Re: Radial Drill Press purchase
Joel ,? If your using for wood than will be jolly ok they fall apart with metal, also with so many moving parts and angles and the such it is hard to keep everything in position. For the word stuff they can solve the problem. Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 4:39 PM, joelgelman via Groups.Io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
?My application is to drill holes in wood and only wood. ?On the recent re-paint red flag comment, I noted that the youtube video was from 2017 and so it seems the the machine was painted in 2017 or prior to that, but the machine was just recently for sale.
A little video of the similar machine at 4:38
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My application is to drill holes in wood and only wood. ?On the recent re-paint red flag comment, I noted that the youtube video was from 2017 and so it seems the the machine was painted in 2017 or prior to that, but the machine was just recently for sale.
A little video of the similar machine at 4:38
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Re: Radial Drill Press purchase
I grew up in Cincinnati and was friends with some of the leBlond clan, Cincinnati incorporated (Cincinnati shaper) and Milacron - I have seen some really large machine tools, Cincinnati is flooded with them, at least they were
Regards, Mark
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 4:35 PM, Bill James via Groups.Io <xxrb2010@...> wrote:
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WTF, sorry, Did not know that even exist, I would have said photoshopped picture, but I found the following pictures on practical machinist and there are tons of them other there. I also remember the motto: bring the tool to the workpiece and not the way around. I see now that this motto apply to more than a Festool domino :)    Bill
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Micheal,? I am a craftsman and work in all media.
Couple famous radial picture of web. I like the picture of the large radial with the small probably 18¡± post and 6¡¯ arm ?mine is 1/2 the size 10¡± x 3¡¯. The big one is probably 30¡± post and 15¡¯ travel . You see the big ones when you get around ship yards. Mac,,,
  Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Michael Garrison Stuber <mtgstuber@...> wrote:
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Perhaps Mark is using his for wood, while you using them on
metal?
On a semi-related note, I absolutely adore my 1950's DeWalt GA
Radial Saw.? Tuned properly, treated well, and equipped with the
right blade, a well-built radial saw can provide consistent,
repeatable, and accurate results.? That said, there are a lot of
crappy radial saws out there should be melted down.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
On 2/12/2020 12:51 PM, mac campshure
via Groups.Io wrote:
I had one ?in 70¡¯s with a gear drive saw on it and in 90 ¡®s had
one with drill head ?and hated both of them.
Mac,,,
Designing
and building for 47 years
?I have one and love it.
Mark
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Michael Garrison Stuber
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Re: Radial Drill Press purchase
Perhaps Mark is using his for wood, while you using them on
metal?
On a semi-related note, I absolutely adore my 1950's DeWalt GA
Radial Saw.? Tuned properly, treated well, and equipped with the
right blade, a well-built radial saw can provide consistent,
repeatable, and accurate results.? That said, there are a lot of
crappy radial saws out there should be melted down.
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
On 2/12/2020 12:51 PM, mac campshure
via Groups.Io wrote:
I had one ?in 70¡¯s with a gear drive saw on it and in 90 ¡®s had
one with drill head ?and hated both of them.
Mac,,,
Designing
and building for 47 years
?I have one and love it.
Mark
--
Michael Garrison Stuber
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I had one ?in 70¡¯s with a gear drive saw on it and in 90 ¡®s had one with drill head ?and hated both of them. Mac,,, Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mark Foster <mfsta2lt@...> wrote:
?I have one and love it.
Mark
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Dave,
Do you have any photos of the Shark Guard on your KF700? I am leaning that way for my KF.
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I had a Shark Guard on my KF before I sold the saw.? I agree it was very nice. Dave Davies I bought a Shark Guard for my old Delta a couple of years ago.? It was a huge improvement over what came from the factory.? I sent the guy who made it an email to see if he¡¯s interested in talking to you guys.? Or maybe he only reps them, I don¡¯t know, but he replied that he is interested.? Once I get his name and info I¡¯ll post it here.
Johnny
-- Dave & Marie Davies
318-219-7868
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I have one and love it.
Mark
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Joel,? Sorry to say this? Your link is what is called a ram drill press. They are mores taper and not a mill in any way. Just a glorified drill press with way to many things going on to be reliable. They also put a saw on ram as a radial arm saw agin to much happening to be reliable. Here is a pick off the net of my Japanese azuma ?also not a mill just A drill press. For tapping reaming and drilling larger stuff.
martin/campshure/co/llc Designing and building for 47 years
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 12:25 PM, joelgelman via Groups.Io <joelgelman@...> wrote:
?I became interested in a better drill press back in 2013. ?I received information here about the RF-45 and many possible modifications. I came close to buying it, but something just did not seem right for a few reasons, and I ended up with a new Powermatic. ?I have not really been too happy with it. ?There were a couple of comments about vintage radial drill presses, but I did not want one of those beat up units in poor condition that needed TLC big time as I am not skilled in total restoration. ?This one was the best one I have seen
This past week I found a Rockwell Radial drill press that seemed to be in great shape, similar to the above. ?I just purchased it today
I am not sure if it is 110v or 220 etc but I can work with either and single or 3 phase. ?When I get it, I will consider what would be the best motor setup, but it seems like the ideal would be forward and reverse and the ability to change speeds over a wide range without changing belts. ?I suppose there are modifications that can be made. ?I saw someone changed the column raising to power feed.
