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Need to sell my ‘95 eurovan camper. Looked on Craigslist in the Los Angeles area, and there’s only two and the price for a working ‘95 is $15,000 and ?not selling. Down $10,000-15,000 from a several years ago! ?Is this truly the case or is this just a one off? ?Larger sprinters, etc are all the rage now, did they kill the market??
Thanks in advice,
Dan
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Check the Samba Eurovan classifieds. The prices there haven't gone down much if at all. Out your way Pop Top Heaven seems to have flooded the market with Evans and Rialta's.
Spencer 02 mvwk
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 10:23?PM Daniel Rotblatt via <drotblatt= [email protected]> wrote: Need to sell my ‘95 eurovan camper. Looked on Craigslist in the Los Angeles area, and there’s only two and the price for a working ‘95 is $15,000 and ?not selling. Down $10,000-15,000 from a several years ago!? Is this truly the case or is this just a one off?? Larger sprinters, etc are all the rage now, did they kill the market??
Thanks in advice,
Dan
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Here in the northeast, prices do seem to be falling a bit. Likely for a few reasons, but most people aren’t looking to buy a seasonal car/camper in the off season only to need to store it for the winter. Election concerns on both sides if the aisle (this is not political - do not make this political) have also curbed some spending. This all paired with the known phenomenon that pleasure cars sell for more in the spring when people are itching to get out and use them and less in the fall winter when there is less demand and usability in much of the country.? Lastly, campervans saw a surge in the last few years. There was a point when Buses/Vanagons/Eurovans were some of the few readily available models to be had already upfit and many buyers were willing to pay for that. Now, there are not only more options for small campers/Class B’s coming to market but it has become trendy again for owners to build out their own interiors, also contributing to the falling sales/prices of older model camper vans.?
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On Nov 18, 2024, at 8:27 AM, Spencer Allen via groups.io <soxndubs1951@...> wrote:
? Check the Samba Eurovan classifieds. The prices there haven't gone down much if at all. Out your way Pop Top Heaven seems to have flooded the market with Evans and Rialta's.
Spencer 02 mvwk
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 10:23?PM Daniel Rotblatt via <drotblatt= [email protected]> wrote: Need to sell my ‘95 eurovan camper. Looked on Craigslist in the Los Angeles area, and there’s only two and the price for a working ‘95 is $15,000 and ?not selling. Down $10,000-15,000 from a several years ago!? Is this truly the case or is this just a one off?? Larger sprinters, etc are all the rage now, did they kill the market??
Thanks in advice,
Dan
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And our vans are aging like some of us! I would dearly love to have the safety features found on newer vehicles like our Subaru. But for us-not worth the cost to do after market on the EVC or buy new. We’ll stick with our EVC!?
Good luck in selling! Maybe the spring… Bailey 2000 EVC Vashon, WA
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On Nov 18, 2024, at 7:50?AM, Mike Hoddinott via groups.io <obnoxiousblue@...> wrote:
? Here in the northeast, prices do seem to be falling a bit. Likely for a few reasons, but most people aren’t looking to buy a seasonal car/camper in the off season only to need to store it for the winter. Election concerns on both sides if the aisle (this is not political - do not make this political) have also curbed some spending. This all paired with the known phenomenon that pleasure cars sell for more in the spring when people are itching to get out and use them and less in the fall winter when there is less demand and usability in much of the country.? Lastly, campervans saw a surge in the last few years. There was a point when Buses/Vanagons/Eurovans were some of the few readily available models to be had already upfit and many buyers were willing to pay for that. Now, there are not only more options for small campers/Class B’s coming to market but it has become trendy again for owners to build out their own interiors, also contributing to the falling sales/prices of older model camper vans.?
Mike 01 EVC? On Nov 18, 2024, at 8:27 AM, Spencer Allen via groups.io <soxndubs1951@...> wrote:
? Check the Samba Eurovan classifieds. The prices there haven't gone down much if at all. Out your way Pop Top Heaven seems to have flooded the market with Evans and Rialta's.
