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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
I haven't used discourse, but i've used similar software. Discourse has an import infrastructure, and someone wrote a yahoo groups importer (), and relies on an existing export script that looks reasonable. The infrastructure does not look hard to or work with at a glance. A few random things: 1. User email address export requires admin privileges to the yahoo group, w but that's not necessary until the very end (IE we should be able to test the output and be happy with it, but the email addresses assigned during import will be fake. Yahoo strips them from the API) 2. Discourse does not allow files to be uploaded/attached outside of posts. That works fine for photos.? ?But it looks like we have an entire set of files/folders.? Those would either have to be attached to a discourse post, or we'd need a shared drive/dropbox/etc folder or something if we wanted more hierarchical organization. Discourse does not allow nesting (it's deliberately flat threading), etc. It also doesn't look hard to do something like "one post per folder" with the files attached.?? On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Edward Mazuronis egmiii@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSame here. Hands down the highest quality contributors I¡¯ve ever encountered in a forum. John and Brian, Thanks for keeping it alive for so long.? I¡¯d hate to see a more modern forum bring in users that lower the quality of content or discourage the current contributors from pitching in. In my limited experience, it seems like the high barrier to entry here filters out the troublemakers. But I also see a ton of value in the discussions that have taken place, yet they are brutally difficult to search/traverse compared to modern forums, hence the desire to move forward if a low/zero cost option is available.? On Jan 9, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Bellsouth dohertyj@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDan, was recommended as a viable forum platform. Looks like a self contained Docker install. Have you used it before, and could the Yahoo data be migrated to discourse easily? I might volunteer to host the site if there is widespread support to move. Spoke with Comcast on a 150/20 business line for hosting, but I'm not sure what level of traffic to expect.? On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Daniel Berlin dan@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýTime fly's (pun intended) when your having fun John. With Mr. Trump squashing Net Neutrality on your side of the border the internet may get very interesting /scary. Only time will tell and how long free will stay free.? John JMK Services -------- Original message -------- From: "'John Renzetti' jrenzetti1@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2018-01-09 2:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: RE: [felder-woodworking] Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking? Hello Mark, While I don¡¯t post much since by the time I get a look at a question a bunch of others have already answered. But I usually visit the forum every day, check the messages and along with Brian will do the housekeeping. You don¡¯t see that but the results are there is no spam messages that get through. Hard to believe we¡¯ve been doing this for 17 going on 18yrs. ? Take care, John Renzetti ? From: felder-woodworking@... [mailto:felder-woodworking@...] ?
? I could have been more specific in my first post.?The reason groups.io has some popularity for former Yahoo groups is that it has a free version that meets many small forum needs, and it has tools to automate conversion from Yahoo.? ?So it holds the potential to be easy to convert, and a better (not best) forum. ? Certainly groups.io is not as sexy as discourse.org, but the latter doesn't meet the criteria of simple and free. ? I was curious if the forum owner was thinking about these things, and it seems that's been answered -- the forum owner doesn't visit the forum ;-) ? Mark ? |
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHello Mark, While I don¡¯t post much since by the time I get a look at a question a bunch of others have already answered. But I usually visit the forum every day, check the messages and along with Brian will do the housekeeping. You don¡¯t see that but the results are there is no spam messages that get through. Hard to believe we¡¯ve been doing this for 17 going on 18yrs. ? Take care, John Renzetti ? From: felder-woodworking@... [mailto:felder-woodworking@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:26 AM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking? ?