Not sure how that works. If I understand, the width is around 34 inches or so and the depth is 48 inches. ?That will allow it to fit where my Powermatic is. ?To the left is a butcher block work bench, and I am thinking I can set the drill press table flush with that to increase my work surface area. ?I will make an accessory table and fence with stops, and slots to accommodate the Automaxx clamps ?I like the idea of a fixed height table.
Anyhow, I think for me this is better than the drill mills for a woodworking application. ?
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Nice Drill press. It¡¯s 220V single phase according to the listing. I would swap out a 220V three phase motor of 1 to 2hp and put a VFD on it. then put the front belt in the middle position and you should be able to use the VFD for slow to fast.
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On Feb 12, 2020, at 11:24 AM, joelgelman via Groups.Io < joelgelman@...> wrote:
I became interested in a better drill press back in 2013. ?I received information here about the RF-45 and many possible modifications. I came close to buying it, but something just did not seem right for a few reasons, and I ended up with a new Powermatic. ?I have not really been too happy with it. ?There were a couple of comments about vintage radial drill presses, but I did not want one of those beat up units in poor condition that needed TLC big time as I am not skilled in total restoration. ?This one was the best one I have seen
This past week I found a Rockwell Radial drill press that seemed to be in great shape, similar to the above. ?I just purchased it today
I am not sure if it is 110v or 220 etc but I can work with either and single or 3 phase. ?When I get it, I will consider what would be the best motor setup, but it seems like the ideal would be forward and reverse and the ability to change speeds over a wide range without changing belts. ?I suppose there are modifications that can be made. ?I saw someone changed the column raising to power feed.
Not sure how that works. If I understand, the width is around 34 inches or so and the depth is 48 inches. ?That will allow it to fit where my Powermatic is. ?To the left is a butcher block work bench, and I am thinking I can set the drill press table flush with that to increase my work surface area. ?I will make an accessory table and fence with stops, and slots to accommodate the Automaxx clamps ?I like the idea of a fixed height table.
Anyhow, I think for me this is better than the drill mills for a woodworking application. ?
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Those are great if you do a lot of odd compound angles and want deep reach. As Cliff notes, it's not very rigid with respect to what steel drilling requires, but plenty rigid for wood and small diameter metal.? Also the spindle diameter is pretty small and it's common that the spindles have significant runout (the head/spindle assembly is common to a zillion Walker Turner/Rockwell models)? ?
There were quite a lot of those made.? A decade or so ago there'd be multiple of those on eBay at any given time, but they seemed to have become pretty scarce in recent years.? However, some of this traffic seems to have moved back to craiglist too.? Back in the heyday I saw dozens in shops and auctions, and they were rarely super beat up.? It seems like a lot of metal shops had them, but didn't use them much because for straight drilling other drill presses were better (more rigid, more powerful)
That one seems in fine shape, but I would note that a recent re-paint is a red flag.? You can see the over-spray on the floor.? And of course these didn't come in white -- machine gray only.? ?There are some sellers who just spray everything to make it shiny, but often recently painted means it looked too crappy to sell at top dollar.? But there's very little in a simple old pulley-driven drill presses anyway.? If the bearings are crappy, it's easy to replace.? The main issue is if the spindle is bent slightly and runout is lousy.
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I have one? it's a great machine. you will really like it.
I pulled the? 3 phase half horse motor off and replaced it with a
220? Reversible? full horse.? I put on a drum switch by passing
the stock one.
Then off to a bike store for a disk brake and caliper set.? I
mounted that to the motor pulley and not I have a brake on a
reversible radial DP.
Then I wanted to move it ?so I got some heavy casters and?
mounted them and cut the legs to accommodate.
The? height adjustment is a bit of a PITA so I cheated. I built a
plywood box that goes on the table to give me different heights.?
the? drill is no good for drilling steel.? It is no where near
rigid enough. For that I have a full size vertical knee mill.
ONE SAFETY ISSUE I DISCOVERED. my former drill was an old
walker turner.? The table is way smaller.?? The column in the back
would stop most things from spinning out of control if they got
away from me.?? NOT SO WITH THE RADIAL DRILL.? that sucker will
grab? the work? spin it like who dun it and whack you? brutally
hard in the torso or worse? take it on a ripping tear through your
flesh. .? Not a good moment.? DAMHIKT? Never take a water bottle
to a sword fight.
I wondered how I missed that.? The answer was I'd never run a
radial drill before so I lacked the ingrained? safe habits? that I
have for most every other machine.
