Re: Off topic on PC Popups
I did go to this page and added the McAfee and Norton to the "Not Allowed". I'll go back to see if these two are under the "allowed" links.
I should have watched the complete video before.
Thanks for the link.
wings515
On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 11:55:34 AM EDT, C. Michael Stone via groups.io <enots123@...> wrote:
Here are some instructions to try if they are using Google Chrome.
Thanks for the reply. It was on both Google Chrome and MS Edge on the same PC.
I have not tried to see if it is on Firefox.
Thanks,
wings515
On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 11:19:14 AM EDT, C. Michael Stone via groups.io <enots123@...> wrote:
The removal/stop method often depends on the Brower each person is using.
Do you know which browser each person is using?
I know this is way off base but I have two friends that asked me about this problem.? They are getting popups from Norton and MaCafee that I can not get rid of.? I have added the links to the "Do Not Allow" under notifications and they still appear.? Doing a search on Google only brings up paid for apps.? I suspect these popup are not from the associated sites directly.? On one of these PC's I have downloaded the MaCafee removal tool and that also did noy stop the popups.? Norton was never installed on both these PC's. I figures there has to be some very knowledgeable folks lurking that might be able to help. ? Thanks, wings515?
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Re: Off topic on PC Popups
Here are some instructions to try if they are using Google Chrome.
Thanks for the reply. It was on both Google Chrome and MS Edge on the same PC.
I have not tried to see if it is on Firefox.
Thanks,
wings515
On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 11:19:14 AM EDT, C. Michael Stone via groups.io <enots123@...> wrote:
The removal/stop method often depends on the Brower each person is using.
Do you know which browser each person is using?
I know this is way off base but I have two friends that asked me about this problem.? They are getting popups from Norton and MaCafee that I can not get rid of.? I have added the links to the "Do Not Allow" under notifications and they still appear.? Doing a search on Google only brings up paid for apps.? I suspect these popup are not from the associated sites directly.? On one of these PC's I have downloaded the MaCafee removal tool and that also did noy stop the popups.? Norton was never installed on both these PC's. I figures there has to be some very knowledgeable folks lurking that might be able to help. ? Thanks, wings515?
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Re: Off topic on PC Popups
Thanks for the reply. It was on both Google Chrome and MS Edge on the same PC.
I have not tried to see if it is on Firefox.
Thanks,
wings515
On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 11:19:14 AM EDT, C. Michael Stone via groups.io <enots123@...> wrote:
The removal/stop method often depends on the Brower each person is using.
Do you know which browser each person is using?
I know this is way off base but I have two friends that asked me about this problem.? They are getting popups from Norton and MaCafee that I can not get rid of.? I have added the links to the "Do Not Allow" under notifications and they still appear.? Doing a search on Google only brings up paid for apps.? I suspect these popup are not from the associated sites directly.? On one of these PC's I have downloaded the MaCafee removal tool and that also did noy stop the popups.? Norton was never installed on both these PC's. I figures there has to be some very knowledgeable folks lurking that might be able to help. ? Thanks, wings515?
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Re: Off topic on PC Popups
The removal/stop method often depends on the Brower each person is using.
Do you know which browser each person is using?
I know this is way off base but I have two friends that asked me about this problem.? They are getting popups from Norton and MaCafee that I can not get rid of.? I have added the links to the "Do Not Allow" under notifications and they still appear.? Doing a search on Google only brings up paid for apps.?
I suspect these popup are not from the associated sites directly.? On one of these PC's I have downloaded the MaCafee removal tool and that also did noy stop the popups.? Norton was never installed on both these PC's.
I figures there has to be some very knowledgeable folks lurking that might be able to help.
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Thanks,
wings515?
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I know this is way off base but I have two friends that asked me about this problem.? They are getting popups from Norton and MaCafee that I can not get rid of.? I have added the links to the "Do Not Allow" under notifications and they still appear.? Doing a search on Google only brings up paid for apps.?
I suspect these popup are not from the associated sites directly.? On one of these PC's I have downloaded the MaCafee removal tool and that also did noy stop the popups.? Norton was never installed on both these PC's.
I figures there has to be some very knowledgeable folks lurking that might be able to help.
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Thanks,
wings515?
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
Yet one more update to this weird conversation:
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The image that SEEMED to be present in john23's message # 99943, was not actually in john23's message.? The message itself had a link (URL) to the image file.? But when viewing that message here in the 开云体育's web interface, the web interface displayed the image, instead of the URL to the image file.? That made it LOOK as if the image itself was part of the message, but it was not. ?
The image file that john23 linked to, was: "/g/electronics101/files/john233/2.png".? That was supposed to be the last line at the bottom of john23's message.
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Re: #admin Policies have consequences
#admin
On Wednesday 09 April 2025 12:00:12 pm Gooey via groups.io wrote: It is unfortunate that wn4isx felt he had to leave over a group policy set
years ago - possibly when YahooGroups abandoned E101. All 'my' Yahoo groups
moved to 开云体育 as a result of Yahoo leaving the Free Groups out in the
ether. I had one, called it "Roy's tech chat" which was a sort of a takeoff on the old fidonet days, where there was a "tech" echo and the guy who ran that started a "tech chat" echo for stuff that didn't quite fit. I figured mine was good for stuff that didn't quite fit elsewhere. We had some good discussions going, and then that whole thing happened, and I didn't move fast enough to get things moved over. I did start a group but nothing's happening with it. I also started a mailing list on my hosting provider, but nobody's seen fit to join it so far and I haven't gone to the trouble of promoting it. (...) As I do not share moderator or owner status for this group, Who does, at this point? I offered, but never heard back, and the original owner hasn't been seen since he left to deal with health issues. I cannot attest to what that graph might indicate for 'us.' However, It may well prove
significant in that the only way to increase the group's capacity for such
storage is to pay for it! And, if you thought managing a group was tough,
try getting members to reimburse you for the cost of maintaining it. I see this happen in other groups I participate in, and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of hassle involved with it. I'll dig around and see if I can find the info regarding my mailing list, if anybody's interested. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
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#admin Policies have consequences
#admin
It is unfortunate that
wn4isx
felt he had to leave over a group policy set years ago - possibly when YahooGroups abandoned E101. All 'my' Yahoo groups moved to 开云体育 as a result of Yahoo leaving the Free Groups out in the ether.
Not the first time this happened to 'my' groups.? I think my first was started in 1989 as an text based email thing whose name I cannot recall. It may have lasted a year or so before being absorbed by another company and forcing 'group owners' to make some adjustments. Then, as I recall, they were absorbed by Yahoo - more changes, more learning curve.
Frankly, I never 'mastered' YahooGroups management and discovered features after they announced I had to find another application that would allow me to carry 'my' groups into yet another decade.
And, here, running a few on 开云体育, I find myself learning as I go and folks like wn4isx stumble about learning the intricacies of the various 'features' 开云体育 touts as improvements to such groups as 'ours' much as Windows keeps changing this, that or the other to justify charging for a new OS or App only to frustrate existing customers who were happily learning some (if not all) of the last tranche of 'features' they never asked, but had to pay for.
In researching this issue of file and photo attachments policies I am not sure I discovered just where the policy referenced was set (could be 'unset'/disabled) but I did come across a page toting up the graphics and files stored in the archives along with a graph depicting the megabytes consumed in relation to those allowed on a 'free' group.
As I do not share moderator or owner status for this group, I cannot attest to what that graph might indicate for 'us.' However, It may well prove significant in that the only way to increase the group's capacity for such storage is to pay for it!? And, if you thought managing a group was tough, try getting members to reimburse you for the cost of maintaining it.
The last two should make it easier to effectively take these 'off topic' discussions off to the side and by and? between those members consumed by the need to resolve them within the constraints imposed on a FREE group.? The #admin Hashtag, as I understand it, allows such topics to be segregated and, thus more readily available as a reference going forward.
I would suggest that those here with privileged status create the - suggested hashtags, and form and #admin subgroup
(sort of a 'board of directors)
and then commit to doing the research (big help files!), having the discussion, forming a decision, then advising the group as a whole of the contemplated decision and inviting any comments to the admin subgroup or group owner (as opposed to the group as a whole).
In the interim, consider approving all 'on topic (e.g. E101)' posts regardless attachments and such until 'the board' feels it has completed sufficient research to competently adjust the settings of this group so as to keep it FREE as well as functioning as intended/hoped.
GT
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 05:12 AM, wn4isx wrote:
Well, in theory I'm an owner or so it says by the Home icon at the top of the left hand panel. I'm not sure why I was selected ...
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I think perhaps whomever granted me owner's status might ought to remove it because clearly I have no clue what I'm doing and all I've done is irritate people, something I don't mind doing if I'm right, something I hate doing when I'm wrong.
Calm down.? This won't do you any good because you left already.? But you shouldn't take this so seriously.
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Steven Greenfield made you one of the Owners of this group (and others he also owns).? He is the one who created this group.? That also makes him responsible for setting up the "rules" that the rest of us should follow.
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This particular "rule" does not seem to be stated anywhere obvious.? You can't expect everyone to read all 99560 messages here to find that one rule.? It ought to be out in the open.? I'm glad that you found it.
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
Oops, I am sorry!
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Attachments ARE actually stripped from messages, in this group.? I had missed that setting, and anyway it does not work the way I expected.
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This group was already set to "Strip" attachments from messages.
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That setting has strange consequences.? Apparently, it strips them ONLY from the emailed copy of the message that gets sent out from the group's servers to most group members.? But it is NOT stripped from the copy of the message that is posted in the group's web copy of the message.? That is weird, IMHO.? Furthermore, there is no warning to the sender that their message was modified.? In my opinion, that's a bad idea, but who am I to judge?
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 05:21 AM, wn4isx wrote:
This is what I based my decision upon:
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Attachments are not allowed. Images and files should be uploaded to the Photos or Files area
That may be so.? But a message from two and a half years ago, buried in the archives, does not quite make it a Rule.? The fact is that attachments ARE allowed here.? They could have been disabled (by Steven Greenfield), but they were not.? Or perhaps the group's policy was changed since 2022 when he wrote that.? It's a bummer when old stuff sticks around.? [Mod. note: Edited because it was revealed that attachments are indeed "Stripped" automatically, even without any obvious Rule in a clear place saying this.]
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If it were a Rule, it should have been (a) stated as such on the group's website where people join the group, and especially (b) enforced by turning Attachments off.? But I see neither of those having been done.
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One needs to know when it's time to leave
I joined this group because it looked like fun and I didn't expect it to take up a lot of time.
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In the main, it has been fun, some minor issues with one member but nothing insurmountable.
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I hope most of my posts have been useful and I didn't cause too much confusion trying to 'enforce' what I thought were the rules for posting graphics in this group. I am sorry for any angst I caused. I like rules, imagine what it would be like if we weren't expected to drive on the proper side of the road. [which is why I'll never visit England.]
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However I've taken a hard look at how I spend time during the day, what rewards I get versus the time spent, and changes that could make my life more satisfying, and, I've come to the conclusion being a member of this group eats up time that would be better spent listening to shortwave, playing guitar, or doing any number of other things.
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Therefore, it won't be necessary for any other owner to remove my owner status because I'm leaving the group effective immediately and my last act as an owner will be to lock this post. There isn't any reason for anyone to reply, especially if they expect me to see their reply.
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The email I used to join this group has turned into a spam magnet, I'm receiving upwards of 100 spam messages a day and I've waded through Micro$loth's inane 'close this email account' process. For reasons only known to Micro$loth it takes 45 to 60 days for them to actually close the account. I don't know if senders receive any notification the account is either closed or being closed.
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 07:38 PM, Andy wrote:
Really?? Here does it say that?? Where are the "rules of the road"?
This is what I based my decision upon:
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Attachments are not allowed. Images and files should be uploaded to the Photos or Files area.
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Don't worry, I won't try to 'enforce' any rules from now on.
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I've read the help section on owners and it appears I can't remove myself from the owner's catagory, can another owner please strip me of the godlike power?
Thank you
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
Well, in theory I'm an owner or so it says by the Home icon at the top of the left hand panel. I'm not sure why I was selected and I was under the impression based on earlier messages that graphics embedded in a message were a big no-no.
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I based this on:
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Attachments are not allowed. Images and files should be uploaded to the Photos or Files area.
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Since Steven created this (and other) group(s), I foolishly assumed his word was final.
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?I wasn't trying to insult anyone, only trying to follow what I understood to be the rules.
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I think perhaps whomever granted me owner's status might ought to remove it because clearly I have no clue what I'm doing and all I've done is irritate people, something I don't mind doing if I'm right, something I hate doing when I'm wrong.
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
Graphics belong in the files section, please edit your post; delete and move the graphic to the files section.
If you don't I, or another moderator will be forced to delete this post.
Sorry, such are the rules of the road.
Really?? Where does it say that?? Where are the "rules of the road"?
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Graphics in the messages section use a disproportionate amount of memory.
Graphics use about as much memory no matter where they are.? Admittedly, it is true that emailed graphics files use a bit more memory because the bytes need to be converted to make them text instead of binary, but that is a moderately small overhead.
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 11:24 AM, wn4isx wrote:
Hum, on both of my net PCs and my wife's win10 and Mac, there is a graphic of the circuit in question. I guess Groups IO now automagically inserts graphcs from URLs.
There was both.? John23's message had a URL to a video, and he also attached a screenshot with red squibblies scrawled on it.? By visiting the message on the groups.io website ( 99943), you can see it, below the URL.? It is a big graphic, with lots of circles and arrows and a paragraph on the -- oops, not that, but lots of scribbled stuff. ?
In my email program, the screenshot did not display; just a small icon saying something went wrong.? I don't know why.? Something about Gmail, perhaps.
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Since this group allows attachments like that, and the group's guidelines say nothing about where to not put screenshots, I don't think john23 did anything wrong in that respect.? You can't criticize him for that.
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I wish there was a Groups IO "how this system works" along with detailed rules.
It works pretty much straight-forward.? In most cases, it just works, the way it's supposed to work.? Yet you need to understand that there are things beyond groups.io's ability to control.??But if you want to know more about groups.io, read away.? They have plenty of instructions, with a link to them in the lower left corner of your screen.
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As for "rules", that is what group Owners are for.? Owners set the rules for their group.
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
To prove I'm not totally nuts (yea good luck with that Terry) I'm going do a screen print and post it in files under "IsTerryNuts.PNG."
Please view IsTerryNuts.PNG in the files section.
Now can someone explain how I can see the graphic when no one else can?
Somehow I doubt I'm that special or chosen by a higher power endowed with special powers and privileges.
No burning bushes, no tablets on human behavior.??
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OK for the technobabble....
My primary net PC is a HP Probook 4530 8G of RAM laptop running Windows 64 bit professional with no tweaking, my secondary net computer is a HP netbook I keep for "on the road" [doctor's offices and the like.] The PCs are stock with no tweaking.
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My wife has an HP desktop running Windoze 11 and a Mac running "only God knows or cares."
[I've spent the last 40+ years avoiding any Apple project. I met Steve Jobs once...once was enough to turn me off for all Apple products until the sun runs out of hydrogen. Yes it is silly but I value my pet peeves all the more because I have so few.]
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All 4 of these machines see what I show in the screen print.
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I am really confused here.?
How can a Youtube video display as a PNG still graphic?
How/why are our PCs showing what no one else sees?
And, have I made a complete fool of myself yet? If not, lots of time left.
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Re: Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
On Monday 07 April 2025 11:24:33 am wn4isx via groups.io wrote: Hum, on both of my net PCs and my wife's win10 and Mac, there is a graphic of the circuit in question. I guess Groups IO now automagically inserts graphcs from URLs. Odd since it comes from youtube and is a is is "2.png."
I wish there was a Groups IO "how this system works" along with detailed rules.
I'm going to delete my "edit and move the graphic or this post will be deleted."
Thank you for letting me know the graphic isn't embedded in a message. No graphic showed up here, either. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
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Attached graphics (was: creating a zenner like floating point using BJT)
Hum, on both of my net PCs and my wife's win10 and Mac, there is a graphic of the circuit in question. I guess Groups IO now automagically inserts graphcs from URLs. Odd since it comes from youtube and is a is is "2.png."
I wish there was a Groups IO "how this system works" along with detailed rules.
I'm going to delete my "edit and move the graphic or this post will be deleted."
Thank you for letting me know the graphic isn't embedded in a message.
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creating a zenner (Zener) like floating point using BJT
‘Floating’ is a poor choice of words on his part. That node will have a voltage Vbe(T6) above the minus node. ?
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Gooey
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