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"Their cars monitor and record conversations, video, one company even claims the right to collect DNA."

As responsible adults, given the current lack of 'Truthiness,' I think it is incumbent upon the author to include a link to the "reliable source(s)" for his assertion - esp the bit about DNA.

As to the hacking comment "I wonder how long before someone hacks into a car and shuts it down . . . " I do believe that has been demonstrated some years ago - but a link wouldn't be out of the question.

In the alternative, revise the claims by adding a couple of words - maybe a preface of "I believe" to the " one company even claims the right to collect DNA."

As in "I don't believe immigrants in Ohio were "eating the cats, eating the dogs, eating the pets of the people that lived there."

Further, it would be great if an Electronics Focused Group was able to divine and publish hacks that would allow owners to disable this feature or that much as 'the community' has discovered ways to disable (reprogram) this annoying key or that on my Windows Laptop.

One of our vehicles had the ability to send location data to the dealer/company application whenever I pressed the "PANIC" button. Something I did a few times when I forgot what the aisle I'd left the thing in looked like from the perspective of the store I'd, just moments ago, gone into.? Sometimes, after I park, the cars around mine move about while I'm in the store - maddening!? There oughta be a law!

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G.T.


wn4isx
 

What Data Does My Car Collect About Me and Where Does It Go?

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What you do in your car is more than enough information to paint a detailed picture of you. But your car-maker wants more. They can collect information about how much money you make, your immigration status, race, genetic information, and sexual activity (it’s?!). Heck, they’ll even help themselves to your?, your?, and your??if you’ll let them.
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  • Racial or ethnic origin, religious or philosophical beliefs or union membership;
Note IDing racial or etnic origin requires collecting and anayling DNA. I suspect this line is to cover any data collection they do, I don't think there is any affordable remote DNA readers....might be wrong.
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OK enough verification??
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wn4isx
 

Oh, for the record, I've never claimed to be responsible, only mostly accurate.
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Jen Caltrider, Misha Rykov and Zo? MacDonal, might generate aka (Click Bait) to understand the limits of their imaginations.

I followed the links to NISSAN and the sort of EULangUage we've all ignored to get at that free video, email account, free sample from Sam's Club or the like.? All perfectly legal according to 'our' representatives in 'our' Congress assembled to serve as one of the 'checks and balances' upon 'government over reach" while the Private Sector successfully lobbies them to pass the laws allowing the very data collection complained of.

The word "sex" does not appear in their EULA. Nor does the word 'promise' -

Corporate entities have been collecting customer data, literally since the first commercial transaction.

By no means a defense of the practice, this.? Rather Jus'sayin' it's nothing new. Gerrymandering began long before the governor disclosed that he was amassing data on American citizens for the purpose of rigging elections via clever redistricting.

Your DMV sells your information, your elections commission posts your party affiliation and voting history online for free (and sells it in database form to most anyone with the cash).

Wasn't it (J?) Walter Thompson's agency that weaponized consumer data to defeat the first Universal Health Care measure on the California ballot?

Wasn't Don Draper the first character ever to grab a woman by the pussy on national television? * Madison Avenue has been 'buying data' on consumers 'like forever' and our legislators have gone along for the ride and contributions.

Bottom line is that this shit is pervasive, that it long has been, and that what we are seeing is what or legislators allow to please those they represent in our congress.

We couldah had a Bernie instead of a Hillary but we prefer Capitalism to watch over us. So we reap what we've sown. Live with it.






* Didn't you ever wonder where Donald got the idea?


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G.T.


 

"Note IDing racial or etnic origin requires collecting and anayling DNA."

No, it don't!? All they do is ask you to complete the product registration, put a stamp on it and mail it back to them.?

Then, they remove the stamp and expose it to the blue space lasers and Gotcha!?

Geeze where you been?

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G.T.


 

"only mostly accurate"

Mostly accurate only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

谤别·蝉辫辞苍·蝉颈·产濒别 having an obligation to do something as part of one's job or role


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G.T.


wn4isx
 

Combined response to several related posts....

Again

From Kia

https://www.kia.com/us/en/privacy

Sensitive Personal Information.

This category may include Social Security number, driver’s license, state identification card, or passport number; account log-in, financial account, debit card, or credit card number in combination with any required security or access code, password, or credentials allowing access to an account; precise geolocation; racial or ethnic origin, religious or philosophical beliefs; union membership; genetic data; unique biometric information; citizenship or immigration status; contents of certain mail, emails, and text messages; or health, sex life or sexual orientation information.

?[Collected?] Yes

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Please note the genetic data.

The privacy notice says the car can collect this data.

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https://owners.kia.com/us/en/privacy-policy.html?_cl=zUZJXivZklINSZMXXvgtS69w

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I'm only including " racial or ethnic origin;" which again requires a fairly complete/complex DNA analysis to determine.

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As to main accurate, I'm happy if I'm 95% accurate because accuracy depends on complete knowledge of a subject and knowledge is expanding at a geometric rate, I doubt if anyone can stay 99% accurate given the rapid expansion of knowledge.

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Consider the new magnetic phenomena...I had no idea it existed until it was mentioned here. I try to keep up with topics that interest me the most. I'm a lot more up to date on Clovis Amerind Culture and The Younger Dryas event then I am nuclear weapons.

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I am extremely familiar with the electrical system in our 2001 Volvo S60 and am woefully and willfully ignorant on the electrical system of a gasoline powered 2025 Volvo anything.

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Toyota apparently added CAN to the 2003 Echo, so my knowledge of 2001 Echoes would be mainly inaccurate, however that knowledge is "mainly accurate" for 2000 and 2002 Echos.