Spencer 02 mvwk
On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 10:23?PM Daniel Rotblatt via <drotblatt= [email protected]> wrote: Need to sell my ‘95 eurovan camper. Looked on Craigslist in the Los Angeles area, and there’s only two and the price for a working ‘95 is $15,000 and ?not selling. Down $10,000-15,000 from a several years ago!? Is this truly the case or is this just a one off?? Larger sprinters, etc are all the rage now, did they kill the market??
Thanks in advice,
Dan
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Thanks all! I’ll wait til the spring and in the meantime figure out if it’s worth fixing some electrical issues, or just selling it for what I can get.
Sent by the tiny personal assistant who lives in my pocket.
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Beyond seasonal buying constraints, the fact that Volkswagen is no longer supporting EVC's with replacement parts or service is a big problem. With fewer independent shops also unwilling/unable to offer service it takes special people willing to either do the work themselves or at least the leg work required to maintain these vehicles. For the last few years this forum has had many examples of owners doing repairs themselves, and not always just to save some money. I'm not sure exactly how new, potential buyers can come to this conclusion but the vehicles are over 20 years old. My EVC has been laid up for about 6 months needing a transmission replacement/rebuild. The concern over cost and finding someone local with the knowledge and ability to make the repair is daunting. Even after the repair the vehicle will only get harder to maintain. While I haven't given up yet it has me seriously looking at other options.
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I have noticed that the prices have dropped from the levels of a few years ago. I live in Monterey, CA and the large number of Vanagon (T3) vehicles on the road gives me hope that our Eurovans will remain a desirable commodity. Any Eurovan is newer than a Type 3 so I figure that there is hope yet. I recently purchased a 1997 EVC but only because I wanted to take advantage of the (slightly) larger and more powerful engine. In the meantime, my 1995 EVC is running as well as it ever has but (and this is the relevant part to your post) within the next few months I will be needing to sell it. Then I'll see where the market sits.
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At this point I would like to put in a plug for GoWesty's RECARO seats that I have installed in the '95. It's easy to not notice how flabby and worn out 30 year old automobile seats can get. Once I installed the RECARO seats it felt like a whole new camper. The driving experience was dramatically improved, particularly on long road trips.
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Eurovan ownership has definitely become a cult thing. I feel so fortunate to have a mechanic here in Monterey who is willing to work on my EVC's. He is thorough and curious to get to the bottom of any issue. I also realize that many do not have that luxury.
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There’s a certain panache and quasi-cult like following for the T3 Vanagon models that I’m afraid our beloved T4 Eurovans will never achieve. Unfortunately T4’s in America are like the Ivory Billed woodpecker—on the edge of extinction (arguably already there). When OEM and aftermarket parts stop being produced for a vehicle model this is the inevitable outcome.?
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The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon, both aftermarket OEM parts, as well as updated OE components for today’s day and age is on a different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans. Check out the wares of a few of the plethora of companies supporting primarily the T3 to see what I’m talking about.?
gowesty
busdepot
Vancafe
T3techniques
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A couple other factors have firmly rung the death knell of the T4: the failure prone automatic transmission and cost prohibitive repair. It’s the perfect storm: Dwindling parts supply, weak and expensive critically important components, and the increasingly sparse number of shops who will take them in for repair.?it’s really no surprise to me we’re in the end times and I say this as a retired VW mechanic/shop owner and Eurovan owner for over 15yrs w a highly modified 2000 EVW unicorn w/ over a half million miles. ?
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I ordered many parts for my 1995 from Europe and found this simple enough. Yeah, we are screwed, but I hope to get fifteen years more out of it.?
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:01?PM Justin Soares via <greaseworks= [email protected]> wrote: There’s a certain panache and quasi-cult like following for the T3 Vanagon models that I’m afraid our beloved T4 Eurovans will never achieve. Unfortunately T4’s in America are like the Ivory Billed woodpecker—on the edge of extinction (arguably already there). When OEM and aftermarket parts stop being produced for a vehicle model this is the inevitable outcome.?
