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Linear accuracy of the VNA


 

One of the bugaboos is what happens when something goes wrong in the VNA?? Take a second harmonic out of range for example......? The SOL will not tell you that you have a problem.? BUT the measurements will be invalid.? SO, I built up a reactive load to test the linearity of the device at 10 MHz.? How about a simple test like confirming the linearity?? ?I built up a serial network of a SMD 50 ohm resistor in series with a selected SMD 318.5 pF cap to ground on a PCB male plug.? Well, at 10 MHz, that reads 50-j50. Scale up and down 5 MHz and see -j100 and at 20 MHz -j25 and the j better track, if not you have a problem.........? Try it some time.??

Mel, K6KBE


 

Good one, Mel. I would just like to point out that such tests may work fine at lower HF frequencies where we may be able to neglect effects of non-ideal components and effects caused by connections between components, etc. However, at higher frequencies, what we measure will certainly also be affected by non-ideal component behaviour and by hidden realisation dependent effects.

73
Dieter, VK3FFB


 

Of course, but if you see problems at MF it will certainly cause problems elsewhere....

Mel, K6KBE

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020, 11:47:25 PM PST, Dieter VK3FFB (group owner) <dpelz@...> wrote:


Good one, Mel. I would just like to point out that such tests may work fine at lower HF frequencies where we may be able to neglect effects of non-ideal components and effects caused by connections between components, etc. However, at higher frequencies, what we measure will certainly also be affected by non-ideal component behaviour and by hidden realisation dependent effects.

73
Dieter, VK3FFB


 

Another question, when you set the Z range to 200 and sweep it, the range is limited to 200 ohms, why doesn't it stay there when you sweep SWR?? Like why isn't the limit 4:1 SWR?

Mel, K6KBE


 

Mel,
it is always difficult to design an analyzer like the FA-VA4/5 according to all user requirements. Simply, different people like different behaviours, menus, arrangments. What you currently see is a compromize to serve most common needs. Some people like SWR and Z modes connected, others would like to have it as independend modes. Making everything adjustable is also not an option as it would require hundreds of settings... again a compromize.
I suggest that you take a look at the PC software VNWA. This very professional software is extremly customizable. Taking a sweep locally outside and analyzing the data after importing to VNWA is also very powerful.
Regards

Michael


 

Thanks Michael,

The question was centered on the "SETUP"? I thought that anything you do in that menu stays through out the? operation of the device.? I set the Z max to 200 and it works perfectly on Z sweep,? But going to SWR sweep, the range is still 10:1???? That is the question.??

Mel, K6KBE

On Thursday, November 26, 2020, 12:13:15 PM PST, Michael DG5MK FA-VA5 creator <mkh01@...> wrote:


Mel,
it is always difficult to design an analyzer like the FA-VA4/5 according to all user requirements. Simply, different people like different behaviours, menus, arrangments. What you currently see is a compromize to serve most common needs. Some people like SWR and Z modes connected, others would like to have it as independend modes. Making everything adjustable is also not an option as it would require hundreds of settings... again a compromize.
I suggest that you take a look at the PC software VNWA. This very professional software is extremly customizable. Taking a sweep locally outside and analyzing the data after importing to VNWA is also very powerful.
Regards

Michael