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FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 

This topic is for all questions and comments related to the assembly of the FA-VA5.


FA-VA5 manual operation (measurements)

 

This topic is for all messages about the operation (making measurements) of the FA-VA5.


FA-VA5 USB port operation

 

This topic is about using the USB port for data transfer.


FA-VA5 Videos

 

Michael Knitter at Ham Radio 2018:????????????????????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o


Calibration

 

After performing calibration, it may be a good idea to check the calibration. Fundamentally, the open and short standards can be used. We should see a frequency independent short and open response when connecting the standards as done during calibration.

Another possible check that works up to at least 150 MHz can be done by connecting two BNC 50 Ohm terminations to a BNC female-female-mal T-piece, as shown in the attached image.

As the two 50 Ohm terminations are in a parallel connection (ignoring the effect of the T-junction which is OK for low frequencies) we get R = 25 Ohms and this results in VSWR = 2.0.

If the instrument shows a VSWR value significantly lower or higher, then the calibration may be wrong.

73
Dieter, VK3FFB


Re: FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 

The attached documents give some hints in debugging communication problems. One version is in English, one in German language.

Regards Michael


Welcome

 

Greetings

Good to see 3 new group members: Tanja, Chris and Jan. In case you haven't used groups.io before, I hope, you'll find your way through the format. Please note, there is no commercial or any other advertising on groups.io which is one of the main reasons for my preference for this platform.

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Dieter, VK3FFB


Re: Welcome

 

We welcome Steve, K1ST as a new member in the FA-VA5 user group.
73
Dieter, VK3FFB


Re: Welcome

 

Today we welcome Stan DK2CA (also PA8C) to our FA-VA5 user group. Stan is just building his station and no doubt, the FA-VA5 will come in very handy.
73
Dieter, VK3FFB


FA-VA5 manual operation (measurements)

Mike VE9AA
 

Stupid question time.

What does "D/S" stand for?

I wonder if it may be "...../SELECT"....?

Tnx

Mike VE9AA


Re: FA-VA5 manual operation (measurements)

 

Hi Mike, good question.
It stands for Digit/Select as that button allows toggling through the digits or selecting an option.
Regards Michael


Re: FA-VA5 manual operation (measurements)

Mike VE9AA
 

Ahhh, Thanks very much Michael.

I mustve missed it in the manual.
I should read a newer version.

73


FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 

Hi all,

after longer time I am assembling another VA5 for my friend.
I remember that in between USB module and motherboard had to be aligned insulating foil.
(if I remember well)
After opening his kit I did not found any insulating foil in package.
Is it missing there or it is not necessary please?

73 - Petr, OK1RP


Re: FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 

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Petr,

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It is actually a TO220? mica washer.?? Have a good look again.

If not found then ask the supplier of your kit for a spare washer.

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Regards

Jan SDR-Kits

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Petr OK1RP
Sent: 06 March 2020 09:22
To: [email protected]
Subject: [fa-va5-users] Assembly USB module question

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Hi all,

after longer time I am assembling another VA5 for my friend.
I remember that in between USB module and motherboard had to be aligned insulating foil.
(if I remember well)
After opening his kit I did not found any insulating foil in package.
Is it missing there or it is not necessary please?

73 - Petr, OK1RP


Re: FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 
Edited

Hello Jan,

many thanks for quick reply.
As same as my kit also this second piece has been ordered through Box73.de in Germany directly.
(my own piece I was ordered from one of the very first batch of VA5...hi)
Anyway in this second kit the problem is solved as according to your hint I checked all packages again and I found this mica...
So many thanks for your kind help.

Another VA5 is completed and it works.
Now I am calibrating it.?
(as I found the V.1.07 in this kit I will have to upgrade it to latest V.1.09 for my friend and re-cal again)

best regards,
73 - Petr, OK1RP


Re: FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 

Just FYI,

calibration ended ok using set of precise calkit.

Now I am fighting with USB communication as I still have "No driver available" on PC Win10...
I installed the proper drover from SynLab but no success...

Petr, OK1RP


Calibration

 

Hi all,

I received multiple questions about the measuring results for the load of the SOL calibration kit, after calibration. Some people mention that it does not show exactly 50 Ohms. Let me try to explain that this is not an error. Instead it is a common misunderstanding of calibration.

SOL calibration means to cancel out any systematic errors in measurement to a well defined reference plane. Let's assume the end of the BNC-connector of the FA-VA 5 is our wanted reference plane.

Whatever device under test (DUT) is attached to the end of the BNC connector needs to be measured correctly. Unfortunately we don't know exactly what is before the BNC-connector, inside the FA-VA 5. Internal cables and paths may be longer or shorter, parasitic capacitance and inductance does exist, the components of the measurement bridge have tolerances and many more unknowns. All theses imperfections will make it impossible to exactly calculate the right measurement results at the end of the BNC-connector.

