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Re: Morso guillotine question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThey make a nice clean cut.? I had a foot operated pull saw that was very nice under the table old old.? Also an over the table pull saw fixed at 45 with air clamps that was great for stoping glass German of course. martin/campshure/co/llc 608-824-0023?fax Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:10 PM, patrick walsh pwalsh651@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Morso guillotine question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe California air 4hp looks like a nice unit.? My Ingersal Rand 2 stage cast iron heads claps a little when it is 40 ?or under in the Shop which is a lot of the time around here but it is in an industrial sight so nobody cares if it is load. If it was at my house my wife would pam martin/campshure/co/llc 608-824-0023?fax Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:08 PM, patrick walsh pwalsh651@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Morso guillotine question
patrick walsh
On the Morso topic Mac you make a good argument for a manual unit as apposed to pneumatic. I did not even think of that. I clearly thought of the guillotine affect just not combined with air.
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On Sunday, February 5, 2017, patrick walsh <pwalsh651@...> wrote: I figured all this stuff took next to no air. My guess is most just reqire a quick shot of air then the air cylinders hold the pressure. |
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Re: Morso guillotine question
patrick walsh
I figured all this stuff took next to no air. My guess is most just reqire a quick shot of air then the air cylinders hold the pressure.
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The exception may be the filter cleaning option for the RL units. The tool or machine lover in me is tempted by a old iron 2 stage big horepower compressor, or new. On the other hand. I dont think i need that and a whisper quiet California air unit is probbaly all i need and my ears and "DOGS" will greatly appreciate it. Seems like the 4hr 20 gallon California Air?unit is more than enough for me. On Sunday, February 5, 2017, mac campshure mac512002@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Morso guillotine question
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have back in the 70 s owned a Danish pneumatic chopper . To actuate it had 2 switches one on either side of the machine as long as all worked it was scary but fine but every ounce in a while a micro would stick and it would start slamming up and down we are talking about ?two 8" long knifes coming down at 45 degree shear cut it still make s my butt pucker to this day. ? Air clamps take little of nothing. Any thing that will blast out air continuously is going to require mor cfm.? Dave Kumm has some nice pneumatic blast gates made ?in WI maybe he can chime in. Mac,,, martin/campshure/co/llc 608-824-0023?fax Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:35 PM, apbt1976@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Morso guillotine question
Anyone ever use one for beaded face frames. If so i have a few questions before i take a long drive and or waste my time and money. I was also going to start a pneumatic blast gate topic. The more important issue at the moment is the Morso machine but why clog up the forum with two threads. We all get these emails so im sure the thread will get read top to bottom by most. Anyone use the pnuematic blast gates and have any thoughts to offer. Also inwould like to get my single phase RL setup to remote start or some kind or setup so im not walking back and forth across my shop all day. Felder has auto start units for single phase machines now. I feel like a read something negative about them recently though? The pneumatic blast gate question is inline with my last thread asking about plumbing air lines. I started thinking long and hard about my future air needs with regard CFM and not over or under sizing my lines or compressor.? Long term i could see the use for air as goes. Air clamps, nail guns, blast gates, filter cleaning of the RL. I will also add a brand new Martin slider TS and shaper to my shop, maybe a widebelt. Im not sure any of these machines need or can be outfited to air. Like if i get the Martin T75 Prex and i get the lubrication function for cutting metal does that operate off compressed air? If so what kind of PSI and CFM is required. Even the Morso machine can be had with a pneumatic option.? |
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Mirka Ceros the whole kit
Cliff
I got a Mirka a while back when I restored my large living room. It was great. I've used it a lot since.
I did the gorilla hose thing to make the power cord and vacuum hose all one unit and that is a real improvement. Too bad they didn't make them unified at design. But it's still a bear to put away The hose has to be coiled and there's nothing on the vacuum unit that is designed to accommodate the hose and sander head. I never liked the transformer location because of the on off switch location. It's as if these parts were all brought together from different suppliers with nary a thought about integration. YA gotta reach around back and fiddle with the transformer switch, then to the front for the main switch. Any one figured out how to bring it all together into a smoother unit with the switches all facing the front side a place to coil the hose and a rest for the power head? I know, it'll be crickets. |
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Re: For Sale: FY 2000, KF700; AD731; FB540; Oneida DC - Fresno, CA
I have a 10MB zip file with scans of the factory spec sheets showing specs and all included accessories. The zip file also includes photos of all equipment except for the D/C. Please email me at pgopinath AT comcast DOT net and I will be happy to share this.
