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--- In felder-woodworking@..., Eric Smith <w.g.joinery@...> wrote:

I don't need it, but after I look at it why do I want it? Help me
please........
[?] eric

--- In felder-woodworking@..., Blair Bucciarelli <blairbuc@...> wrote:

Well , checking the Swahili to English dictionary - I think Glanz means
glisten.

So I guess you are right on all counts - that being a surfactant/ acid to
strip rust.

Guess there idea of keeping metal looking nice.



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From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Cliff Rohrabacher,
Esq
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:39 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?






In a Felder PDF on planer maintained they say to clean metal parts like
the threads on the table riser with the stuff ( in the alternate the PDF
says diesel works too)
The alcohol is a surfactant soluble in water and oils
The Amides, coco, N,N-bis(hydroxyethyl), is a coconut oil product
The Phosphoric acid might be to strip rust???

I can't say for sure if Metallglanz is the same as the Felder product
Metal Glanz
The MSDS seems awfully incomplete.

On 5/9/2012 5:21 PM, Blair Bucciarelli wrote:

Cliff,



Can't find the original post on Metal Glanz and need a refesh of what

Metal

Glaze is used for.





Blair



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Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Re: metal glanz MSDS any one?





Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for.

On 5/9/2012 11:38 AM, offaces@... <mailto:offaces%40yahoo.com>

<mailto:offaces%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Cliff,

I too couldn't find anything on the Felder labeled Metal Glanz, but found

it under several other labels. It appears to be a product produced by
HAGLEITNER.

datasheet here:

f

Hope this helps,

Lance

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Esq"<rohrabacher@> wrote:

I've never seen one. Has any one one seen one?
Can't find one on Felder's site.

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--- In felder-woodworking@..., "jonrael" <jonrael@...> wrote:

Eric Riebling also represents Barth.

On 5/8/2012 11:22 PM, Gerald Ortman wrote:

I have just received an email from Gregory Godbout at Rangate containing a
notice to me that he will be checking with his attorneys regarding an action
against me personally for posting the pricelist that he sent me, claiming in
effect, that the retail price list is protected privileged information. No
other complaint is made by him at this time other than the claim that the
price list is 'protected'.

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of mcdavis
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:38 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Gathering of the Guilds show in Portland
Oregon

I went. Saw your work - nice stuff!

Completely forgot to introduce myself to you.

-mark

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Herbert"
<sittingduckfinefurniture@...> wrote:

If any of you live in the Portland Oregon area there is the annual

Gathering of the Guilds at the Portland Convention Center May 4th, 5th and
6th. The show has guilds from all sorts of trades (metal working, glass
blowing, ceramics, etc). Woodworking is just one of the them. I'll be
showing with some of my pieces. Here is one I just finished and will be at
the show (doing the upholstery today).

Herbert Edwin Harris III

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-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of offaces@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:27 PM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: [felder-woodworking] Re: Vakuucar price list - IMPORTANT

To John, Joe and the rest of this fine Felder group,

Although only a member of this Felder group for a matter of months, I've
garnered a great deal of information from you two and all the rest of the
group which will prove essential as I begin putting together a new shop this
coming fall. For that, I thank you all. I try to contribute what little I
can in order to earn my keep.

I stumbled upon the Barth website nearly a year ago and really liked what I
saw. When talk here turned to material handling I recalled the Vakuucar and
posted both the Barth website and, having done a bit of on the spot research
on US sources, suggested that more information could likely be had by
contact with Rangate. I've not dealt with Rangate, but all the comments from
those who have (here and elsewhere) was full of praise.

Greg has good friends here who are willing to go to bat for him. That in
itself says much good about his character. I like very much John that you
went beyond what has apparently transpired to speak to Greg directly. As Joe
says, there are two sides to every story, although I suspect there are more
than two sides to this riddle.

In no way can I interpret anything Gerald has revealed here to have been
meant with anything but the best of intentions for all concerned. Many of us
wished to have an idea of cost and configuration for the Barth goods and
Gerald took the initiative to seek out and provide what he learned. I for
one am thankful for that, and as one might think that those in the Felder
group would be high on the "likely to buy" list, one might also think a
supplier would welcome the free promotion. Evidently not, but there is much
about many things I fail to understand.

Not having seen an actual reproduction of the entire Rangate quote Gerald
received, we can now only guess as to whether there was any indication,
obvious or buried in "boilerplate" in that communication which forbid
sharing with others. If so, perhaps Gerald erred in posting, but, as John so
thankfully made clear to Greg's agreement, there was no malice aforethought.

