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YES!! John, this was the confirmation I was hoping for! I will be
doing that slosh/burp routine this weekend. Plus, this will be my
first time to remove a Norcold, so I am looking forward to seeing
first-hand what all the hoopla is about! ;) I'll take a bunch of
photos. I've also kept a text file of many of the previous Norcold
posts over the last five years, so I have a long history lesson to
wade through, read, and will get wise before I dig in Saturday.

Thanks,

Garrett


John wrote:

Garrett,

In the past I had a fridge that did exactly what you are talking

about. A refrigeration mechanic advised to slide it out and turn it
upside down rock it back and forth a few times and let it sit for 24
hours (is this what you mean by burping?). My news is it work fine
after that. Worth a try.

The exact shipping charge $262.35 on my $373.59 order for a total of $635.93. Yes that's very ODD!!

Joe

I just tried placing a order for both mufflers, 2 clamps, 3 "O" rings and 3 sensors. Shipping was like $269 alone. I don't remember the exact figure that brought my $373 order to way over $600. Needless to say I didn't "checkout".

Joe R

Wait a minute. Where did that shipping estimate come from? I had two
mufflers shiped from Steve in California to Maryland and the charge was
a reasonable $60. Did you ask for the muffler to be shipped
overnight? Something doesn't add up here.

Bob W.

Here's the link--Eurovan 1997-2000 -
Exhaust/Emissions<>

I don't think the smell is the fridge--

Forest

The shipping charges on the muffler are a rip-off IMO. I just called Go
Westy last week and they charge less to ship the whole lift kit including
tires and wheels. Look for another source--I think that Teve at Europarts
has them.

The use of "shipping charges " to make a profit is a despicable practice. I
can see charging a couple bucks for packing and whatever the actual UPS/Fed
Ex fee is but anything more is a rip-off. When I'm confronted with this type
of practice , I tell them that I'm going to look elsewhere and the reason
that I'm doing it.

Forest

Bob,

I have made calls and sent emails to recyclers in Texas, Washington,
California, Alaabama and NY. So far no luck. A mechanic left it
off and then the car went into storage for the winter. Of course
noone will take responsibility for leaving it off. I never looked
underneath. Now I am pondering a retrofit but don't know what
material to construct it out of.



--- In ev_update@..., Sea2river@... wrote:

Recycler. In what part of the country are you?

What happened to the old one?

Bob W.


In a message dated 6/23/2008 1:40:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
martinrowley@... writes:

I am trying to locate a third party or used belly pan for my 2002
EVWK.

Dealer wants $471. Any ideas? Marty




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I have a transmission service as well as full brakes done about a week ago on my 97 EVC.
Since then the inside of the car has a strong oily smell which seems to be going away very
slowly. With the warnings about the ammonia leaking from the Norcold fridges I am starting
to worry that it is the fridge.

Any opinions here? What does the fridge leak smell like?

On an unrelated note. Last night I hit a bump and lost a section of exhaust system. The pipe
coming out of the middle muffler broke off. The middle muffler seems in fair shape. Some
rust. The rest of the exhaust system looks great. How much should I expect to pay for a
middle muffler? Any ideas? I saw one on line at eurosports.com for 150 bucks plus a
whopping 134 bucks for shipping. Just want to be sure I am not gonna get fleeced when I
take it in tomorrow.

Thanks in advance. Great to have this group as a resource!

Adam Mentzell

Wow Garrett that is a bummer. Hope the burp works. I am not giving any more
refer advice until I can get mine to stop smelling up the van.

forest

Garrett,

In the past I had a fridge that did exactly what you are talking about. A refrigeration mechanic advised to slide it out and turn it upside down rock it back and forth a few times and let it sit for 24 hours (is this what you mean by burping?). My news is it work fine after that. Worth a try.

John

my dads 97 evc did the exact same thing ! we couldnt figure out what
was going on. we lit the fridge a second time and somehow it just
started cooling again maybe the sloshing around while driving? who
knows

--- In ev_update@..., "Stuart MacMillan" <macgroup@...>
wrote:

Garrett,



That sucks! Are you sure it was not left running on propane at an

angle?

Over 5 degrees of slope can coke the boiler.



Anhydrous ammonia is extremely hazardous. When released into the

air, it

immediately reacts with water vapor to form aqueous ammonia, like

the

cleaning solution. It will form that in your lungs instantly, and

kill you.

So, do you detect any ammonia smell inside the van? You wouldn't

have been

in it when it blew, or you wouldn't be here to write this email!



It's entirely possible that it did escape, and you'll have to find

some one

that can deal with that.



Here is one: www.rvmobile.com <>



Check out the "how it works" section. If you can understand that,

you are a

better man than I.



Stuart







_____

From: ev_update@... [mailto:ev_update@...]

On Behalf

Of Garrett
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:44 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] More Norcold woes...



Hello Group,

Lovely, my Norcold in my 2002 EVC just stopped working... will

begin

troubleshooting this coming weekend.

The previous owners were meticulous with the EVC and especially

with

the Norcold refrigerator. I was reminded that this is a $3,000
refrigerator! They actually spent THAT MUCH MONEY over the previous
five years!!! Every time they had a glitch, it went to the

Winnebago

folks... and each time it was another $600.

Anyway... the weird and very troubling symptom is that the propane
will light just fine and the green light will remain STRONG and
happy. But, there is no cooling. Nothing. Ditto on shore power and
on battery... no cooling at all. It used to ice up on the aluminum
cooling fins. It was working GREAT!!

This is a rather vexing symptom because I am thinking that this

means

a possible ammonia leak. Major BUMMER!!

On the other hand, I am HOPING BEYOND HOPE that doing the well
documented "burping procedure" (see archives) might just fix the
problem. Will probably give that a try first.