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The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon, both aftermarket OEM parts, as well as updated OE components for today’s day and age is on a different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans. Check out the wares of a few of the plethora of companies supporting primarily the T3 to see what I’m talking about.?
gowesty
busdepot
Vancafe
T3techniques
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A couple other factors have firmly rung the death knell of the T4: the failure prone automatic transmission and cost prohibitive repair. It’s the perfect storm: Dwindling parts supply, weak and expensive critically important components, and the increasingly sparse number of shops who will take them in for repair.?it’s really no surprise to me we’re in the end times and I say this as a retired VW mechanic/shop owner and Eurovan owner for over 15yrs w a highly modified 2000 EVW unicorn w/ over a half million miles. ?
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2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd
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That’s a good point, T4 parts in Europe are still supported, UK and Germany and some of the eastern countries especially.?
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Justin
2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd
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That's half the fun! Keeping something going that any sane person wouldn’t.?
Kyle? 95 EVC 5 Speed?
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 2:20?PM Justin Soares via <greaseworks= [email protected]> wrote: That’s a good point, T4 parts in Europe are still supported, UK and Germany and some of the eastern countries especially.?
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The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon is on a
different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this
supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans. Well, I can tell you that there is one exception. While our competitors have been reducing their Eurovan parts selection, here at BusDepot.com we've been actively expanding further into Eurovan parts. In the last two years we've doubled our Eurovan parts selection, doubled our sales volume of Eurovan parts, and reduced prices on hundreds if not thousands of parts due to the resulting increase in purchasing power. This is made possible by the fact that we import container loads of parts directly from Europe, rather than relying chiefly on U.S. wholesalers (most of whom have dwindling interest in Eurovans). There is still a reasonably healthy supply of T4/Eurovan parts in Europe, a lot of which isn't available in the States (or is too expensive, or poor quality), and I've spent a lot of time sorting through and starting to import those parts. Replacement sheet metal, rubber, and various coolant hoses come to mind, just to name a few. It's somewhat of a labor of love, as I'm a long-time Eurovan owner myself (an MV, two EVC's, and two Rialtas over the years). If you can't find something on our site (or see a part on a European website that interests you), please feel free to email us at sales@.... Admittedly there are plenty of parts that are no longer available new (as with many Bus and Vanagon parts), but I spend a lot of my time sleuthing out parts other places can't find, and I love a challenge! Ron Salmon The Bus Depot Inc. www.BusDepot.com www.MyRialta.com
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I think if you keep up with the technology such as LifePo4 batteries, backup cameras, Carplay, solar, USB plugs, upgraded refrigerator, power inverter, transmission cooler, lift package, etc., and then change out the crappy Winnebago laminate stuff, you'll get a superior van than a T3.? Sure, it costs plenty of $$ but it's pennies on the dollar compared with getting one of those big Sprinter beasts.? I've had them all (VW vans) from a '61 on and IMHO, the EVC package is the best.? Airbags and air-conditioning that works is pretty amazing.? Driving the speed limit plus is a big deal too.? Being able to park in a garage is a big bonus!? For me, my EVC will be my last camping vehicle.? It does it all!
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Thanks for all this extra info.
Sean Robinson
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 1:23?PM, The Bus Depot via groups.io <bd@...> wrote:
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The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon is on a
different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this
supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans.
Well, I can tell you that there is one exception. While our competitors have been reducing their Eurovan parts selection, here at BusDepot.com we've been actively expanding further into Eurovan parts. In the last two years we've doubled our Eurovan parts selection, doubled our sales volume of Eurovan parts, and reduced prices on hundreds if not thousands of parts due to the resulting increase in purchasing power. This is made possible by the fact that we import container loads of parts directly from Europe, rather than relying chiefly on U.S. wholesalers (most of whom have dwindling interest in Eurovans). There is still a reasonably healthy supply of T4/Eurovan parts in Europe, a lot of which isn't available in the States (or is too expensive, or poor quality), and I've spent a lot of time sorting through and starting to import those parts. Replacement sheet metal, rubber, and various coolant hoses come to mind, just to name a few. It's somewhat of a labor of love, as I'm a long-time Eurovan owner myself (an MV, two EVC's, and two Rialtas over the years). If you can't find something on our site (or see a part on a European website that interests you), please feel free to email us at sales@.... Admittedly there are plenty of parts that are no longer available new (as with many Bus and Vanagon parts), but I spend a lot of my time sleuthing out parts other places can't find, and I love a challenge!