Quoting a line from John's post, ".....Greg said that there was no legal
threat against Gerald nor will there be...." That's good news, as far as it
goes. What hasn't been revealed is if in fact Greg in any manner threatened
legal action in his communication of last night. He may have, and he may or
may not have decided to drop any intent to prosecute after consulting his
lawyers this morning. Perhaps on his own he saw things differently with the
coming of dawn.

There may also have been NO mention of attorneys whatsoever, in which case
Gerald must have created his interpretation from whole cloth in his latest
post, when asking that all trace of the sacred price list be expunged from
the record. He continues with an open and heartfelt apology to Greg and
Rangate and goes even further by mentioning that as a past customer, he's
never had a complaint. After reading that post and seeing how much of a
gentleman Gerald was in trying to make amends for his supposed misdeed, who
here believes he invented a threat?

In that post it appears Gerald has asked to be removed from the Felder group
list "so as to avoid being a bother or further possible trouble for anyone."
The man has class. However, I personally feel it would be a great loss to us
all were Gerald to exclude himself from participation in future discussions.

We all err..., even our friends. From appearances, one or both participants
in this unfortunate for all tale may have erred to some degree. One has
admitted his possible mistake in the most gracious manner. I'd like to think
that the other would also offer a direct apology if indeed one is due. This
would go a long way towards removing the pall that I for one feel has been
cast on what was a happy topic and valued supplier.

I'm done.

Best to all,

Lance





--- In felder-woodworking@..., "John Renzetti" <jrenzetti1@...>
wrote:

Hi All, Well this has been strange one. And like Joe I've known Greg at
Rangate for a long time. This morning Brian and I emailed Gerald asking if
he could send us the actual email that he received from Greg that implied
legal action would be taken against him. Haven't heard from Gerald as yet.
But I did call Greg at Rangate a few minutes ago to find out his side of the
story. First Greg said that there was no legal threat against Gerald nor
will there be. Second he was peeved that their quote that was just intended
for Gerald was immediately published on the FOG, but he agreed that there
was no evil purpose on the part of Gerald. I did recommend that instead of
the standard boilerplate text that appears on the bottom of so many emails
these days that most people ignore, I suggested a simple sentence or an
actual spoken statement stating the quote is for this person only.
In any case the Vkuucar is still a nifty gadget.
Take care,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Joe Doherty
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:50 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Vakuucar price list - IMPORTANT

I know Greg Godbout as a very valuable tooling seller/adviser and also as a
friend.

Mr. Ortman's experience does not fit with the Greg Godbout I know and trust
and everyone should remember that there are two sides to every story.

Joe in New Orleans


Joe Doherty
4611 Magazine St.
New Orleans, LA 70115
504 669 4571 mobile
504 891 4424 office
dohertyj@...

On May 8, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Gerald Ortman wrote:

To the FOG List Owner(s) and anyone reading this thread.

I have just received an email from Gregory Godbout at Rangate containing a
notice to me that he will be checking with his attorneys regarding an action
against me personally for posting the pricelist that he sent me, claiming in
effect, that the retail price list is protected privileged information. No
other complaint is made by him at this time other than the claim that the
price list is 'protected'.

I am unable to understand the position and believe it is in error, however
it is not my desire in life to upset anyone and if he feels so strongly I
will ask the following.

1. Will the list owner(s) remove the pricelist posting as well as any
referring to it.

2. Will the dear readers of FOG please destroy all copies of the pricelist
they have in any form, and not communicate to anyone the prices of the
Vakuucar product line.

I am a 63 year old disabled retiree and cannot afford to pursue a legal
defense of any kind at this time and will therefore hope that Mr. Godbout
will accept my apology for the unintended transgression. I truly did not
believe that circulating a retail pricelist sent to me in response to a
simple request for prices, would be something that Mr. Godbout would feel
was a secret communication of propriatory information and would see me
threatened with a ruinous lawsuit. I ask politely that he forgo such.

I will further ask the list owners to drop me from the list so as to avoid
being a bother or further possible trouble for anyone.

Gerald

PS: I have had occasion for other dealings with Rangate over time and I
believe also with Mr. Godbout regarding insert tooling. I have never had
cause for complaint.



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--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Dino" <dinod@...> wrote:

Since we are talking about dust collection - BTW, great post Bill - I'll add my two cents. I have been using the ClearVu cyclone system with spiral ducting and am very pleased with it. IMO, the only thing that SUCKS more is the premium Felder collection hose. Amazing how it all of a sudden just disintegrates and there is nothing left but the wire. This same thing happened to me some years ago and Felder stated that inferior material had been used and even replaced it; assuring me that the problem had been corrected. Apparently not the case!!!