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Re: Dust Extraction
Steven, I went with a woodman600 ? Probably made in Asia, looks simular to a UK? Axminster Industrial Series ST-635 Dual Drum SanderMy main reason for buying it was a rush job has come in to supply 1200 meters of traditional mouldings in tulip wood and sipo, so need to speed things up and my normal sander "my dear wife" would not be able to cope. Jonathan Samways Fine Interior Woodwork On 4 Feb 2017 19:37, "S L ayesurely@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@
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Re: Dust Extraction
Jonathan, Stephen On 4 Feb 2017 17:11, "jontathan samways jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Dust Extraction
Guy's, I should of mentioned in the original post my extraction is a small Felder AF16.(I have limited power now and in the future my shop will be moved to my olive farm which is off grid, so even less power)? My main line is approximately 6 meters long ?,and the sander will be on the end of it, so I'm thinking of changing that drop from 125 to 160mm and then going with the 2 x 100mm flex that Mac suggested.? Jonathan Samways Fine Interior Woodwork On 4 Feb 2017 17:30, "David Kumm davekumm@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@yahoogroup
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Re: Dust Extraction
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIt also depends on the blower and where you are on the performance curve.? Small collectors run towards the max of their pressure range.? An extra inch added by pipe can drop cfm like a rock while a larger system sees little impact due to the larger diameter or straighter blade impeller.? Flex is a killer for the 2 hp 12" impeller units.? Dave From: felder-woodworking@... on behalf of mac campshure mac512002@... [felder-woodworking]
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 11:01 AM To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Dust Extraction ?
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That's a good point John,that is a standard reply, and i am sure it is meant to be for the highly flexible interior ridged not smooth on the interior like the
more rigid smooth interior stuff.?
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mac campshure 7412 elmwood ave. middleton, wi 53562-3106 608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 46 years
From: "John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking]" To: FOG Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Dust Extraction ?
Mac had mentioned the possible effect that flex had the effect of reducing flow about 10 to 1. Now I believe that is the standard response from ducting designers but in my tests I found very little difference between 6" solid and 6" flex. Now to qualify
the flex I'm using isn't deeply ridged.?
John
JMK Services?
-------- Original message -------- From: "Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking]" Date: 2017-02-04 9:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Dust Extraction ? well the information one would need to calculate anything: air flow in
CFM and the inches of Mercury that your system will draw are not there, so you are going seat of the pants all the way. Anecdotally I can say that I have an RL 160 with 25 feet of 5" Nordfab duct with two 90 degree ells reduced to 10 feet of 5" duct with two more ells reduced to 4" with one 90 degree and then out of the 4" blast gate and then almost 20 feet of 6" spiral flex hose to a shop floor sweep at the end of another 4 feet of steel 4" That's a lot of bends and ducting and spiral flex and the floor sweep still aggressively sucks up everything in its path Meanwhile I have a 4 foot wide drum sander that is marvelously handled by a 4" main off the 6" line and at the end of a length of 10" length of flex hose The reason for the 10 feet of 4" flex is - - - well - - - default. I didn't feel like shortening the hose because I was still unsure of machine placement and now I think I shall just leave it that way. So I say: don't fear the reaper. Put a nice long hunk of flex on it and be willing to trim as needed. On 2/3/2017 3:28 AM, jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking] wrote: > I'm about to hook up a drum sander in my shop. > The two top ports on the drum sander are 100mm > The sander needs to be mobile so tubing needs to be flexible (two pieces of flex both approx 2meters long) > My main duct is 160mm with drops at 125mm. > My question is do I go flexy 125 mm or 100mm to the machine. > Or any other suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: jonathansamways@... > ------------------------------------ > > To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... > > Visit the group web site: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/felder-woodworking > > Visit the FOG photo library at http://photobucket.com/albums/a88/Fogpics/ > > FOG Amazon link: - Support the FOG with purchases at Amazon. > http://tinyurl.com/ygdb5q > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > > > |
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Re: Dust Extraction
That's a good point John,that is a standard reply, and i am sure it is meant to be for the highly flexible interior ridged not smooth on the interior like the more rigid smooth interior stuff.? ? martin/campshure/co/llc mac campshure 7412 elmwood ave. middleton, wi 53562-3106 608-332-2330 cell 608-824-0023 fax
Designing and building for 46 years From: "John jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking]" To: FOG Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Dust Extraction
