Brian, which 3d printer do you have and do you like it? We have a Markforged, Form3, zprinter 450 and a Metal printer in our Lux plant.?
I like the Markforged the best and the zpinter the least Regards, Mark
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Brian Lamb <blamb11@...> wrote:
? I use my 3D printer a lot to test fit things, make fixtures to hold parts for laser engraving¡ all sorts of things. I recently was helping my daughter on her kitchen remodel and she picked a three dimensional tile for her backsplash. It didn¡¯t work so well with the electrical outlet trims, so I used my 3D printer to make extension rings so we could tile up to a straight edge and then put the electrical trim on and have it look right.
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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How about this DIY solution? Ariel 
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I use my 3D printer a lot to test fit things, make fixtures to hold parts for laser engraving¡ all sorts of things. I recently was helping my daughter on her kitchen remodel and she picked a three dimensional tile for her backsplash. It didn¡¯t work so well with the electrical outlet trims, so I used my 3D printer to make extension rings so we could tile up to a straight edge and then put the electrical trim on and have it look right.
Before we installed the tile¡. 
After the tile¡.
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
is it a custom shower drain
No Brian, the angles are very sharp and will cut you :)
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 06:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
Waterjet, laser or wire EDM?
Waterjet.??
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We have been using 3d printing for 15ish years to iterate on designs but thats pretty much it, if we need a precise parts metal needs to be cut, even parts that come off our metal 3d printer are useless unless secondary operations are done with traditional machinery.? Regards, Mark
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
?Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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Mark you are an early adopter,
Not sure there are many people out there 3D printing stuff to get it produced somewhere else, but I like it,
Bill
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Looks like edm with that square corner, not worried about stress crack? Looks tight.? I just went to a presentation where we are installing 5 5axis cell with a robot to to wrangle 4000 tool magazine....tot ?awesome? Regards, Mark
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On Feb 13, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq. <rohrabacher@...> wrote:
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5 axis? machining center? DMG Mori
On 2/13/20 9:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
Waterjet, laser or wire EDM?
On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:33 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
Bill, I may exaggerate a little, but very
little.
It's not just about speedy turnaround of outsourcing
things.? It's the larger transformation I'm taking about.?
If you just a need a simple shaft like Dave showed, OK it's
faster to DIY if you have the machines.? But if you're
designing today, you're no longer confined to think like
they did when that was made -- when everything was designed
for fabrication in three linear axes, low-speed tooling, old
alloys, etc. etc.? ?
In 5 minutes I can design a part that I could send out and
get made from titanium that is literally impossible to do on
lovely old iron.? Those machines don't do even simple curves
in 2D, can't run high rpm tooling, etc.? So Mac can make a
shaft in a few hours that would take me a week to
outsource.? But there's an unlimited number of parts that I
can also get in a week, but that Mac couldn't make from here
to eternity.? ?As soon as you get outside the limited
envelope of old iron, it's game over.
Here's a part that I had made that is very simple by today's
standards.? About 4x4x.5 stainless.? $58.? 48 hr
turnaround.? Try that on the Dave's Rambaudi or Mac's
Omniversal.
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5 axis? machining center? DMG Mori
On 2/13/20 9:30 AM, Brian Lamb wrote:
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Waterjet, laser or wire EDM?
On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:33 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
Bill, I may exaggerate a little, but very
little.
It's not just about speedy turnaround of outsourcing
things.? It's the larger transformation I'm taking about.?
If you just a need a simple shaft like Dave showed, OK it's
faster to DIY if you have the machines.? But if you're
designing today, you're no longer confined to think like
they did when that was made -- when everything was designed
for fabrication in three linear axes, low-speed tooling, old
alloys, etc. etc.? ?
In 5 minutes I can design a part that I could send out and
get made from titanium that is literally impossible to do on
lovely old iron.? Those machines don't do even simple curves
in 2D, can't run high rpm tooling, etc.? So Mac can make a
shaft in a few hours that would take me a week to
outsource.? But there's an unlimited number of parts that I
can also get in a week, but that Mac couldn't make from here
to eternity.? ?As soon as you get outside the limited
envelope of old iron, it's game over.
Here's a part that I had made that is very simple by today's
standards.? About 4x4x.5 stainless.? $58.? 48 hr
turnaround.? Try that on the Dave's Rambaudi or Mac's
Omniversal.
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 10:33 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
Bill, I may exaggerate a little, but very little.
It's not just about speedy turnaround of outsourcing things.? It's the larger transformation I'm taking about.? If you just a need a simple shaft like Dave showed, OK it's faster to DIY if you have the machines.? But if you're designing today, you're no longer confined to think like they did when that was made -- when everything was designed for fabrication in three linear axes, low-speed tooling, old alloys, etc. etc.? ?