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "Herbert" <sittingduckfinefurniture@...> wrote:

If any of you live in the Portland Oregon area there is the annual Gathering of the Guilds at the Portland Convention Center May 4th, 5th and 6th. The show has guilds from all sorts of trades (metal working, glass blowing, ceramics, etc). Woodworking is just one of the them. I'll be showing with some of my pieces. Here is one I just finished and will be at the show (doing the upholstery today).



Herbert Edwin Harris III

--- In felder-woodworking@..., "David P. Best" <dbest@...> wrote:

Dino,

Felder offers two types of flexible DC hose. One of them is single layer, ultra flexible and disintegrates in 18-36 months even if nothing is being sucked through it - just as you say. This is the version they put inside the machines to couple the pickup to the DC connector on the outside of the chassis.

Felder also sells a clear double-walled, heavy duty flexible hose that's more expensive, but is absolutely terrific - it's the only thing I use in my shop and I've been through several brands. Felder refers to this double-walled DC hose as H/SE and you can order it online from the Felder site, but I suggest you add a note to your oder that you want the heavy duty stuff when you place the order just to be sure.

David Best

On May 6, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Dino wrote:

Since we are talking about dust collection - BTW, great post Bill - I'll add my two cents. I have been using the ClearVu cyclone system with spiral ducting and am very pleased with it. IMO, the only thing that SUCKS more is the premium Felder collection hose. Amazing how it all of a sudden just disintegrates and there is nothing left but the wire. This same thing happened to me some years ago and Felder stated that inferior material had been used and even replaced it; assuring me that the problem had been corrected. Apparently not the case!!!

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--- In felder-woodworking@..., "John Renzetti" <jrenzetti1@...> wrote:

Hi All, Well this has been strange one. And like Joe I've known Greg at Rangate for a long time. This morning Brian and I emailed Gerald asking if he could send us the actual email that he received from Greg that implied legal action would be taken against him. Haven't heard from Gerald as yet.
But I did call Greg at Rangate a few minutes ago to find out his side of the story. First Greg said that there was no legal threat against Gerald nor will there be. Second he was peeved that their quote that was just intended for Gerald was immediately published on the FOG, but he agreed that there was no evil purpose on the part of Gerald. I did recommend that instead of the standard boilerplate text that appears on the bottom of so many emails these days that most people ignore, I suggested a simple sentence or an actual spoken statement stating the quote is for this person only.
In any case the Vkuucar is still a nifty gadget.
Take care,
John

-----Original Message-----
From: felder-woodworking@...
[mailto:felder-woodworking@...] On Behalf Of Joe Doherty
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:50 AM
To: felder-woodworking@...
Subject: Re: [felder-woodworking] Vakuucar price list - IMPORTANT

I know Greg Godbout as a very valuable tooling seller/adviser and also as a friend.

Mr. Ortman's experience does not fit with the Greg Godbout I know and trust and everyone should remember that there are two sides to every story.

Joe in New Orleans


Joe Doherty
4611 Magazine St.
New Orleans, LA 70115
504 669 4571 mobile
504 891 4424 office
dohertyj@...

On May 8, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Gerald Ortman wrote:

To the FOG List Owner(s) and anyone reading this thread.

I have just received an email from Gregory Godbout at Rangate containing a notice to me that he will be checking with his attorneys regarding an action against me personally for posting the pricelist that he sent me, claiming in effect, that the retail price list is protected privileged information. No other complaint is made by him at this time other than the claim that the price list is 'protected'.

I am unable to understand the position and believe it is in error, however it is not my desire in life to upset anyone and if he feels so strongly I will ask the following.

1. Will the list owner(s) remove the pricelist posting as well as any referring to it.

2. Will the dear readers of FOG please destroy all copies of the
pricelist they have in any form, and not communicate to anyone the
prices of the Vakuucar product line.

I am a 63 year old disabled retiree and cannot afford to pursue a
legal defense of any kind at this time and will therefore hope that
Mr. Godbout will accept my apology for the unintended transgression. I truly did not believe that circulating a retail pricelist sent to me in response to a simple request for prices, would be something that Mr. Godbout would feel was a secret communication of propriatory information and would see me threatened with a ruinous lawsuit. I ask politely that he forgo such.

I will further ask the list owners to drop me from the list so as to
avoid being a bother or further possible trouble for anyone.

Gerald

PS: I have had occasion for other dealings with Rangate over time and
I believe also with Mr. Godbout regarding insert tooling. I have never had cause for complaint.