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Re: Batteries
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 04:03 PM, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
The only place I've ever seen AAAA being used was in laser pointers. And you can get 'em by siassembling a 9V, cheaper than buying them as AAAA...My wife has something that uses one.? I think it goes with her tablet.? From about 5 years ago. ?
I got replacement AAAA cells at either CVS or the local grocery store.? They were relatively cheap at about $3 for a packet of 2 or 4.? Maybe that isn't cheap by everyone's standards, but it was good enough for me.? I think it would cost more to buy a pair of 9V batteries and cut them open, if that is really where you got yours from.
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
Nice! I've never met a flashlight I didn't fall in love with. I have some Soviet flashlights, varnished cardboard tubes and reflector and the glass has rough edges like it was snipped from window glass.
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A funny story about flashlights. ? Kentucky might be called "the land of caves." There are caves all over the place. ? Mammoth Cave, and private nearby caves, are famous. ? Floyd Collins was trapped in a cave and the coast to coast radio coverage mesmerized the nation. [he was an idiot, there was a back way out.] ? While I was born in Eastern Kentucky I lived in Central Kentucky from the tender age of 3 months on. ? When I was 6 the older boys talked me into exploring a cave under a mansion that was being torn down. We came to a large room with many tunnels going off in every direction. ? They brought me because I had 3 flashlights. ? In college a classmate was fascinated by the Underground Railroad and had diaries that mentioned how runaway slaves would use the caves in Central Kentucky as part of the underground railroad. ? According to her diaries, you could go from Versailles road (Kenland Race track) to Russell's cave underground. ? And nope never had the chance to go the full route, but I did go on parts and have no doubts in 1850 it was possible for a dedicated person to make it all the way. ? I've been in over a dozen private caves. ? [It's OK everyone knew I didn't have a lot of common sense anyway.] ? My wife is claustrophobic in a way that makes my acrophobia look like a mild dislike. I was shocked when she decided we were going to Carter Caves. ? She girded her loins and we went through all the guided cave tours. There is another cave that is self tour. You have to check in at the ranger station and they insist everyone in your party must have a flashlight. ? The lady was nice and said "We really like for people to have a spare flashlight." ? So I started pulling out flashlights and told her to say "when enough is enough." ? I had 20. ? My wife only had 6. [the slacker] ? The lady sort of freaked "We've never had anyone with that many flashlights!" ? I didn't have the heart to tell her I had spare bulbs and batteries. I might well die in a cave but it probably won't be in the dark. ? Don't get me wrong, I am not afraid of the dark, it's just I'm not a bat that works with echolocation, in my view of reality, God gave me eyes to use. ? I mentioned in another post how I'd swipe my Dad's WWII flashlight and hide in closets. I was less then clear. Yep I liked making light in the dark, but I could sit in the dark for hours and not worry in the least. ? I wish the same could be said for my poor mother. She eventually accepted "The doors are locked, the windows latched, he's in here someplace. I could curl up in places you'd swear no human child could possible fit. ? I also still have some luminescent plastic toy soldiers from back then that glow in the dark. I could sit there for hours and watch the light decay, then blast them with the flashlight and instant bright glow.? ? ? But one of my favorite all time memories was the look of utter disbelief as I started laying flashlights on the check out counter. The ranger was shocked speechless. [I've often had that effect on people] ? ? Of course I have been caught without a flashlight a time or two when I needed one, really needed one. ? You change the fuel pump by feel in a 1968 VW bug at 3:00AM in the Red River Gorge Nature Preserve, on a moonless night, with nothing but starlight. Those 2 13mm nuts and hose clamps are soo much fun words fail me. ? [My wife is reading over my shoulder and just had a severe attack of the giggles. The wench.] ? Starlight is actually brighter then you might suppose .... after your eyes adjust. Not bright mind you, but you can sort of almost make out your hand. ? One time I changed the fuel pump with the light from an HP-35 sat to display all 8s for "maximum light." It was so much better then starlight. ? One might think I'd either have had flashlight or added an under the hood light. Nope, not that wise. ? I now carry 3 LED flashlights, spare batteries, have a LED light bar under the hood and in the trunk. ? Of course the chances of me being in Red River Gorge at 3:00AM are rather remote now that I'm 73 and the Gorge is filled with drunken druggies. I don't know enough people with enough firepower to make a 3:00AM pit stop safe. ? And changing the fuel pump in a modern car is no casual undertaking. ? Such is life. ? ? I made an "el cheapo" night vision device. I picked up a new in the box Android phone "virtual reality headset." ? Now I have about as much use for a gaming accessory as I do a hard hit upside the head. ? But, you can carefully drill a hole so your camera phone lens can see out. Illuminate the dark area with IR LEDs and viola instant sort of night vision device. Of course there is zero depth perception. But, as proof of concept is was sort of neat, all the more so because the VR headset cost me all of $5. [I'm cheap.] ? And I have IR illuminators, boy do I have IR illuminators. A 60 X 60 aray that draws 2 amps. It's deep IR so you can't see it with the naked eye but your smart phone would love it. ? I also have a slew of surplus 30 IR LEDs mounted on a ring to go around a closed circuit TV camera lens. ? So I can flood an area with IR. ? ? ? A friend wants a night vision headset with a crossbow equipped with an IR laser pointer. Robert always was a tad strange. ? ? ? |
Re: Batteries
开云体育Noone has mentioned the flat 4.5 V flashlight battery.? It was very common when I was growing up in Sweden. The size was 65 x 60 x 23mm and fit nicely in a pocket. See: Often the lamp was at the end, not sideways. ? The other flashlight I remember was hand-powered by squeezing a lever.? There was no battery, so it was a hand exerciser. It fit nicely in the hand.? Not like the models sold with and external crank to turn. ? Bertho |
Re: Wireless Camera repair
wn4isx
If you can open the case, many security devices use "odd" screws, you might find the antenna connector popped loose. Most of these connectors are press fit and not 'real' microwave cables.
