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Re: 1984 V10P - should I sell it?
To add some data points: I purchased a v10p in November 2024 for ~$2K. Another recently sold in my area (Colorado) for the same amount.?
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When I was looking for a lathe, part of my thought process was "how much it would cost to purchase a new lathe with similar specs?"?
The two other lathes I was looking at in November were the Precision Matthews 10" x 22" (or 10" x 36") and Grizzly 10" x 22" (though they're not exactly equivalent and in many respects I prefer the v10p). Both of those have gone up in price quite a bit in the last couple months and are now ~$4-4.5K once you've paid tax and shipping. Asking more than $2K may be reasonable, especially if it's well equipped and in good condition.
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Hope that helps.
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Re: Norton box Strip/Rebuild
I can scrounge up videos of my metric machine but from what I gather that won't really help you. Let me know if you need them. Regards Vedran On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:54?PM Tim D Schomer via <rototype=[email protected]> wrote: Many thanks for the help on this so far... |
Re: Norton box Strip/Rebuild
Many thanks for the help on this so far...
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Well, I managed to get both gearboxes stripped down, as anticipated I'll need a couple of new bearings when I reassemble the V10p box but I've either got these (6201) or they're on order (6301). I now have another issue that can't be solved by impact. The outpur gear that connects to the leadscrew - apparently there's a Metric and an Imperial variant. Obviously I have the Metric one, however I need an Imperial one (or at least the number of teeth so I can get one made up. The Metric one has 32 teeth but this feels just a fraction too big to fit and get the bolts in the 'bearing block'* I have. (the gearbox output gear might also be different - they have subtly different part numbers). Basically what I need to know is what the numbers of teeth the little gear on the end of the Norton Gearbox output shaft and the 'Leadscrew Drive Gear (English)* have, once I know what these are I can either buy or make replacements. Tim (Hereford, UK) * that's the description in the parts list On 22/05/2025 01:47, Vedran via groups.io wrote:
You need to press the shaft out about 20mm as a unit more or less, and then take the gears off one by one. On my metric machine, the bearing on the right side (by the big gear) is a slip fit on the shaft, while the other one is a press fit. It's therefore best to push from right to left, and apply pressure on the shaft only (not the whole bearing). Left hand side bearing gets pushed out of the casting in the process, the right one stays in the casting. There's no way IMHO to do this in a bearing friendly way without a press, so best to replace (at least the left one) on reassembly if you tap the thing out with a hammer. |
Re: New Chat: Head stock alignments
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Rick ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of teamricky.m via groups.io ? Hi Carvel, ? I did use a very good micrometer to check the diameter in a few spots along its length, I did remember I used it to set up the mill spindle and it measured evenly with that first test by and large , I think I was chasing a bit on the lathe spindle due to dirt in the taper ¡. It wasn¡¯t great ! ? What I did not do on the mill spindle was to spin it for run out at the end of the bar from memory so that needs a go over :) ? So spoiler the lathe is fixed now and set up ! ? What I had to do was take off the motor, Access the head stock bolts and grub screws and have at it ¡? It was miles out! The grub screws audibly clicked when the tension was released, It took around 10 small adjustments-checking with the bar and dti each time.. ? I got the left to right or in and out depending to within 3 microns at the end of the test bar , Well happy with that, The vertical plane is not perfect around 4 times that but I decided not to shim anything just yet-set up the tail stock and get to testing what I have. ? The conclusion after taking a cut along a 10mm bar approximately 75mm long (with several spring passes) gave an error of 5 microns but interestingly not a taper but a very slight wave so the bed wear is influencing the cut very slightly! But the accuracy now is very much ok and manageable if maximum accuracy is needed. ? I personally would use tail support as often as possible so I would be able to get slightly better results again, All in I think I¡¯m set once the mill motor is returned to be re-fitted ! ? Cheers Rick |
Re: New Chat: Head stock alignments
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Hi Carvel,
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I did use a very good micrometer to check the diameter in a few spots along its length, I did remember I used it to set up the mill spindle and it measured evenly with that first test by and large , I think I was chasing a bit on the lathe spindle due to dirt in the taper ¡. It wasn¡¯t great !