? I could have been more specific in my first post.?The reason groups.io has some popularity for former Yahoo groups is that it has a free version that meets many small forum needs, and it has tools to automate conversion from Yahoo.? ?So it holds the potential to be easy to convert, and a better (not best) forum. ? Certainly groups.io is not as sexy as discourse.org, but the latter doesn't meet the criteria of simple and free. ? I was curious if the forum owner was thinking about these things, and it seems that's been answered -- the forum owner doesn't visit the forum ;-) ? Mark ? |
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
Okay, so, i was hoping someone else might volunteer, but i guess i'll do it :) Yahoo groups has a JSON API that can be used to retrieve all the data (messages, files, photos, etc). It works fine on felder-woodworking. If folks want to move to a place that has a sane import API, i'm happy to do the export and import. If folks want to move to a place that has no import API, i'm also happy to provide a database that has all the data from the group, and someone else (not me!) can use it to build some web or mobile app or something out of the old data so it can be searched/used. This is obviously more annoying (or more awesome, depending on how you use the group :P), but there you go. In case anyone is worried about whether i can get it done, i've moved 3 *very* large? open source projects between different messaging software, bug software, and version control software before, so i've done this kind of thing before. --Dan On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Brian Lamb blamb11@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
Brian,
Just to clarify, I wasn't griping about Yahoo per se.? ?I was just noting that many Yahoo groups are (once again) feeling the itch to get off Yahoo since the Verizon purchase, and some are finding groups.io to be Yahoo-like -- free and almost no admin time required -- and I was just curious if others had noticed or thought about it recently.? ? A truly free and painless conversion to a better platform is indeed not super likely.. but maybe the options are actually getting better... Mark ?? |
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThere have been several other attempts at creating another Felder group, none of which survived. This all stated back with eGroups in about 1999, and it was purchased/absorbed by Yahoo in maybe 2000 or 2001 if I remember correctly.On Jan 9, 2018, at 10:51 AM, jmkserv jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWelcome, and thanks for the info about SMF. I¡¯m not that up on all of this, but free sounds good. Does anyone more techie than I understand if this needs a server or some sort of website to run? I can see the software maybe being free, but do you have to pay for bandwidth, storage space, servers and such?This whole gripe session about Yahoo comes up a couple times a year, and while I know Yahoo can be a pain in the ass, it has worked in the past and it¡¯s free, and it doesn¡¯t come at a huge time investment for me or John to manage¡ and yet it has the ability to be moderated so we aren¡¯t full of spam and other BS. Most of the other options I have seen over the years are costly, most start at $100 a month and require huge amounts of time invested to run on a daily basis, hence of zero interest for me. On Jan 9, 2018, at 10:24 AM, pz8w9c@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI think you have us mixed up with a dead forum started by a missing in action Festool Forum member named Sitting Elf/Frank. This group started before the original Festool forum was even in existence. He tried to started a completely new forum that didn't attract anybody with any Felder knowledge.? John JMK Services -------- Original message -------- From: "pz8w9c@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2018-01-09 12:24 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking? Hello,? I am new to the Felder Woodworking Group and I came across this conversation.? It is interesting that to find this group originally I was using the Festool Owners Group.? They use a product that is open source called Simple Machine Forum (SMF) to manage their group, just a thought.?? Anyway, I have just purchase a Hammer A3-26 Jointer/Planar unit and waiting the delivery in the near future.? My goal is to use the Felder-Woodworking Owners Group to gather tips and tricks on how the product works and nuances that users have come across the improve on the experience.? I am not new to woodworking as I have been a hobbyist/DIY person for 27 years and appreciate good tools and machinery.? The Felder product line intrigued me because it advertised precision and quality above price.? I value the idea that with better tools, what you create in the woodshop comes out better.? Price is always something that each user must balance with quality and precision.? So I will continue to check out the group for help along the way. Regards, Chuck? ? ?
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
Hello,? I am new to the Felder Woodworking Group and I came across this conversation.? It is interesting that to find this group originally I was using the Festool Owners Group.? They use a product that is open source called Simple Machine Forum (SMF) to manage their group, just a thought.??
