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Tire pressure advice....
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Mike,
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I recall that picture of the sticker; it belongs to one adored 2001 Weekender: Mine. If on the 93 EV there is only one set of numbers, it is safe to assume that the numbers refer to a fully loaded EV. It would be criminal to post lightly loaded pressures alone. However, if one chooses to ignore the numbers and inflate the tire up to the tires maximum pressure, it can only harm the suspension and the occupants' kidneys. Bob In a message dated 3/6/2008 10:46:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mccarthy_mg@... writes: I've got three stickers in front of me. My 93 EV and my 95 Rialta do not show two sets of numbers (eg, lightly loaded and loaded). Rather, they both show just one set: 43/48 (front/rear) for the EV and 50/57 (front/rear) for the Rialta. Then, there's this sticker: _ () That's the mother of all stickers as far as I know. It's got FOUR sets of numbers. I think -- not sure though -- that stickers with multiple sets (eg, lightly loaded and loaded) and the duplicate sets (eg, lightly loaded and loaded, and for different size tires) did not show up until 1997 or later. ****It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. () |
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Adam Silver
I have a 1993 Eurovan Weekender which I am using to transport 2 motorcycles
(). Combined they weigh ~800lbs plus probably an additional 200lbs for all my gear plus 200lbs for me. So, Im quite close to the payload limit (which I understand to be ~1500lbs). I have Michilin Agilis 51 205/65 R15C tires. On the sidewall they say max pressure is 54PSI. The sticker on the van says 43 front, 48 rear. But, I'm wondering if I should increase the PSI due to the payload. Any advice would be much appreciated. Thx! Adam |
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The sticker should show two sets of pressures, one for a lightly
loaded vehicle and the other for a loaded vehicle. Since you quoted the higher of the two pressures in the rear, I think you are referring to the fully loaded pressures. Those should be ample for handling of a fully loaded vehicle. Higher pressures would do no harm other than making the ride less comfortable. Bob W. --- In ev_update@..., Adam Silver <adamsilver@...> wrote: motorcycles (t=235957). all my gear plus 200lbs for me. So, Im quite close to the payload limit (whichI understand to be ~1500lbs).say max pressure is 54PSI. The sticker on the van says 43 front, 48 rear. |
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Mike McCarthy
Bob,
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I've got three stickers in front of me. My 93 EV and my 95 Rialta do not show two sets of numbers (eg, lightly loaded and loaded). Rather, they both show just one set: 43/48 (front/rear) for the EV and 50/57 (front/rear) for the Rialta. Then, there's this sticker: That's the mother of all stickers as far as I know. It's got FOUR sets of numbers. I think -- not sure though -- that stickers with multiple sets (eg, lightly loaded and loaded) and the duplicate sets (eg, lightly loaded and loaded, and for different size tires) did not show up until 1997 or later. Robert Williams wrote:
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Mike McCarthy
Agreed, the single set number is probably safe to use fully loaded, and adding a bit more psi won't hurt either.
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Ah, but there is a big difference in the 93 numbers vs Bob's label numbers
and that is that the higher pressure for the 93 is for the rear tires. That means to me "max load." If it were me in a 93, I would pump the tires to the sticker pressures and load it up and that is all. Bob W. In a message dated 3/6/2008 7:07:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mccarthy_mg@... writes: it would be rather wrong to publishThat sounds logical, but look at the numbers: Adam is using the right tire (Agilis 51 205/65x15 tires, max 54PSI) and his sticker says 43/48 (front/rear) and nothing else. Is 43/48 for a light load or full load? Look at Bob's label numbers for approximately the same size tire (205/60x16, less than 1% different than Adam's) shows two sets of numbers: 36/49 (normal load) and 54/58 (max load) It doesn't look to me like there's reason to assume the simpler label necessarily implies the max load. It seems to me, rather, that the 43/48 set of numbers more closely matches the normal load, or is some kind of compromise between light and normal loads. Which leads me to conclude if you are going to max out a '93 using 205/65x15 tires then you better add a little more than 43/48. ****It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. () |
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To clarify, one could go to Bentley and search for "tire pressures." The
fifth result provides separate data tables for vans without 4WD, with reinforced tires, and for plain Caravelles and Multivans. But nowhere do the pressures of 43F/48R appear for a 205/65R15C tire. In fact, most of the full load pressures for the front are greater than the rear. These full load pressures vary by load rating of the tire and do range from 38F/35R for a 99 rated tire in one place and 44F/49R in another. If the tire's load rating is 102, the pressures can be either 41F/36R or 51/46. It is no wonder VW techs get confused. Since Gomi is factory-trained, I am sure he can clarify all of this. Bob W. ****It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. () |
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Did the 1993 EV's come with 205 65x15 tires?