There are 2 approaches to deal with these imperfections. One approach is to use components with lower tolerances, compensate parasitic effects. However, at higher frequencies and for a large frequency range it is very hard to do this.

The second approach is to simply accept imperfections and calculate the right measurement results with the help of calibration. The basic idea is to replace all imperfect components before the reference plane (before the BNC-connector) with two networks in series. One network consists of all discussed components, but now it is assumed that they are ideal. All the imperfections are summarized in the second network. It is an error network. All is unknown as we don't know the value of the errors. It is a set of equations with unknowns. If we are able to figure out the unknowns, we can perfectly calculate our measurement result at the reference plane.

Here is the point where SOL-calibration comes in. SOL-calibration means to measure 3 well known standards to solve that error network. It is common to use short, open and load (50 Ohms), but you can use any 3 different well known standards as long as the real values of the standards are known. Devices like the FA-VA 5 allow to enter the real values for the standards, along different models. For low frequencies a short is 0 Ohm, an open is infinite resistance, the load is 50 Ohms. But for higher frequencies again parasitic capacitance, inductance etc. comes in. This is why the professional BNC-SOL-set for the FA-VA 5 has a peace of paper which tells about the real values of the standards along frequency. The PC-software VNWA allows to even enter more sophisticated models to characterize the standards. Always with the same approach: Use the best match for the real values for the standards at a frequency, measure the standards, use the values to calculate the error network and every next measurement at the reference plane (where the standards were attached) will show the right results for the DUT.

Now assume you use ideal 40 Ohm instead 50 Ohm for the load and enter the 40 Ohm as the value for the load into the calculation. The calibration will still work perfectly. After SOL calibration any DUT will be measured correctly as the calculation knows about 40 Ohm. If you measure again the same 40 Ohm load used for calibration, what will it show? It will show 40 Ohm, because the device is calibrated and the real value of the load does show up. Many people expect 50 Ohm as they assume a load is an ideal 50 Ohm standard, but it is not. If you did follow the explanations above it is clear that it is not important whether the load device has real 50 Ohm. More important is that real values are reproduceable and / or are measured for that individual load. This is why the professional BNC-SOL-set has individual measured loads. But they are not perfect ideal 50 Ohm (which is close to impossible).

The net is. If the real values for the SOL-set are entered into the device and if calibration is done correctly the device measures the real values for any DUT. For the load from the professional BNC-SOL-set it is not 50 Ohm, nothing wrong. If you would attach a perfect 50 Ohm load after calibration to the device it would show 50 Ohm. You can test this with a small 50 Ohm SMD resistor soldered to a BNC connector, which comes a little bit more to an ideal 50 Ohm load if done thoroughly. Anyway, as this is not reproducible it is not a solution for many users.

One more comment about the reference plane as explained above. It was assumed that this is the end of the BNC connector. But there is no need for this limitation. If we attach a 10 Meter cable to the BNC connector and do the SOL-calibration at the end of the cable, what will happen? The cable will become part of the error network, it is 'calibrated out'. Whatever device will be attached to the new reference plane (end of the cable) will be measured correctly. This is a very powerful property of calibration. We can move the reference plane, include other cables and devices as needed. For antennas we can calibrate at the end of the feed line once and measure the real SWR at the feedpoint of the antenna.

Hope that helps to understand why the SOL-kit load does not show 50 Ohm.

Regards
Michael


Re: FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 

Petr,
this may be a PC related problem. Please see the other post to debug such situations:
/g/fa-va5-users/message/6
Michael


Re: FA-VA5 assembly related comments #assembly #fa-va5 #construction

 
Edited

Hi Mike

many thanks. I spend long time Friday afternoon to solve it and finaly I got it.?

The problem was (as always) in between keyboard and hands...(my head, hi). I tried to run driver instalation .exe from unpacked zip file. PC seemed like all happened well but it was not.?

After correct unpacking files then running installer and restarting PC the driver started to be recognized and VA5 is now communicating.?

Many thanks.?

73 Petr OK1RP


Calibration

 

Good morning,

An interesting thing I found...
I never reach as good cal results after update fw to V1.09 as I had with init V1.07 fw.?
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Even although I am using precission calkit and cal data are correctly entered to Master cal then multifrequency SOL was properly done I am getting these values for calkit 50Ohms load:

10k: 50.3+j0.6 1:1.01
10M: 50+j0.2 1:1
100M: 50.3+j2.2 1:1.04
400M: 55.7+j7.5 1:1.2
600M: 63.4+j8.8 1:1.32

...meanwhile with V1.07 before update I got in almost all range perfect match to cal load close to 50+j0 1:1 up to 600M.?

I am a bit surprised...
73 - Petr, Ok1RP