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What I did not do on the mill spindle was to spin it for run out at the end of the bar from memory so that needs a go over :)
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So spoiler the lathe is fixed now and set up !
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What I had to do was take off the motor, Access the head stock bolts and grub screws and have at it ¡?
It was miles out! The grub screws audibly clicked when the tension was released, It took around 10 small adjustments-checking with the bar and dti each time..
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I got the left to right or in and out depending to within 3 microns at the end of the test bar , Well happy with that, The vertical plane is not perfect around 4 times that but I decided not to shim anything just yet-set up the tail stock and get to testing what I have.
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The conclusion after taking a cut along a 10mm bar approximately 75mm long (with several spring passes) gave an error of 5 microns but interestingly not a taper but a very slight wave so the bed wear is influencing the cut very slightly! But the accuracy now is very much ok and manageable if maximum accuracy is needed.
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I personally would use tail support as often as possible so I would be able to get slightly better results again, All in I think I¡¯m set once the mill motor is returned to be re-fitted !
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Cheers Rick |
Re: New Chat: Head stock alignments
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Rick ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of teamricky.m via groups.io ? Hi, ? I¡¯m using a test bar in the head stock taper¡. ? I have polished the inside of the spindle and removed any traces of dirt, Then I removed the run out at the far end of the bar by hand lapping the test bar off of the machine being careful to mark the high spots with dye! ? I then carried on until I had .001mm - .002 run out at the long end - so I know the bar is good? ? Then using the carriage with the dti trammed the bar and found the error !! ? (Left to right error) ? I haven¡¯t checked vertical just yet¡ ? Cheers Rick |
Re: Headstock alignment
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Rick ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of teamricky.m via groups.io ? Hi Chaps, ? I have a bad alignment problem! ? 0.125mm taper over 125mm cut with spring passes¡. I¡¯m ok with how to test but rather than trying to move the headstock without asking seems to be a problem! ? Im hoping others here have done the set up and could point me in the right direction ;) ? Any help would be most appreciated! ? Cheers Rick |
Re: 1984 V10P - should I sell it?
Kudos on the video, that was some great editing. I recently bought a v10p from Houston that had the milling attachment and a pretty good selection of tooling. I paid $2000. My only frame of reference going in was a v10 I saw (not p version) with almost no tooling that sold for $2500 on facebook marketplace in my area. I don't see these listed too often in the U.S. so it's hard to get a good estimate compared to a South Bend or Craftsman, but I would think you could expect something in the 2-3k range if everything is in good condition. That's my guess anyway On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 8:40?AM Carey via <itmfluter=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Headstock alignment
Rick,
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This subject has been posted on previously. Often, resulting taper is caused by other factors rather than head-stock alignment. Did you put an indicator at tool height (after cutting) to check that your piece runs true when turning the spindle, and then stroke along the length of your part to verify the indicator run-out is zero? This is always the first thing to do when you have unexpected taper on a lathe part.
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If you did this, and the indicator actually does run zero, then you should search the forum for "alignment" to learn more. Honestly though, that is quite a short piece to be seeing so much taper, or to use as a check mandrel for any alignment comparison.
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Good Day,
Wolf |
Re: New Chat: Head stock alignments
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The dti is 0.001 mm resolution piston type,
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I know I will be measuring bed wear as I sweep across the test bar but at this stage it seems a stable decline across the bar with no sudden jumps near the chuck end :)
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Which hopefully means no bed scraping needed?
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Cheers Rick |
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Hi,
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I¡¯m using a test bar in the head stock taper¡.
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I have polished the inside of the spindle and removed any traces of dirt, Then I removed the run out at the far end of the bar by hand lapping the test bar off of the machine being careful to mark the high spots with dye!
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I then carried on until I had .001mm - .002 run out at the long end - so I know the bar is good?
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Then using the carriage with the dti trammed the bar and found the error !!
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(Left to right error)
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I haven¡¯t checked vertical just yet¡
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Cheers Rick |
Re: 1984 V10P - should I sell it?
Thanks for the reply Roman. I thought I would join and make an initial post to confirm everything is hooked up properly, I will post some photos soon. In the meantime, here's a video that shows what I mostly did with the lathe.?
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Carey
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Emco V10P new 1984 from my wife's uncle. I brought it to Florida from Dayton in 2006 and have used it to turn plastic, brass, aluminum and the odd steel part. It all works. I am moving and have decided to sell the lathe. Anyone interested, or interested in more information please let me know.? |
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On May 23, 2025, at 6:17?AM, Group Notification <[email protected]> wrote:
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A new chat has been created: Hi Chaps,
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I thought the best thing is to ask !
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best method to address the head stock alignment?
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Im off by a whopping 0.125mm over 125mm
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So I need to go over 0.0625¡.
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Any tips would be most appreciated ;)
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Headstock alignment
Hi Chaps,
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I have a bad alignment problem!
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0.125mm taper over 125mm cut with spring passes¡. I¡¯m ok with how to test but rather than trying to move the headstock without asking seems to be a problem!
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Im hoping others here have done the set up and could point me in the right direction ;)
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Any help would be most appreciated!
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Cheers Rick |
Re: 1984 V10P - should I sell it?
Hi Carey ,for atract more potentional buyers would be fantastic if you can provide lot of sharp pictures of lathe also tooling ,some details on lathe bed ,gears inside carriage atcc .
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my regards Roman?
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1984 V10P - should I sell it?
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Emco V10P new 1984 from my wife's uncle. I brought it to Florida from Dayton in 2006 and have used it to turn plastic, brass, aluminum and the odd steel part. It all works. I am moving and have to sell or move the lathe. I only have a basement for it to go in, and the steps down are in the middle of the house. Not ideal. I don't use it much anymore so maybe it's time for it to be re-homed.
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I am in Fort Myers, FL. Anyone buying it would have to come get it. I rented a Penske truck in Dayton and three of us loaded it and I drove it to Fort Myers.?
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Can anyone give me an idea what some recent sale prices have been? I have a lot of tooling and tool steel ready to grind. Four-jaw chuck. other goodies. The stand needs painted since it stood in storm surge from a hurricane. The lathe was inscathed, but I lost my backup control box guts!!??
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I have a neighbor who will take it if I don't find? a buyer or decide to move it. Our movers charge by the pound, so not taking it would save some?
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Anyone have price advice, or interested in more information please let me know.?
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Carey |
Re: Norton box Strip/Rebuild
You need to press the shaft out about 20mm as a unit more or less, and then take the gears off one by one. On my metric machine, the bearing on the right side (by the big gear) is a slip fit on the shaft, while the other one is a press fit. It's therefore best to push from right to left, and apply pressure on the shaft only (not the whole bearing). Left hand side bearing gets pushed out of the casting in the process, the right one stays in the casting. There's no way IMHO to do this in a bearing friendly way without a press, so best to replace (at least the left one) on reassembly if you tap the thing out with a hammer. I've uploaded two relevant reassembly videos. They are not edited - sorry - but should give you an idea :) Just don't go banging on the stuff as I did, I was young(er) and stupid when I did this... made me cringe when I watched it now :) Regards Vedran On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 2:23?AM roman fox via <romanfox68=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Norton box Strip/Rebuild
Hi Tim could you send some photo ? Hmm i was look in spare part list and is nothing what should hold this shaft in ,similar problem on bought side when you try take off ? Ok the shaft can go out only on leadscrew side at least on left side smallest one can pass bearing hole in body ,it is interesting- bearings has not lock rings , check up all gears are freely move during you try take off shaft also i would try move out bearing on quadrand side from inside out if you have acces ,time to time also can have shaft on ends smole mashrum when you try nock in ,let us know if and what help to take out it?
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regards Roman
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