In 5 minutes I can design a part that I could send out and get made from titanium that is literally impossible to do on lovely old iron.? Those machines don't do even simple curves in 2D, can't run high rpm tooling, etc.? So Mac can make a shaft in a few hours that would take me a week to outsource.? But there's an unlimited number of parts that I can also get in a week, but that Mac couldn't make from here to eternity.? ?As soon as you get outside the limited envelope of old iron, it's game over.
Here's a part that I had made that is very simple by today's standards.? About 4x4x.5 stainless.? $58.? 48 hr turnaround.? Try that on the Dave's Rambaudi or Mac's Omniversal.
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Bill, I may exaggerate a little, but very little. It's not just about speedy turnaround of outsourcing things.? It's the larger transformation I'm taking about.? If you just a need a simple shaft like Dave showed, OK it's faster to DIY if you have the machines.? But if you're designing today, you're no longer confined to think like they did when that was made -- when everything was designed for fabrication in three linear axes, low-speed tooling, old alloys, etc. etc.? ? In 5 minutes I can design a part that I could send out and get made from titanium that is literally impossible to do on lovely old iron.? Those machines don't do even simple curves in 2D, can't run high rpm tooling, etc.? So Mac can make a shaft in a few hours that would take me a week to outsource.? But there's an unlimited number of parts that I can also get in a week, but that Mac couldn't make from here to eternity.? ?As soon as you get outside the limited envelope of old iron, it's game over. Here's a part that I had made that is very simple by today's standards.? About 4x4x.5 stainless.? $58.? 48 hr turnaround.? Try that on the Dave's Rambaudi or Mac's Omniversal. 
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I have a sharkguard on my Knapp.? OK but not as handy as an overhead.? The guard itself is very nicely made and the company is great to deal with.? I mucked mine up and Sharkguard sent me parts and pieces to repair mine for free.? The guard rides on the table
so the crosscut fence will interfere unless you put an L shaped end on your fence about 1" high.? That way the fence clears the knobs and the end sneaks under the guard.? The 4" port needs a blast gate to slow down the velocity for some cuts but that depends
on your DC impeller.? Dave
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I checked out their website. Pretty basic guard, but the 4" hose right above the blade looks like it should do well on dust collection.? Looks like they use a 3D printer to form dust shroud to maximize collection area. Clever idea?
Not sure how sturdy splitter/mount is but may be worth a look. At
$140,?it's very inexpensive.?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020, 12:48 PM Mark Foster < mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
Dave,
Do you have any photos of the Shark Guard on your KF700? I am leaning that way for my KF.
Mark Foster?
I had a Shark Guard on my KF before I sold the saw.? I agree it was very nice.
Dave Davies
I bought a Shark Guard for my old Delta a couple of years ago.? It was a huge improvement over what came from the factory.? I sent the guy who made it an email to see if he¡¯s interested in talking to you guys.? Or maybe he only reps them, I don¡¯t know, but
he replied that he is interested.? Once I get his name and info I¡¯ll post it here.
Johnny
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Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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Re: Radial Drill Press purchase
I have an 1100 series floor standing Walker Turner with auto down feed made in 1951. I have been using it for almost 40 years on both wood and metal. After all that time the top bearing went out. I found Walker Turner Serviced Machines in CT has the special bearing reproduced so I am in the process of restoring it (stripped and repaint) and expect my kids to get another 70 years of service out of it.
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Re: Felder cart for outrigger and fence, need the footprint dimensions
Thank you! This is very helpful.
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On 2/12/20 9:16 PM, mark thomas wrote: ast week I parted way with one of these, which brought tears: I feel your pain
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 7:16 PM, mark thomas < murkyd@...> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 07:59 AM, Bill James wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what kind of metal/alu pieces do make with your milling machines?
I make parts to fix machines that I never use ;-)? ?Sometimes I make "art".? ?Some of us really just love the machines.? ?But if you want parts more than you want to own machines, the future (which is pretty much here now) is to software design the part, 3D print prototype if needed, submit drawing to an online place, and then open the box UPS left on your doorstep a few days later.? Last week I parted way with one of these, which brought tears: <Screen Shot 2020-02-12 at 6.05.15 PM.png>
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Re: Felder cart for outrigger and fence, need the footprint dimensions
I have a K500 and I store it under the table as Mark has done but on the side on the main cast iron where you have the rip bar. That is to the left and to the back of where Mark's cart is on the pictures.
Bill
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Really beautiful machines in this thread,
I somewhat agree with 3d printing and shipping part via UPS, but I am gonna disagree on the timing. I believe we are farther away to this state than you said, but what do I know, I do not have a crystal ball :). If I had one, I would play the stock market every day and even the forex during the night.
Bill
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