Ron Salmon
The Bus Depot Inc.
www.BusDepot.com
www.MyRialta.com
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That’s great to know Ron! I’m glad we have at least one ally in the parts biz here domestically.?
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Here at Van-Again, we have been servicing the Eurovan community for the last 25 years. I have personally owned several of these, worked on many for customers, actually was a branch of Pop Top Heaven on the east coast back in 2007 (before the banking crash), and currently are a source of a lot of parts for the Eurovan that no one else bothers with. We are also currently doing 3d printing and modeling. I think this is a way forward for Eurovan owners as some of these parts are going away since they were never made in the aftermarket, and probably never will be. However if I can get a good used version of a plastic part, I can model it into 3d, and then print it out of quality filament or eventually get some runs made from the 3d model if there is enough demand for it. We actually import a bunch of engine parts for the 2.5l engine and have supplied many shops with a complete list of rebuild parts sourced directly from Europe. My model isn't trying to be the cheapest. However, since I have a ton of experience working on these vehicles, I offer not only competitive pricing for our parts, but also actual phone or email support from someone that is a seasoned mechanic. You can check out what we have to offer at www.vanagain.com If you don't see something you need, please just let me know. Or if you want me to look into making a replacement part for you with 3d modeling, please feel free to let me know.
Sincerely,
Ken Wilford
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On 11/21/2024 3:23 PM EST The Bus Depot via groups.io <bd@...> wrote:
The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon is on a
different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this
supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans. Well, I can tell you that there is one exception. While our competitors have been reducing their Eurovan parts selection, here at BusDepot.com we've been actively expanding further into Eurovan parts. In the last two years we've doubled our Eurovan parts selection, doubled our sales volume of Eurovan parts, and reduced prices on hundreds if not thousands of parts due to the resulting increase in purchasing power. This is made possible by the fact that we import container loads of parts directly from Europe, rather than relying chiefly on U.S. wholesalers (most of whom have dwindling interest in Eurovans). There is still a reasonably healthy supply of T4/Eurovan parts in Europe, a lot of which isn't available in the States (or is too expensive, or poor quality), and I've spent a lot of time sorting through and starting to import those parts. Replacement sheet metal, rubber, and various coolant hoses come to mind, just to name a few. It's somewhat of a labor of love, as I'm a long-time Eurovan owner myself (an MV, two EVC's, and two Rialtas over the years). If you can't find something on our site (or see a part on a European website that interests you), please feel free to email us at sales@.... Admittedly there are plenty of parts that are no longer available new (as with many Bus and Vanagon parts), but I spend a lot of my time sleuthing out parts other places can't find, and I love a challenge!
Ron Salmon
The Bus Depot Inc.
www.BusDepot.com
www.MyRialta.com
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Only six hours away. Close enough.?
Here at Van-Again, we have been servicing the Eurovan community for the last 25 years.? I have personally owned several of these, worked on many for customers, actually was a branch of Pop Top Heaven on the east coast back in 2007 (before the banking crash), and currently are a source of a lot of parts for the Eurovan that no one else bothers with.? We are also currently doing 3d printing and modeling.? I think this is a way forward for Eurovan owners as some of these parts are going away since they were never made in the aftermarket, and probably never will be.? However if I can get a good used version of a plastic part, I can model it into 3d, and then print it out of quality filament or eventually get some runs made from the 3d model if there is enough demand for it.? We actually import a bunch of engine parts for the 2.5l engine and have supplied many shops with a complete list of rebuild parts sourced directly from Europe.? My model isn't trying to be the cheapest.? However, since I have a ton of experience working on these vehicles, I offer not only competitive pricing for our parts, but also actual phone or email support from someone that is a seasoned mechanic.? You can check out what we have to offer at ? If you don't see something you need, please just let me know.? Or if you want me to look into making a replacement part for you with 3d modeling, please feel free to let me know.