The two Vanagons I had in the late 1990's came with 195 ?X14 or 15's (?). My '97EVC door sticker says 51 front and 45 rear. It originally came with 205 65x15 Goodyear Cargo Vectors. I replaced those, due to cord failure at 18k miles, with Michelin Agilis 51's, the same tire he is running on his '93. I have run the Agilis ever since. I usually run my Agilis 50 front and 48 rear. My '97 is an EVC and considerably heavier than his '93 EV. Since his '93 EV is lighter to begin with, but loaded to the max, I would probably run his Agilis at the 50 front and 48 rear I run on my heavier EVC. Kent Kirkley '97EVC **** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. () |
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gti_matt
--- Adam Silver <adamsilver@...> wrote:
I have a 1993 Eurovan Weekender which I am using to transport 2 motorcyclesI agree w/the others that if there's one set of numbers it's probably for a load since it would be rather wrong to publish one set of numbers for just a light load. Running the max pressure of 54PSI won't hurt except yeah the ride might get pretty coarse and the tire wear long term might be worn more in the center of the tire and not more evenly spread out. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. |
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Mike McCarthy
it would be rather wrong to publishThat sounds logical, but look at the numbers: Adam is using the right tire (Agilis 51 205/65x15 tires, max 54PSI) and his sticker says 43/48 (front/rear) and nothing else. Is 43/48 for a light load or full load? Look at Bob's label numbers for approximately the same size tire (205/60x16, less than 1% different than Adam's) shows two sets of numbers: 36/49 (normal load) and 54/58 (max load) It doesn't look to me like there's reason to assume the simpler label necessarily implies the max load. It seems to me, rather, that the 43/48 set of numbers more closely matches the normal load, or is some kind of compromise between light and normal loads. Which leads me to conclude if you are going to max out a '93 using 205/65x15 tires then you better add a little more than 43/48. gti_matt wrote:
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gti_matt
--- Mike McCarthy <mccarthy_mg@...> wrote:
That sounds logical, but look at the numbers:To further complicate the matter, my '00 which uses the same Agilis tires in the same size says 42/36 for light load and 45/41 full load. Not only does that not agree with the '93 sticker in any way, the rear pressure is much higher on the '93...so much so that it exceeds the front pressure. It doesn't look to me like there's reason to assume the simpler labelThere's not enough to assume that it implies normal load either. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. |
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gti_matt
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Ah, but there is a big difference in the 93 numbers vs Bob's label numbersYes since the biggest difference seems to be the rear tires (and they exceed the front), I think it's at least suspect that it's because of the expectation of a heavy load. If it were me in a 93, I would pump the tires to the sticker pressures and load it up and thatis all. When not equipped with *confirmed* factory recommended pressures for a full load, that's what I would do too. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. |
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Mike McCarthy
If it were me I would interpret the single set of numbers on the '93 as a less-than-ideal one-size-fits-all compromised number that VW eventually rejected in favor of more load-specific recommendations. Therefore, I'd lighten up a bit if driving around solo and empty, and I add a few pounds if I were fully loaded.
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IOW this: 43/48, give or take a bit Sea2river@... wrote:
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Maybe they discovered the problem with the front suspension. i.e. the
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lower ball joint fails and the wheel comes off. To lessen the load on the lower ball joint, they reduced the front tire pressure. The later models have a redesigned lower ball joint and maybe this allows for higher front tire pressures. Bill '94 GLS diesel On 6-Mar-08, at 10:29 PM, Sea2river@... wrote:
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Mike McCarthy
But nowhere do the pressuresWell, yeah, sure. The 43/48 is relevant to the original factory-fitted tires, which in the case of the '93 were 195/70x15. But Jeff, the guy who started this thread, isn't using the original tires from 1993. Instead, he's using another tire -- and he made a correct choice -- but it's not the tire that directly cross-references to the doorjamb sticker. After all, any sticker is only relevant to the factory-fitted tires. If you use different tires (and everyone does, including consumers and tire shops and GoWesty even VW themselves) then all the sticker does is give you a starting point, a point of reference. Sea2river@... wrote:
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The Winnie sticker. The other doorjamb sticker is applied by VW BEFORE
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Winnie puts its camper stuff onto the VW frame. Bob W. In a message dated 6/9/2008 8:40:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
smithhorner@... writes: The sticker pictured in the photo is similar to the one in the doorjamb of my 2002 EVC. But I have an additional sticker inside the front cover of my Winnebago EVC owner's manual, and that sticker specifies cold inflation pressures of 49 PSI front and rear for my 225/60R16 102H tires. Doorjamb sticker 44F/38R fully loaded vehicle 38F/29R lightly loaded vehicle Winnebago sticker 49F/49R see _.<W () So which tire pressure recommendation is the right one? David '02 EVC ****Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. () |
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davidaprilh
The sticker pictured in the photo is similar to the one in the
doorjamb of my 2002 EVC. But I have an additional sticker inside the front cover of my Winnebago EVC owner's manual, and that sticker specifies cold inflation pressures of 49 PSI front and rear for my 225/60R16 102H tires. Doorjamb sticker 44F/38R fully loaded vehicle 38F/29R lightly loaded vehicle Winnebago sticker 49F/49R see So which tire pressure recommendation is the right one? David '02 EVC --- In ev_update@..., Sea2river@... wrote: assume that the numbers refer to a fully loaded EV. It would be criminal to postlightly loaded pressures alone.up to the tires maximum pressure, it can only harm the suspension and theoccupants' kidneys.or later. |
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Miles Koppersmith
The doorjamb sticker and the Winnebago sticker on my 2002 EVC both list 49F/49R which is the correct inflation for the 225/60R16 102H tires.
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Miles Koppersmith 2002 EVC "Gadabout" ----- Original Message -----
From: "davidaprilh" <smithhorner@...> To: <ev_update@...> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [ev_update] Re: Tire pressure advice.... The sticker pictured in the photo is similar to the one in the |
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Miles Koppersmith
Winnebago was probably suppose to replace the VW sticker with the updated one. Maybe they did and someone just pulled it off leaving the original one from VW. My 2002 EVC has the same sticker on the doorjamb and in the Winnebago owners manual.
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Miles K. ----- Original Message -----
From: <Sea2river@...> To: <ev_update@...> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [ev_update] Re: Tire pressure advice.... The Winnie sticker. The other doorjamb sticker is applied by VW BEFORE |
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