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Mac had mentioned the possible effect that flex had the effect of reducing flow about 10 to 1. Now I believe that is the standard response from ducting designers but in my tests I found very little difference between 6" solid and 6" flex. Now to qualify the flex I'm using isn't deeply ridged.? John JMK Services? -------- Original message -------- From: "Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking]" Date: 2017-02-04 9:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Dust Extraction ? well the information one would need to calculate anything: air flow in
CFM and the inches of Mercury that your system will draw are not there, so you are going seat of the pants all the way. Anecdotally I can say that I have an RL 160 with 25 feet of 5" Nordfab duct with two 90 degree ells reduced to 10 feet of 5" duct with two more ells reduced to 4" with one 90 degree and then out of the 4" blast gate and then almost 20 feet of 6" spiral flex hose to a shop floor sweep at the end of another 4 feet of steel 4" That's a lot of bends and ducting and spiral flex and the floor sweep still aggressively sucks up everything in its path Meanwhile I have a 4 foot wide drum sander that is marvelously handled by a 4" main off the 6" line and at the end of a length of 10" length of flex hose The reason for the 10 feet of 4" flex is - - - well - - - default. I didn't feel like shortening the hose because I was still unsure of machine placement and now I think I shall just leave it that way. So I say: don't fear the reaper. Put a nice long hunk of flex on it and be willing to trim as needed. On 2/3/2017 3:28 AM, jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking] wrote: > I'm about to hook up a drum sander in my shop. > The two top ports on the drum sander are 100mm > The sander needs to be mobile so tubing needs to be flexible (two pieces of flex both approx 2meters long) > My main duct is 160mm with drops at 125mm. > My question is do I go flexy 125 mm or 100mm to the machine. > Or any other suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: jonathansamways@... > ------------------------------------ > > To Post a message, send it to: felder-woodworking@... > > Visit the group web site: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/felder-woodworking > > Visit the FOG photo library at http://photobucket.com/albums/a88/Fogpics/ > > FOG Amazon link: - Support the FOG with purchases at Amazon. > http://tinyurl.com/ygdb5q > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > > > |
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Re: Dust Extraction
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMac had mentioned the possible effect that flex had the effect of reducing flow about 10 to 1. Now I believe that is the standard response from ducting designers but in my tests I found very little difference between 6" solid and 6" flex. Now to qualify the flex I'm using isn't deeply ridged.? John JMK Services? -------- Original message --------
From: "Cliff rohrabacher@... [felder-woodworking]" <felder-woodworking@...> Date: 2017-02-04 9:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: felder-woodworking@... Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Dust Extraction ? well the information one would need to calculate anything: air flow in |
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Re: Dust Extraction
Cliff
well the information one would need to calculate anything: air flow in CFM and the inches of Mercury that your system will draw are not there, so you are going seat of the pants all the way.
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Anecdotally I can say that I have an RL 160 with 25 feet of 5" Nordfab duct with two 90 degree ells reduced to 10 feet of 5" duct with two more ells reduced to 4" with one 90 degree and then out of the 4" blast gate and then almost 20 feet of 6" spiral flex hose to a shop floor sweep at the end of another 4 feet of steel 4" That's a lot of bends and ducting and spiral flex and the floor sweep still aggressively sucks up everything in its path Meanwhile I have a 4 foot wide drum sander that is marvelously handled by a 4" main off the 6" line and at the end of a length of 10" length of flex hose The reason for the 10 feet of 4" flex is - - - well - - - default. I didn't feel like shortening the hose because I was still unsure of machine placement and now I think I shall just leave it that way. So I say: don't fear the reaper. Put a nice long hunk of flex on it and be willing to trim as needed. On 2/3/2017 3:28 AM, jonathansamways@... [felder-woodworking] wrote:
I'm about to hook up a drum sander in my shop. |
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Re: Quincy compressors
Cliff
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYah I'm pretty much sold on the Cal Air Unit, I'll prolly have to
go the 4HP 20 gallon model because of the CFM it produces is
closest to my crapsman 5 HP model The original post was that it was all about noise reduction. ?It was after reading about Quincy and Kaeser and Cal Air Tools (here) that I purchased the Cal Air Tools 4HP 20 gal compressor with drier, and quiet operation was a consideration for me. ? |
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Re: Quincy compressors
The original post was that it was all about noise reduction. ?It was after reading about Quincy and Kaeser and Cal Air Tools (here) that I purchased the Cal Air Tools 4HP 20 gal compressor with drier, and quiet operation was a consideration for me. ?