Sincerely,
Ken Wilford
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Justin,
I agree.? Repair issues are the main reason I'm selling mine.? When I was in college, repairing the rear transmission seal on my old split window camper by propping the engine on a stack of wood from a wood pile and pushing the van forward was an adventure.? But the neighborhood parts store had the part.? But now, 40 years later, being marooned in a gas station stop on the I5 with my son and being towed home due to a serpantine belt is no longer a fun adventure.? Ah well, it is what it is!
Take care!
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:01?AM Justin Soares via <greaseworks= [email protected]> wrote: There’s a certain panache and quasi-cult like following for the T3 Vanagon models that I’m afraid our beloved T4 Eurovans will never achieve. Unfortunately T4’s in America are like the Ivory Billed woodpecker—on the edge of extinction (arguably already there). When OEM and aftermarket parts stop being produced for a vehicle model this is the inevitable outcome.?
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The number of companies supplying parts for the Vanagon, both aftermarket OEM parts, as well as updated OE components for today’s day and age is on a different order of magnitude compared to the T4 and I’m doubtful this supply chain will suddenly gain enthusiasm for our beloved Eurovans. Check out the wares of a few of the plethora of companies supporting primarily the T3 to see what I’m talking about.?
gowesty
busdepot
Vancafe
T3techniques
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A couple other factors have firmly rung the death knell of the T4: the failure prone automatic transmission and cost prohibitive repair. It’s the perfect storm: Dwindling parts supply, weak and expensive critically important components, and the increasingly sparse number of shops who will take them in for repair.?it’s really no surprise to me we’re in the end times and I say this as a retired VW mechanic/shop owner and Eurovan owner for over 15yrs w a highly modified 2000 EVW unicorn w/ over a half million miles. ?
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2000 EVW 1.9TDI Syncro 5-spd
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I suppose that you are right about the "panache" on the T3.? And I know you are just speculating why prices are down not giving your own opinion but I can't resist making a case!? ?I say that in terms of features and durability the T4 with a VR6 wins.? My 2002 certainly does.? Powerful vehicle, handles great under load, etc etc.? It is a true advance of the transporter.? ?And for me, I think that the feature gains from T3 to later T4 are more important than after T4.? It has what I need. The T3 does not.?
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After upgrading the cooling on my 2002, I have seen zero indication over 60K+ of use that the tranny will have any future problems.? I think that the reputation was earned through a few minor but fatal correctible faults, not the actual transmission but the tranny running hot and burning it's fluid.? ?Cooling it adequately and/or changing the synthetic fluid frequently fix that.? But yes, the reputation continues.?
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An aside - Have there been any or many failures on trannies that are known (monitored) to run under 220 F?? ?I wonder sometimes if even the aftermarket coolers are handicapped by the thermostat's flow restriction and allow them to overheat under heavy load.? On paper a thermostat seems correct and in cold climates surely a requirement.? But? I don't have a thermo and mine runs ridiculously cool - but I only use it in warm-ish climates.? ?Some say it's an issue running an automatic at 150-180F? (typically) but my friend who has been rebuilding automatics all day for decades says "nope"? never gonna be an issue.?
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Anyway, I'm still sold on these guys whatever they are selling for.? ?For me, the biggest old-age issue is that Evap system and I'm gonna drop my tank next spring and see if I can't get to the bottom of that issue.? Betting it's due to dried up gasoline or just rubber age in the Rube Goldberg designed evap valving system.?
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Thanks to Bus depot for expanding your parts catalogue.? Appreciate that!? Ultimate win would be if you could source some sort of replacement or rebuild for the Steering angle sensor on the late EV models.? Paying hundreds for junk yard parts is crazy.??
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