Anyway, I have just purchase a Hammer A3-26 Jointer/Planar unit and waiting the delivery in the near future.? My goal is to use the Felder-Woodworking Owners Group to gather tips and tricks on how the product works and nuances that users have come across the improve on the experience.? I am not new to woodworking as I have been a hobbyist/DIY person for 27 years and appreciate good tools and machinery.? The Felder product line intrigued me because it advertised precision and quality above price.? I value the idea that with better tools, what you create in the woodshop comes out better.? Price is always something that each user must balance with quality and precision.? So I will continue to check out the group for help along the way. Regards, Chuck? ? ? |
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhich Facebook group did you like? I'm not particularly active on the social side of that platform, but have enjoyed the few groups I've joined.? On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Jason Holtz jholtzy@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
alain pilon
As part of my work, I have done -a lot- of data migrations and over 80% of the time, these are useless: the old data is outdated or its value overestimated by the clients. For example, in the case of this forum, I have a hard time giving any value to the archives because in all my Felder/Hammer googling, it never came up in the search results. And lets be frank: if you dont show up in Google results, you dont exist for people who dont know where to look at. Maybe my keywords were too broad but they are still a good sample of what a new comer would use. That being said, I am not proposing myself to do the switch to Discourse. A move to is a much easier transition, I just wanted to show what is possible. Also, data migration is not mandatory to switch to another forum: the old threads will still exist, nothing is deleted. It is just that new content is created elsewhere and with Google giving importance to content creation date, the new forum home would quickly rise in the search results. On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 12:25 AM, murkyd@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
I certainly didn't intend to start a? debate what's the "best" forum software.? As John says, a key issue is the energy to convert and be responsible as new owner (presumably not Renzetti).
I could have been more specific in my first post.?The reason groups.io has some popularity for former Yahoo groups is that it has a free version that meets many small forum needs, and it has tools to automate conversion from Yahoo.? ?So it holds the potential to be easy to convert, and a better (not best) forum. Certainly groups.io is not as sexy as discourse.org, but the latter doesn't meet the criteria of simple and free. I was curious if the forum owner was thinking about these things, and it seems that's been answered -- the forum owner doesn't visit the forum ;-) Mark ? |
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe question is and always has been who is going to be one to transfer all the information from one forum to another and what does it cost. Currently every thing is on Yahoo and doesn't cost a dime. Many of us that have been on the forum for a fair number of years don't have too many issues getting info. Brian has been great at moderating and taking care of the operations and I haven't heard of anyone else stepping up to give him a hand. If you're up to the task state your proposal.? John JMK Services -------- Original message -------- From: "alain pilon alain.pilon@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2018-01-08 10:28 PM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking? Hi all (first time poster, soon to be Hammer owner c3-31), I work as a web developer and spend an incredible amount of time each day in forums for job related tasks. Google and Yahoo groups are at the very bottom of the list. Pretty much anything is better. The problem is that they use the most user friendly of all interfaces: emails. While they make search in archive a pain, yield poor results in google search, make it impossible to post images or format text, it is hard to beat the convenience of emails. If there is a strong willingness to switch, may I suggest?? Maybe it is a little too advanced for none techies, but this forum software is state of the art in the field of forum management. I have setup a few of these in the past and everyone was happy in the end: it is ridiculously fast, looks gorgeous and make it very easy to link from one post to another, thus making it very easy to use old posts as references. On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Jason Holtz jholtzy@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
alain pilon
Hi all (first time poster, soon to be Hammer owner c3-31), I work as a web developer and spend an incredible amount of time each day in forums for job related tasks. Google and Yahoo groups are at the very bottom of the list. Pretty much anything is better. The problem is that they use the most user friendly of all interfaces: emails. While they make search in archive a pain, yield poor results in google search, make it impossible to post images or format text, it is hard to beat the convenience of emails. If there is a strong willingness to switch, may I suggest?? Maybe it is a little too advanced for none techies, but this forum software is state of the art in the field of forum management. I have setup a few of these in the past and everyone was happy in the end: it is ridiculously fast, looks gorgeous and make it very easy to link from one post to another, thus making it very easy to use old posts as references. On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Jason Holtz jholtzy@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: groups.io for Felder Woodworking?
I am on a and I find its interface a little clunky. I find the google groups format to much better. Of all the groups I participate in, dare I say the facebook group is the best. Its the easiest to navigate, load photos, and interact with on a regular basis. A bunch of us are already there, may as well form a group. I don't know how one would deal with the archive of files and photos, etc. though. Jason Holtz J. Holtz Furniture 3307 Snelling Ave. South Minneapolis, MN 55406 612 432-2765 |
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