I am very happy with it so far. ?It is very quiet. ?I was thinking around the time of purchase that if I wanted it to be even more quiet I could build an enclosure that offered some soundproofing while allowing appropriate air flow, but now that I have the unit, I have not found the need. |
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Re: Quincy compressors
This 2 hp Quincy compressor seems very much like the unit I have. ?Mine is a 2 hp unit with a 26 gallon vertical tank. ?I bought it direct from the local Qunicy rep because he quoted the best price. ?I was looking for a unit not manufactured in Asia and there are not many in this category. ?The rep told me it was all American made. ?I believe that was true with the exception of the "2 hp" motor which was made in Mexico. ?I've had mine of almost two years so I can't say where they are currently made.
Yesterday I took some some measurements with an app on my iPhone. ?While I can't vouch for the accuracy of these reading here they are: Background noise: ?46 db Running Compressor: ?77 db So far the unit has worked well and I have no complaints. Hope this helps. Scott Long Beach, Ca. |
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Re: Dust Extraction
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI would think 2 100 would meet your requirements ?. Two 125 is quite a bit larger than your a 160 opening. 1 ft of flex equals 10 ft of pipe in resistance.? martin/campshure/co/llc 608-824-0023?fax Designing and building for 47 years On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:46 AM, John Kee jmkserv@... [felder-woodworking] <felder-woodworking@...> wrote:
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Re: Dust Extraction
Hi Jonathan. Based purely on airflow and dust collection considerations and no experience of drum sanders, my thought would be to do all you reasonably can to maximise the airflow/CFM into and through the sander.
Sanders produce fine and easily transportable dust which (a) means you can probably gain some CFM by increasing your vertical duct size at the cost of reducing your vertical airspeed from the normally recommended 3.5 - 4K fpm without running into problems, while (b) the increased inwards airspeed enabled by the extra CFM in the volume surrounding the hood should (depending on how well designed the hood is) help reduce the amount of dust that escapes. 2x 100mm dia hoses combined have about 40% less open area than your 160mm header. 2x 125mm dia is about 40% larger, which would drop your nominal header fpm airspeed by the same %.? Flexibles tend to be more restrictive than smooth ducting - another reason not to skimp on size. If you are running header CFM typical of a well endowed and free flowing/unrestricted 160mm system (genuinely delivering Pentz/CV 1800/RL160 style or better airflows) the 125mm flexibles should be OK - although staying with the 100mm ports will further (and significantly) reduce the fpm/airspeed through them and offset much of the CFM benefit of their 125mm dia. This on top of the above 40% fpm/airspeed reduction as a result of their combined open area being larger than that of your header. i.e. there may be a decent CFM and airspeed gain to to be had by installing 2x 125mm ports on the sander. This will only deliver if the hood isn't restricted elsewhere. i.e. try to estimate the minimum open area in the hood, and ensure that it's larger than your 2x 125mm ports before doing anything. I have a roughly 8ft length of 125mm flexible lifting vertically to a 160mm Pentz powered header drawing through a pretty restrictive roughly 600mm length of 100mm flex attached to the dust chute inside my K3 Perform saw cabinet - which still lifts everything except the larger offcuts that slip down into the chute just fine. i.e. i'd prefer to eliminate the 100mm hose and enlarge the connection to the chute for better flow, but it's not easily done because space is very tight. A sander is different, in that while it's not going to have to lift offcuts it probably would benefit from anything that can be done to improve your CFM/flow rate as above.... ian |