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VWofA repurchase EVC?

Eurobago@aol.com
 

If it was bought back there should be a title with the PO name and address.
If it was not bought back(like if it is a demo or something (or worse stolen
off the lot),there will still be a MSO from the factory instead of the title.
I worked for a Nissan dealer a few years back. Nissan had a whole bunch of
"PAINT DAMAGED" cars. These were cars that the cosmoline had worn off and the
clear coats had small bare spots from acid rain. Nissan sold these cars with
Titles. I don't know if the were sold and taken back or just titled and given
to dealers as "program cars". Well to get to the end of this the dealer I
worked for sold these cars as new. When the NEW OWNERS got thier titles back
from DMV they came running back to the dealer asking why thier titles said
USED.

Ask the dealer to give you a copy of the MSO or the TITLE. This will give
you a clear indecation of what is going on. By the way what state are you
located in??

R&R GREAKER
95 Eurobago
82 Diesel Westi
Curt Elsbernd
 

After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it. It is
essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the burners and it
appears that the fridge has never been used.

Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original owner.
I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that the owner
was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was transfered
out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks and
didn't like some chipped paint.

I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military, and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a valid reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for squeaks and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California? Maybe there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt
 

Is it possible to contact the previous owner and verify the story the
salesman gave?

-----Original Message-----
From: Curt Elsbernd [mailto:curte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:46 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] VWofA repurchase EVC?


After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the burners
and it
appears that the fridge has never been used.

Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original
owner.
I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that
the owner
was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was
transfered
out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks
and
didn't like some chipped paint.

I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military,
and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a valid
reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the
second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for squeaks
and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done
because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it
wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been
involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California? Maybe
there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt




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Coby Smolens
 

I agree - it smells a little funny. Maybe you could make the sale contingent
on the van's passing the acid test of an extended test drive (say a three
day weekend camping in the mountains) and an independent pre-purchase
inspection.

Coby

Valley Wagonworks
"Intimately acquainted with VW Vans since 1959"

Volkswagen Bus, Vanagon, Westfalia and Eurovan
Repair and Service Specialists

1535 Sir Francis Drake Blvd., San Anselmo, CA 94933
Voice:(415) 457-5628
Fax: (415) 457-0967

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I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military,
and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer.
It's a valid
reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the
second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle
for squeaks
and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done
because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it
wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been
involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in
California? Maybe
there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a
new EVC at a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt
Eckhard Rolz
 



After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new.
There is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get the
vehicle's history, provided you can give them the VIN.



Ask the dealer for the VIN. If he hesitates, don't buy the car! EVs have enough
problems as it is, you don't want any more!
I think that your Department of Motor Vehicles can give you the same info for
less money. I would try to find out the name of the previous owner and contact
him. Remember, you are dealing with a car salesman. One commanding officer in
the AF once said, if he had a brother who is a used car salesman, and he was up
for his polygraph and renewal of his security clearance, he would tell them that
his brother is in jail, for fear of loosing his security clearance.
You could try contacting VW, but they have never been helpful. 1-800-Drive-VW.
Severin D Chayka
 

Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some $$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it and go after brand new one.

Severin.


At 10:13 AM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote:


After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new.
There is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get the
vehicle's history, provided you can give them the VIN.



Ask the dealer for the VIN. If he hesitates, don't buy the car! EVs have enough
problems as it is, you don't want any more!
I think that your Department of Motor Vehicles can give you the same info for
less money. I would try to find out the name of the previous owner and contact
him. Remember, you are dealing with a car salesman. One commanding officer in
the AF once said, if he had a brother who is a used car salesman, and he was up
for his polygraph and renewal of his security clearance, he would tell them that
his brother is in jail, for fear of loosing his security clearance.
You could try contacting VW, but they have never been helpful. 1-800-Drive-VW.


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Severin D. Chayka
@ PCI Energy Services.
Steve Kammerer
 

How much is the dealer willing to sell the 99 that they "repurdhased".
stevek
97 EVC
James H. McCarthy
 

I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.
Vance, Beaumont W.
 

I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
is OK.)

I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We
have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor
problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great.

If it checks out OK, what is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.

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Severin D Chayka
 

I guess we just have different points of view. I'd never ever buy 90000 miles for 5k no matter what!


At 09:25 AM 9/8/99 -0600, you wrote:
I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
is OK.)

I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We
have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor
problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great.

If it checks out OK, what is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.

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Severin D. Chayka
@ PCI Energy Services.
Kevin B
 

My 95 EVC was a VW of America repurchase vehicle. The EVC was from So.
California and was repurchased by VW in March of 1998 with 37,000 miles. I
purchased the van in May 1998. The reason given was problems with the
camping equipment and the power windows. It was my experience that VW has
extensive paperwork on a vehicle that it repurchases. The dealer I
purchased it from provided me with all the documentation: Why it was
repurchased and what work VW had done on the van. The van also came with a
12 month 12,000 mile warranty. We now have 68,000 miles on the EVC and have
had no major problems. Our experience with the camping equipment has been
similar to others on the list. If the salesman story is a repurchase he
should be able to provide some documentation for you.