On 2/12/20 1:24 PM, joelgelman via
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I became interested in a better drill press back in 2013. ?I
received information here about the RF-45 and many possible
modifications. I came close to buying it, but something just did
not seem right for a few reasons, and I ended up with a new
Powermatic. ?I have not really been too happy with it. ?There were
a couple of comments about vintage radial drill presses, but I did
not want one of those beat up units in poor condition that needed
TLC big time as I am not skilled in total restoration. ?This one
was the best one I have seen
This past week I found a Rockwell Radial drill press that seemed
to be in great shape, similar to the above. ?I just purchased it
today
I am not sure if it is 110v or 220 etc but I can work with either
and single or 3 phase. ?When I get it, I will consider what would
be the best motor setup, but it seems like the ideal would be
forward and reverse and the ability to change speeds over a wide
range without changing belts. ?I suppose there are modifications
that can be made. ?I saw someone changed the column raising to
power feed.
Not sure how that works. If I understand, the width is around 34
inches or so and the depth is 48 inches. ?That will allow it to
fit where my Powermatic is. ?To the left is a butcher block work
bench, and I am thinking I can set the drill press table flush
with that to increase my work surface area. ?I will make an
accessory table and fence with stops, and slots to accommodate the
Automaxx clamps ?I like the idea of a fixed height table.
Anyhow, I think for me this is better than the drill mills for a
woodworking application. ?
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Radial Drill Press purchase
I became interested in a better drill press back in 2013. ?I received information here about the RF-45 and many possible modifications. I came close to buying it, but something just did not seem right for a few reasons, and I ended up with a new Powermatic. ?I have not really been too happy with it. ?There were a couple of comments about vintage radial drill presses, but I did not want one of those beat up units in poor condition that needed TLC big time as I am not skilled in total restoration. ?This one was the best one I have seen
This past week I found a Rockwell Radial drill press that seemed to be in great shape, similar to the above. ?I just purchased it today
I am not sure if it is 110v or 220 etc but I can work with either and single or 3 phase. ?When I get it, I will consider what would be the best motor setup, but it seems like the ideal would be forward and reverse and the ability to change speeds over a wide range without changing belts. ?I suppose there are modifications that can be made. ?I saw someone changed the column raising to power feed.
Not sure how that works. If I understand, the width is around 34 inches or so and the depth is 48 inches. ?That will allow it to fit where my Powermatic is. ?To the left is a butcher block work bench, and I am thinking I can set the drill press table flush with that to increase my work surface area. ?I will make an accessory table and fence with stops, and slots to accommodate the Automaxx clamps ?I like the idea of a fixed height table.
Anyhow, I think for me this is better than the drill mills for a woodworking application. ?
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Thanks. I will give them a call next week. I have been looking at it for two years it was cheaper last year. I don¡¯t understand why they are all so expensive. I don¡¯t think any of them work as good as the price. Doug
On Tuesday, February 11, 2020, 07:10:24 PM CST, Robert Johnson <woodewe@...> wrote:
Regarding the Harvey S-12 Blade Guard, if that Harvey is the same as this Harvey,? the company that bought out Bridge City Tool Works, contact Jack Xu, Harvey Owner at:
Our new corporate office location is:
Bridge City Tool Works
Harvey Industries International DBA Harvey Industries
10830 Ada Ave.
Montclair, CA 91763
(800) 253-3332
Our manufacturing facility is located in Nanjing, China.
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Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I have the same machine and have spent a lot of time thinking about dust collection for it - generally landing on your approach of having a drop come down above the table. I really like your solution with the rotating wye.
Unfortunately my shop ceiling is about 7' so I don't have the ability to do that. Instead I ended up getting a large mobile dust collector and I have to move the hose (and/or the DC) whenever I switch functions. It's very annoying but works so far.
You should also know I choked on my coffee when you mentioned "blast gates must be kept closed when not in use or the shop will smell like a ?sheep pen".
Tim
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Re: Felder silent power cutterhead vs byrd or Laguna shellical
Hi Imran, I think I am semi commercial - I have a full time job not related to woodworking/furniture making. I do use my machines after days work and I spend most of my weekends in the workshop.
When I had my Tersa I needed to turn/replace the one of the knives every 4 months - I had less workload back then, the Tersa cutter block on your Dual51 is probably 4 knives, the planer combo I had only had 3 knives, 4 is definitely better than 3... with Tersa blades you can get different grades of blades, I always buy the cheapest pack and just replace when needed, maybe your blade is better than the one I have been using.
with Felders Silence cutterblock, there are more knives to check+replace compare to a Tersa, it was also slower in terms of changing knives - not an issue if you are a hobbyist. the spiral cutter block is definitely quieter than a Tersa. my Tersa was a 410mm wide.?
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Re: Good first shaper bit
Thanks for the advice. I probably would start with a Spiral Cutter just because template work and flush cutting is always something I do from time to time and some pieces require several passes on my router that would be a much easier task on the shaper. It is definitely not like buying a 50 dollar router bit. You need to be sure you need this bit because it can get to more costly than the machine itself.
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Mine won't tilt so it is just a straight up and down shaper.
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I don't have one yet but my wife wants me to get one after seeing me feed some 10 foot cedar to strip down to 1/4 inch for her Stand Up Paddle Board I am building for her. From her angle it looked like my fingers were getting very close to the blade but I was staying well away. But I am all for getting the feeder. It will give me a much smoother cleaner cut on log boards anyway.
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Mark Foster
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