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Amazon has tool kits with drivers for most security screws. I bought one for ~$10 and it's been extremely helpful in opening stuff the manufacturer didn't want outsiders to open. I've also used a drill for really odd screws when I really wanted to get inside a case.
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Wireless Camera repair
I have a Lorex wireless security system that uses it's own receiver for the outdoor wireless cameras. I just recently had another camera appear to fail but I can "pair" it with the receiver if I am within about 5 feet of it. Then as I move the camera away it loses connection. I replaced it with a new spare camera and problem solved. My question is can the camera possibly be repaired by me and what is the possibility it is just a bad capacitor or some other common component that would cause the limited range? I haven't opened it up yet but I just wanted to know if it is beyond repair or possibly fixable?
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025 at 10:04 AM, Dan Kahn wrote:
There were 4 "F" cells inside the lantern battery case. You can still buy them (at least as of 2023) but almost all had 4 "D" cells with a spacer at the bottom. I used the lantern batteries with screw terminals for all sorts of experiments as a kid. The only thing better was the big "ignition" cells used in school science classes. My dad bought me a dozen and they powered my early transistor experiments for 5 or 6 years, until my uncle built an adjustable regulated AC mains powered power supply for me. ?
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Re: Batteries
wn4isx
I must have made a typo I meant Leclanché cell.
Up until alkaline cells replaced the Leclanché, the Leclanché was the standard "D" "C" "AA" 9V.
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Alkalines offer increased capacity (ma/Hours), lower internal resistance, longer shelf life, less likely to leak.
The "less likely to leak" has become a joke, all the major brands now leak long before their use by date.
I'm not sure what happened, I'd have thought materials science would have come up with better seals, but clearly that isn't the case. I now use primary lithiums (and pay through the nose) in equipment I care about.
Most people think "D" "C" "AA" 9V all leak acid, they leak an alkaline similar to lye, a lot weaker but it will still corrode the daylights out of electronics.
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Oh you can still purchase Leclanché cells /9V batteries at Krogers. I suspect most big stores will have them. They are a bit cheaper than alkaline. You'll have to look around the battery rack, at the local Krogers they are sort of hidden.? |
Re: Batteries
My father wore a hearing air starting in the late 30's. I recall him having a 45 volt and 1.5 volt battery that he would put in his right rear pocket. These powered the vacuum tubes in the aid. When he had pants hemmed, that leg was always cut 2" shorter to compensate for the weight of the batteries. He did have a charger I recall as a big black object with perforated metal encasing the whole thing. Because his hearing loss was 93 dB, it took until the 60's to transition to a transistor based aid. Dan Kahn On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:17:47 PM EST, Andy via groups.io <ai.egrps@...> wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 08:50 AM, wn4isx wrote:
My vague recollection was around 45 V.? But you might have two in series, for 90 V.? I am not sure but I think that was what our AC/DC radio had. ? Or maybe if you used 22.5 batteries, then two made 45 and four got you to 90 V. ? The Wikipedia page suggests that the old B-size battery was 45 V. ?
All the lanterns I saw in that time period had the big 6 V battery with square cross-section and rounded corners, significant height (maybe 1.5 times as tall as they were across), and springs on the top for contacts.? As of a few years ago, you could still purchase them. ? Andy ? |
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Le 01/03/2025 2:07 am, Andy via groups.io a écrit?:
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Thanks Roy for the book.