Kevin
Scottsdale, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Curt Elsbernd [SMTP:curte@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 6:46 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] VWofA repurchase EVC?

After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000 miles on it.
It is
essentially new. The plastic is still on the splash guard over the
burners and it
appears that the fridge has never been used.

Here's the catch. It was repurchased by VW of America from the original
owner.
I've gotten a couple of different stories from the salesman. One is that
the owner
was in the military (the vehicle does have a military sticker) and was
transfered
out of the country. The other is that the owner didn't like some squeaks
and
didn't like some chipped paint.

I have problems with both of these arguments. I grew up in the military,
and I've
never heard of someone buying a car back becase of a transfer. It's a
valid reason
for breaking an apartment lease, but not for returning a car. For the
second
reason, VWof A must be pretty kind-hearted to buy back a vehicle for
squeaks and
chipped paint. I really don't see it.

I told the salesman that I was interested if the buyback was not done
because of
something major -- like the engine falling out. He assures me that it
wasn't, but
I don't think that I'm getting a straight story from them.

Here are my questions. Is this worth pursuing? Has anyone else been
involved in a
repurchase? Does anyone know who regulates car sales in California?
Maybe there's
some sort of full disclosure law I don't know about.

This looks pretty good to me. I ought to be able to pick up a new EVC at
a
substantial discount, but the repurchase is a bit scary.

Curt




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Vance, Beaumont W.
 

IT sounds crazy, but there were other factors, one being that I just
couldn't find a decent used 95. The other was that it was a desert car and
the camper equip had never been used. It was Cherry except for the miles. No
regrets here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Severin D Chayka [mailto:chaykasd@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:38 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I guess we just have different points of view. I'd never ever buy 90000
miles for 5k no matter what!


At 09:25 AM 9/8/99 -0600, you wrote:
I have to advise you to get the vehicle checked out and then buy it (if it
is OK.)

I bought a 95EVC with 90,000 miles on it. Everyone told me not to do it. We
have had no major problems and we saved about $5k. You may have some minor
problems like we all do, but the engine in these things are great.

If it checks out OK, what is the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. McCarthy [mailto:jimhmc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 9:20 AM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] Re: VWofA repurchase EVC?


I must report a different experience. In January 1998 I found a 1995
EuroVanCamper with 1520 miles on it. It had never been put under warranty.
I bought it at a very reduced price. We have been very satisfied. Some
corrections? Yes. The propane tank leaked; the air conditioner did not
work; the coach battery relay did not work; the skylight leaked. All were
fixed to my satisfaction under the warranty. VW did the airconditioner,
and Winnebago did the rest. Jim McCarthy

At 09:41 AM 9/8/1999 -0500, Severin D Chayka wrote:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save
some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with EV,
so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.

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Severin D. Chayka
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Gregory Kveton
 

There is a toll free number for VWoA customer service in Michigan that I have used to get information about the warranty service
history on VWs. You give them the VIN and they check the computer for repairs which were done under warranty. Tell them you want
to purchase the EV and they should give you the information. If the dealer got reimbursed by VWoA for any warranty work it should
show up in the computer. The phone number is 800-822-8987. Ask for customer service. Any dealer can also access these service
records directly. I would also find out what the lemon laws are in your state and check the VIN with the state to see if anything
comes up. There is one certainty in buying a car: Do not believe anything the salesman tells you.

From: Curt Elsbernd <curte@...>
Subject: [ev_update] VWofA repurchase EVC?

After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but there's a catch, and
it's a pretty big catch...It was repurchased by VW of America from the original owner...
mike@reyher.com
 

mik-@... wrote:

You might ask for the same option to return the vehicle as was
obviously offered to the original owner. This would give you the
ability to give it a shake-down risk-free.

Seems only fair.

^^IKE

original article:
Curt,

What do you need all those troubles for? It may look like you'll save
some
$$ now, but have a really good chance to get in a lot more expensive
troubles later (they will tell you whatever you want, they will not
loose
any $$). On top of that not many people have enough experience with
EV, so
even minor problem sometimes turns into a real pain. Just forget
about it
and go after brand new one.

Severin.


At 10:13 AM 9/8/99 -0400, you wrote:


After months of looking for a EVC, I've finally found one, but
there's a
catch, and
it's a pretty big catch. The vehicle is a 99 with only 1000
miles on it.
It is
essentially new.
There is a service in the Internet where, for $15 or so you can get
the
vehicle's history, provided you can give them the VIN.



Ask the dealer for the VIN. If he hesitates, don't buy the car! EVs
have
enough
problems as it is, you don't want any more!
I think that your Department of Motor Vehicles can give you the
same
info for
less money. I would try to find out the name of the previous owner
and
contact
him. Remember, you are dealing with a car salesman. One commanding
officer in
the AF once said, if he had a brother who is a used car salesman,
and he
was up
for his polygraph and renewal of his security clearance, he would
tell
them that
his brother is in jail, for fear of loosing his security clearance.
You could try contacting VW, but they have never been helpful.
1-800-Drive-VW.

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