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So mainly accurate is probably good enough for my life and goals.

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Another real world example, let's say I need an emergency antenna for 3.58MHz, [300/3.58] divided by 2 would give me the approximate length of each leg of a dipole antenna in meters, and, while not perfect because of end effect and the effect of height over the earth and the conductivity of the earth below said dipole, the antenna would work reasonable well, probably as good as 95% as good as though I did everything absolutely right, measure the VSWR, adjust the leg length or change the height of the dipole to achieve a perfect 1:1 VSWR.

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Of course that 1:1 VSWR would be at the end of a feedline and, unless I used a matching transformer to transform the 72~75 ohms of the antenna to 50 ohm coax, or a balan (balanced to unbalanced) transformer to couple to 75 ohm coax, I couldn't be certain the 1:1 was really 1:1. One can spend a lot of time tweaking minor variables that will have no discernable influence on behavior or function.

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So, even if I do everything to the best of modern technology, it will only be 'mainly accurate.'

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I'd stick a piece about engineering back in the days of the slide rule when everything was mainly accurate.

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My Echo specs a tire pressure of 32 PSI. Will 32.1 or 31 or 33 make any difference in drivability? Gas mileage? Tire wear? Doubt it, don't care, is my gauge 100% accurate, can I trust it when it says 32PSI? We have 4 "identical" [of the same manufacturer bought at the same time...but are they the same inside?], they all give the same reading. Is it accurate? Is there a design flaw? How can I verify this one way or the other? My compressor also has gauges, they almost agree with our tire pressure gauges, they are about a half PSA [eye balling here] so which do I trust? Either? Both? Neither?

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I consider ~1/2PSA to be "mainly accurate" with our instrumentation and have way too many other things to worry about then "Which gauge is the most accurate?"

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Although I do wonder about the temperature effect on the little brass (probably brass, every gauge I've opened has brass) bulb that is filled, distended and the distortion produces the PSI indication.

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Is it the same at 0F and 100F?

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I've had to check tires at each extreme.

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I won't go into "Which of my voltmeters is really 100% accurate." I know which one I trust the most, it gets checked at the EE instrumentation and measurement lab every 6 months or so, has been accurate since March 1974, I expect any gross failure will be obvious...could be wrong.

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Or consider an oscilloscope, assuming the inards are 100% accurate, how accurate can I read a line of illuminated phosphor or simulation on a LCD screen.

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The line has a physical width, can I be certain it's 1V or might it be 1.001V or 99.09V. Assuming 1V is mainly accurate is probably the most logical thing to do.

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Although only a fool or new tech would try to achieve more then 0.1V mainly accurate on most scopes because they are not designed to give 5 digit accuracy.

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I suspect if you are honest, you'll admit most decisions in your life are based on the "mainly accurate" concept.

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BTW, I didn't come up with 'mainly accurate' it came from a presentation by some NASA/USAF engineers to my engineering class.

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One older guy said something like "Striving for perfection is a waste of time because you will never know all the variables to even 6 places, go for the best data you can obtain, do your math right and it will work out."

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Which can be translate to "mainly right."

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The orthopedist who replaced my knees had many responsibilities....some shared with other people like the anathesthologist. [God I wish I could SPELL!]

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But neither had ran into someone with congenital?methemoglobinemia [look it up, I am not wasting 20 pages with the boring details, let's just say my blood is a bit messed up]. They were uncertain how to sedate me for surgery. The normal method is? spinal block but the drug used might trigger a massive MH event...so they played it safe and knocked me out with a "probably safe medication." I had to sign a waiver acknowledging the limited knowledge on MH triggers.?

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Did they fail in their responsibility? My knees had to be replaced or I'd be in a wheel chair now.

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They went with the best data they could find, mainly accurate might well apply.

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And no one in the hospital knew a single color pulse oximeter is useless with MH attacks. I know quite a bit about MH, probably more then any single doctor or nurse because I have MH. I have over a terabyte of data on MH. There was honest to God near panic when I handed them the paperwork detailing weaknesses of single color pulse oximeters. They don't work too well on carbon monoxide poisoning either. I probably had the only dual color pulse oximeters in the city, quite likely the state. All because a former EE classmate works for a company that makes medical gear, I told him over lunch and he had his team design a dual color pulse oximeter and gave me one. They used theirs and mine, wanted to keep mine because I have cousins with MH and they might show up at the hospital. It might be selfish but I kept mine.?

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They bought 10.

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I've been pulled from swimming pools 3 or 4 times because the lifeguard thought I was having a heart attack because I'd gone cyonotic all over. Big Bad Bummer. Cold, intense emotion, fear, many solvents, can trigger MH events. Look up Blue Fugate. forget their geneology, they've got it all wrong. A nephew did not marry his aunt, he married his first cousin on his mothers side. BTW, many states allow first cousin marriages, only NC forbides double first cousin marriages.Bet you didn't know that. That's part of my mainly accurate knowledge of marriage laws in the USA. BTW, I married a nice woman from Northern Kentucky, totally unrelated, who puts up with me and my odd interests. I mean what normal EE cares about "Why did Clovis Culture end?"

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I could go on but I've beat this dead horse into nice jerky quite well...

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On Tuesday 17 December 2024 02:25:07 pm Gooey via groups.io wrote:
No, it don't! ?All they do is ask you to complete the product registration,
put a stamp on it and mail it back to them.

Then, they remove the stamp and expose it to the blue space lasers and
Gotcha!
All of the stamps that we've been getting for ages are the kind that you don't have to lick...

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Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
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Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin


 


Roy wrote: "All of the stamps that we've been getting for ages are the kind that you don't have to lick"

Roy, it was joke!


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G.T.