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It is interesting to see the old descriptions. Bertho -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Roy J. Tellason, Sr. via groups.io On Friday 28 February 2025 04:23:46 pm Roy J. Tellason, Sr. via groups.io wrote: If anybody's interested, ?"The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments" is onmy site. The correct URL is: |
Re: Batteries
On Friday 28 February 2025 04:23:46 pm Roy J. Tellason, Sr. via groups.io wrote:
If anybody's interested, ?"The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments" is on my site at , ?lots of fun stuff in there.Well, that sure got screwed up... The correct URL is: -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
My grandfather told us of his experience making a carbon arc lamp.? Probably around the turn of the last century.
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The street lights in town were carbon-arcs.? Periodically they replaced the old carbons and discarded the spent ones in the street.? My grandfather grabbed a couple and brought them home.? Upstairs in the attic, he carefully wired them to the mains power, on the input side of the fuse box because he knew it might blow a fuse.? Then, using cloth for protection, he got the spark going and watched as it made a darned good, really bright lamp.? (No ballast.)? It worked great for about 15 seconds, then stopped.? Power was out for the rest of the night.
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The next day, the utility company couldn't figure out why their power distribution transformer had blown completely off the utility pole.
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Somehow my grandfather didn't get into trouble.
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I never went that far.? But I did manage to get some nasty sparks in the bedroom at age 2 or 3, and lived to talk about it.
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Andy
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Re: Batteries
On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 08:50 AM, wn4isx wrote:
My vague recollection was around 45 V.? But you might have two in series, for 90 V.? I am not sure but I think that was what our AC/DC radio had.
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Or maybe if you used 22.5 batteries, then two made 45 and four got you to 90 V.
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The Wikipedia page suggests that the old B-size battery was 45 V.
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All the lanterns I saw in that time period had the big 6 V battery with square cross-section and rounded corners, significant height (maybe 1.5 times as tall as they were across), and springs on the top for contacts.? As of a few years ago, you could still purchase them.
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Andy
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Re: A downright amazingly stupid LED headlight, I'm impressed.
On Friday 28 February 2025 11:35:52 am wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
A friend and fellow idiot sent me this linkInsanity! I am impressed and bow down to this guy. [and I'm glad I live nowhere close to him.]Ditto. When I became more aware of some of the higher-powered LEDs out there I ordered some. I got 10 10W units, the kind with 3 rows of 3, and so far I've built 3 lamps using these, one of which is over my desk. I've not been overall very impressed with the failure rates of the higher powered ones. I'm running these at 3 watts or so, so I guess they'll last a pretty long time. I gave up bicycles when I turned 16 for motorcycles with the logic "Now I can outrun cars...."Heh, They still don't see you, even at night with your headlight on drivers will cut you off with frightening regularity. I gave up on motorcycles after seeing two young riders get splatted by a 'queen mary' [any large car] while driving down the road. The bikers were in their lane driving sanely, the cars just ran them down.A guy who used to work for me back when I had my shop came in late one day. When I asked him why, he told me about some lady in a caddy that tried to make hamburger out of him. I started that battery store gig in January, and the guy who trained me had to ride his bike for a bit. He had a truck, but for some reason the brakes kept on locking up on him. Turned out the culprit was an apparently symmetrical hose that contained a proportioning valve, he'd put it in backwards. He used to hell me about some close calls as well. My brother has a couple of what he refers to as "scooters" (smallish bikes) and when he rode was constantly bitching about what people in cars were doing... I used to ride a 10-speed, but gave it up for that same reason. Anyway, the light from a Honda CA-77, CB-350, CB-360 wasn't anything to write home about and it was easy to outdrive your headlight, outdrive refers to driving faster than you can see ahead. [perhaps one shouldn't drive 80MPH on narrow back roads.....]I am hardly driving at night at all these days, that being a part of the reason. Now this headlight would let you see far enough ahead to be useful....but blind the poor sod coming at you so he'd probably splat you.Yup! -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
On Friday 28 February 2025 09:12:20 am Mikek wrote:
I have taken the carbon rod from Carbon/zinc batteries for different projects. The last time I did, they were built different.I used to do that when I wanted to do electrolysis, the ones out of D cells made dandy electrodes. And of course the black stuff in there was a handy source of manganese dioxide, I forget what that was useful for. If anybody's interested, "The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments" is on my site at , lots of fun stuff in there. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
On Friday 28 February 2025 08:54:16 am wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