Any suggestions on troubleshooting this coming weekend? What is the
easiest and quickest way to see if the ammonia is all gone? Is

there

any other explanation for having a good flame (on LP), but no

cooling

happening?

One other question... I notice that there is a cooling fan in
operation on my 2002 EVC when the refrigerator is cooling... but,

my

1999 EVC, the refrigerator is totally silent all the time. Did
Norcold or Winnebago add a cooling fan for the more recent years?

Thank you!!

Garrett
1999 EVC, "DolphinJazz"
2002 EVC, "Serenity"





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Its for the base model.


--- Miles Koppersmith <miles@...> wrote:

Carl,

It would be a 1993 MV? It is NOT a camper or poptop.

Thanks
Neil

--- Carl Henderson <chendermi@...> wrote:

Looking for suggestions on best place to buy replacement screens for a
2002 EV Weekender. They were pretty flimsy to begin with and the dogs
and harsh sunshine have them looking pretty ragged now. Is it possible
to just replace the screen fabric which appears to be glued on, or
does the whole frame have to be replaced, too? Had the windows tinted
today and thought it might be a good time to do the screens.

Karen

Garrett,



That sucks! Are you sure it was not left running on propane at an angle?
Over 5 degrees of slope can coke the boiler.



Anhydrous ammonia is extremely hazardous. When released into the air, it
immediately reacts with water vapor to form aqueous ammonia, like the
cleaning solution. It will form that in your lungs instantly, and kill you.



So, do you detect any ammonia smell inside the van? You wouldn't have been
in it when it blew, or you wouldn't be here to write this email!



It's entirely possible that it did escape, and you'll have to find some one
that can deal with that.



Here is one: www.rvmobile.com <>



Check out the "how it works" section. If you can understand that, you are a
better man than I.



Stuart







_____

From: ev_update@... [mailto:ev_update@...] On Behalf
Of Garrett
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:44 PM
To: ev_update@...
Subject: [ev_update] More Norcold woes...



Hello Group,

Lovely, my Norcold in my 2002 EVC just stopped working... will begin
troubleshooting this coming weekend.

The previous owners were meticulous with the EVC and especially with
the Norcold refrigerator. I was reminded that this is a $3,000
refrigerator! They actually spent THAT MUCH MONEY over the previous
five years!!! Every time they had a glitch, it went to the Winnebago
folks... and each time it was another $600.

Anyway... the weird and very troubling symptom is that the propane
will light just fine and the green light will remain STRONG and
happy. But, there is no cooling. Nothing. Ditto on shore power and
on battery... no cooling at all. It used to ice up on the aluminum
cooling fins. It was working GREAT!!

This is a rather vexing symptom because I am thinking that this means
a possible ammonia leak. Major BUMMER!!

On the other hand, I am HOPING BEYOND HOPE that doing the well
documented "burping procedure" (see archives) might just fix the
problem. Will probably give that a try first.

Any suggestions on troubleshooting this coming weekend? What is the
easiest and quickest way to see if the ammonia is all gone? Is there
any other explanation for having a good flame (on LP), but no cooling
happening?

One other question... I notice that there is a cooling fan in
operation on my 2002 EVC when the refrigerator is cooling... but, my
1999 EVC, the refrigerator is totally silent all the time. Did
Norcold or Winnebago add a cooling fan for the more recent years?

Thank you!!

Garrett
1999 EVC, "DolphinJazz"
2002 EVC, "Serenity"

Hello Group,

Lovely, my Norcold in my 2002 EVC just stopped working... will begin
troubleshooting this coming weekend.

The previous owners were meticulous with the EVC and especially with
the Norcold refrigerator. I was reminded that this is a $3,000
refrigerator! They actually spent THAT MUCH MONEY over the previous
five years!!! Every time they had a glitch, it went to the Winnebago
folks... and each time it was another $600.

Anyway... the weird and very troubling symptom is that the propane
will light just fine and the green light will remain STRONG and
happy. But, there is no cooling. Nothing. Ditto on shore power and
on battery... no cooling at all. It used to ice up on the aluminum
cooling fins. It was working GREAT!!

This is a rather vexing symptom because I am thinking that this means
a possible ammonia leak. Major BUMMER!!

On the other hand, I am HOPING BEYOND HOPE that doing the well
documented "burping procedure" (see archives) might just fix the
problem. Will probably give that a try first.

Any suggestions on troubleshooting this coming weekend? What is the
easiest and quickest way to see if the ammonia is all gone? Is there
any other explanation for having a good flame (on LP), but no cooling
happening?

One other question... I notice that there is a cooling fan in
operation on my 2002 EVC when the refrigerator is cooling... but, my
1999 EVC, the refrigerator is totally silent all the time. Did
Norcold or Winnebago add a cooling fan for the more recent years?

Thank you!!

Garrett
1999 EVC, "DolphinJazz"
2002 EVC, "Serenity"

Bob,

Coach battery is brand new (650/750 amps) and it holds a charge great!

John

Greetings.

I am missing a piece of plastic trim from the side door sliding window. This is a piece that is about a foot long and has a channel that went over the edge of the window. I think it is about 3/8 inch wide.. Mine disappeared, although I had a chance to save since I knew it was kind of loose and never got around to glueing it on. DOH!!!

Anyone on the list have one laying around they might want to part with? I don't think that this piece actually does anything, but I want my van to be whole again.

My van is a 2001 EV MV WK.

Thanks.

JL

Can the second row seats turn completely around (Captain's chairs) and
can they be removed in a 2003 EV GLS?

Thanks!

Mike.


The various computers are on a bus where a wire runs between them all and they have different "addresses" on the bus. There may be different computers on more then one bus also.

Joe R