Wiki has an interesting article on batteriesYeah, lots of details in there. I'd forgotten about how many screwy camera batteries I used to deal with back when, I think that our last film camera (not used in ages) used one of those. And in my earlier recollection I'd forgotten about the N cell, I have a couple here still in the package, and my even have a holder for them, but I'm damned if I know what I might do with them. There's another one that's real closee to that size but it puts out 12V (!), last place I saw one of those used was in a doorbell, for the outside part. Too bad that "No. 6" isn't still available. The only place I've ever seen AAAA being used was in laser pointers. And you can get 'em by siassembling a 9V, cheaper than buying them as AAAA... -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
On Friday 28 February 2025 08:50:13 am wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
Note: "Battery" sizes, "D", "C", "AA" "AAA" have nothing to do with function.I've wondered about that, never saw an A or B cell. (...) In the good old days, 1960~1970, US lantern batteries consisted of 4 "F" cells. A "F" cell was the same diameter as a "D" but longer. Today most US lanturn batteries use "D" cellsI remember those, REAL bright light. You could get those batteries with springs on top for contacts, or screw terminals. Didn't know if they were still made or not, I haven't looked. An "AA" and "C" are the same length, I've wrapped tape around an AA so it's work in my wife's wall clock.I have exactly *one* device around here that uses a C cell. Had one in it when I got it, corroded all to heck. It's a Heathkit transistor tester, and the short leads that plugged into it tended to touch each other and drain the battery if you weren't careful. I remember lots of "transistor testers" in magazines and such, can't say I've used the thing in many years. Almost everyone is familiar with the rectangular 9V battery, at one time, 1960ish, there was a round 9V battery about the size of a "C" cell. It had more amp hours [ok mA hours] then the rectangular one but transistor radio design improved to where the extra capacity wasn't needed and the single double contact snap was easier for people to use.I remember those, and also some bigger ones with rectangular cases, 9V and other voltages. Heath offered a 100mW superheterodyne CB HT that used the round 9V battery. I was at an air show in 1964 or 65 [or 66 or 63] and a CAP member had to change the battery in his HT.I wonder if you can still get any of those? Technobable nonsense. If you reversed the receive and transmit crystals for US CB channel 10, the HT would be on the CAP 'channel.' You'd have to retune the RF stages for optimal performance, but it was an inexpensive way for CAP members to get on the air. I had a Lafayette HT with a blown TX stage and reversed the CH 10 Rc and Tx crystals so I could listen to CAP. They were extremely active for a few years in Lexington, then sort of faded away.No experience with CAP for me, excepting maybe I ran into a guy once who was into that stuff. I never had any CB gear that used a whole mess of crystals like that earlier stuff did, the first one I used was synthesized. I at one point modified that with a small toggle switch on the back of it to give me some "extra" channels below the regular ones, some guy down the road was on there a lot with a very dirty signal that would splatter up into the conversations I was having on channel 7. Got one rig now that I was given a while back, I think that part of the electronics is in the base of the antenna, which is a mag mount. Tried it here, and got nothing, but I don't suppose that there's anybody using CB anywhere around here anyway. Never bothered to try it elsewhere. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |
Re: Batteries
On Thursday 27 February 2025 12:55:16 pm wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
I'd have to dig through my "lab notebooks." All in 3 photocopy boxes filled with notebooks and sheets of paper. I'm recovering from bronchitis, my wife would have called 911 last Friday night if she hadn't had her knee replaced on January 31 and isn't quite up to managing alone, so don't want to breath the dust.I don't much care for that site. They'd had a couple of my pages on there, and got takedown notices from me because of it. They want you to sign up to download, but taking a screenshot was good enough. Note: This is not the way to do it today. Use CMOS chips to drive MOSFETs, lower loss from collector to emitter.Good idea. I probably have more of those around here anyway. And a bunch of UPSs to acrap out, maybe I'll try and see what they're doing in one of those... Tripplite used a similar design with heavy duty germanium power transistors in their 150W 12>120V inverter.Hmm. My unit almost certainly didn't produce anything near 60Hz, but it worked.I'm not sure how important 60 Hz is for a lot of applications. I'm amazed at how well a lot of my projects worked when I was somewhere beyond clueless. Of course a fair percentage were total failures. I tried to build a FM wireless mic....with a germanium transistor when I was 9. I didn't have a clue about Ft.I never tried to build one of those. Closest I came to that was a device that was supposed to generate a signal that would be helpful in doing some TV adjustments, basically a few oscillators and a couple of monostables to move the lines around. The RF part was a lot of hassle. I had bought this thing as a kit, and ended up going to the place in NYC that was selling it, and the guy there was nice enough to fiddle with it some but eventually I just gave up on it. Not done much RF stuff since then. Now the FM wireless mic with a pair of tunnel diodes did work, range about 500 feet. Yep, certainly violated Part 15 of the FCC rules.I have a vague recollection of buying some tunnel diodes way back when, I might still have one, I'm not sure. And my Tesla Coil got me in trouble when it sat the wallpaper on fire.... My mother disassembled that unit with a frightening amount of anger....Heh. I needed 90V one night RFN to check a surplus 6M military radio.I've seen that done before. But 9V batteries aren't as cheap as they used to be. I've been told I think out side the box.Not that I'm aware of. :-) -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin |