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Re: transistor help needed

 

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Indeed.

I do not know how an Arduino board is made,

but a MOSFET gate driver is something to consider.

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Something like this:

There’s plenty of options around.

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Nuno T.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donald H Locker via groups.io
Sent: 24 November 2024 01:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electronics101] transistor help needed

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OP should also be aware of drive limitations of the Arduino pins. Transition times (off-to-on and on-to-off) can be very high power dissipation times, even more than on times.

Donald.

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On 11/23/24 09:52, Nuno Yahoo wrote:

24V stepper motors driven by 25V rated MOSFET’s is a really bad idea.

That’s too close to the their limit. A single coil spike could destroy them.

From this perspective, The BUZ seems a better option.

I’m assuming those stepper motors will not consume anywhere near 11A.

As long as they have a good heat sink assembly, it’s worth a try.

If you’re going to buy them on purpose, I advise looking for something better.

If you already have them, and assuming a hand size stepper motor, 11A seems more than enough.

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So, yes, they might work. (I assume no responsibility for any smoke clouds! :D )

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Nuno T.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul larner via groups.io
Sent: 23 November 2024 11:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electronics101] transistor help needed

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well at the moment aan arduino uno is driving the aod472 fets to drive a nima 23 stepper,i have made a pcb in eagle the buz 72 would be better to mount on the pcb than the d2pak fets,i just wondered if they would work,i am using 24v for the stepper.


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Nuno T.


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Re: ... to see if glass diodes emit any detectable light . . .

 

On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 12:18 PM, wn4isx wrote:
... Anyone else remember "duck and cover"?]
Surprisingly, no.? We missed that.? We had some of the customary drills ("fire drills" leading to the basement) but no jumping under desks or throwing our bodies against the nearest wall.? I learned about those years later, in documentaries.
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Tornadoes seemed to be a bigger threat (in KY).
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Andy
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Tiny camera

 

A camera the size of a grain of salt:



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ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can
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Re: transistor help needed

 

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OP should also be aware of drive limitations of the Arduino pins. Transition times (off-to-on and on-to-off) can be very high power dissipation times, even more than on times.

Donald.

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-------- Original Message --------
On 11/23/24 09:52, Nuno Yahoo wrote:

24V stepper motors driven by 25V rated MOSFET’s is a really bad idea.

That’s too close to the their limit. A single coil spike could destroy them.

From this perspective, The BUZ seems a better option.

I’m assuming those stepper motors will not consume anywhere near 11A.

As long as they have a good heat sink assembly, it’s worth a try.

If you’re going to buy them on purpose, I advise looking for something better.

If you already have them, and assuming a hand size stepper motor, 11A seems more than enough.

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So, yes, they might work. (I assume no responsibility for any smoke clouds! :D )

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Nuno T.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul larner via groups.io
Sent: 23 November 2024 11:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electronics101] transistor help needed

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well at the moment aan arduino uno is driving the aod472 fets to drive a nima 23 stepper,i have made a pcb in eagle the buz 72 would be better to mount on the pcb than the d2pak fets,i just wondered if they would work,i am using 24v for the stepper.


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Nuno T.


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For instance, the today's great intellectual property of IEEE still has no idea of the simplest and most reliable DSB-SC demodulator which I did (in 1979) as an MS thesis, and I used it for many years, in the 80's, in my private short-range (3 km) RF voice links. It can, unlike the two known ones of Costas Loop and the Squaring method, be integrated as a low-cost IC (it doesn't need I-Q signals or a selective filter).
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I mean, they made themselves so protective to the point they cannot have any idea of an Innovation, if not invention, if made outside their world :)
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Re: ... to see if glass diodes emit any detectable light . . .

 

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I think the next question is: “Where exactly do you live? So I can move somewhere far!” :D

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Nuno T.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of wn4isx via groups.io
Sent: 23 November 2024 17:19
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electronics101] ... to see if glass diodes emit any detectable light . . .

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Hang in there, I do get to glass diodes and 120V....

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I was 14 and using some glass case 1N4004 from Motorola.

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My uncle worked for Ledex and had a special run of 1N4004 made with glass so they could visually inspect the junction. They made many products but their primary product was rotary solenoids, a ~3/8"? pull in was turned into a ~90 degree movement similar to the image shown here.

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Ledex made the locking system for the LEM to Apollo command module.

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[They also modified several hundred dot matrix printers to print braille for free]

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NASA wanted Six Sigma a decade or two before Motorola came up with the idea and wanted visual inspections of the diode junction. [Don't ask why it was NASA!]

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It worked out the visual inspection was no better (and probably worse) then testing Vf at a specified current and breakdown voltage limited to a few uA for 100 hours at various temperatures.

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So I ended up with a 100 of these odd balls. They tested several hundred glass diodes to destruction, it worked out the epoxy case was much better with intense vibration, it didn't shatter like glass. [wonder how much that bit of data cost, oh wait, don't ask, it was NASA!]

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Now the silly part.

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I made a 'bridge' rectifier late one night (early one morning) and got distracted and wired all 4 diodes in series. Yes it was silly.

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Hint do not try to dig out the now gone VNG Australian time station while doing anything that requires total focus....

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Anyway I was just a tad [totally] distracted and was building a full wave, direct line powered 160V DC power supply.

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When I plugged my miswired diode 'bridge'...there was a brilliant flash of light a loud band and the lights went out.

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My room lighting was wired to the same fuse as the outlets. But my room was on a separate magnetic breaker that opened before the fuse. [wonder why Dad added that....] I had the breaker closed before my parents were there...

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Fortunately I wore regular glasses, which were ruined and Mom dug a gazillion bits of glass out of my face and dabbed each puncture with iodine.

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The worse oops I was "part of" was in EE lab when the student in the next work station discharged a ?1uf? 20kV capacitor charged to ~15kV with a 5W 100k carbon comp resistor. I saw what he was going to do, turned and started to say "Don't" but it was too late. The resistor went off like a blasting cap. It ruined my glasses and dress shirt, we had to dress up back then for school, I had a half dozen bits of carbon comp resistor in my face, about the same in both arms, the student who messed up looked like you'd shot him with bird shot, a lot of skin was just peeled away.

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He wailed for about 10 seconds before shock caused him to faint.

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{I puked from the sight.}

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The student didn't return to the program. He wore glasses so his eyes probably survived.

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The dean was unamused, we had a new lab supervisor the next day and I had a nice nurse dig out the bits.?<"Now this is going to hurt." I didn't say "Brilliant like it doesn't hurt right now!">

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The school bought me new glasses and started a rule "Safety glasses must always be worn in the lab" and issued each of us our own pair...and kicked out the next student who didn't wear their glasses, no warning just "You are expelled."

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I still have no idea what he was doing, a capacitor of that value charged to that voltage could kill.

It was a major safety violation and we had health and safety people crawling up our butts for the next month.

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They'd have had a collective heart attack if they'd visited the chemistry labs.
"Safety? We don't need safety, we have luck!"?

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In the late 80s or early 90s a professor was 'cleaning' some chemistry equipment in the engineering quadrangle, and did something wrong, the explosion blew out almost every window in the building, even those in rooms with closed doors. The professor left for greener pastures soon after. They mobilized all the physical plant workers and building operators bought up every push broom at all the Lowe's (and maybe Home Depot, don't know when they came to Lexington) in central Kentucky and spent the next 20 hours sweeping up glass.

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I worked in a building built in 1910 with walls 1 foot thick of concrete. You could feel the blast like someone hit you as hard as they could with a firm pillow. The vet who'd served in Vietnam and I dropped to the floor and rolled next to a thick wall. I thought "Unibomber or Weather Underground...wonder which...." Yea we were laughed at but if it had been an explosion closer, we'd probably have survived unhurt.

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[I went through a civil defense class where the practical consisted of a teacher popping a paper bag filled with air screaming "hit the floor!" at random intervals for 4 hours a day for a week. That made the training stuck. Anyone else remember "duck and cover"?]

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I have no idea what energetic chemicals he was using for what purpose, I suspect he was extremely luck not to be charged with a crime. [or be killed by the blast] The forces of law and order frown on unauthorized explosions. I'd liked to have been a fly on the wall when he explained what happened to the dean of the college of engineering....bet that was interesting.}?

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I've had 3 pieces of resistor work their way of my arms in the last 40 years. Freaked my wife out the first time when I said "Oh, that's just a bit of resistor."

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The oddest thing this year [so far] was a quarter inch piece of something off white about 1/2" X 1/8" came of the? healed surgical incision on my left leg during PT. It freaked the therapist out.

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They didn't sew or directly glue the incision after surgery but placed a flexible mesh over the entire length that extended an ~inch and a half on each side then applied 'glue.'

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I inspected the mesh when it came off and there were no tears or holes.?We showed it to the surgeon and he sent it to pathology, he was a bit concerned. The path report? came back "small piece of pure calcium."

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Now where in the heck did a bit of pure calcium end up just below the surface of the incision? It had to be shallow or it'd never have worked it's way out. And the spot it came from didn't bleed.

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The surgeon ordered a high resolution ultrasonic scan of the incisions on each leg, at hospital expense.

It was interesting to see the inside of the incision, how the scar tissue runs from the surface all the way down to the bone. And, it was really interesting to see the two pieces of metal that make up my new knee joint.

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[We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was...."....a Dr. Pepper to the first to ID the quote...funny my replacement corneas for cataracts don't give me telescopic vision.,,,]

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So yea I've had glass diodes "light up with 120," hope to? never experience it again.

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Did I mention it was loud?? Oh lord was it loud, my ears rang for an hour.?

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[Oh...(mythical)NE-1 neon bulbs also explode when connected between a 100 foot random wire antenna and ground when lightning strikes nearby. Maybe a bit louder.....don't ask.]

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I've often wondered why my parents didn't sell me to the Gypsies..... [No insult intended for the Roma Peoples]

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Ledex was bought by Lucas and my uncle retired...I'll avoid the obligatory jokes about Lucas Lord of Darkness or why the British drink warm beer....


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Nuno T.


Re: ... to see if glass diodes emit any detectable light . . .

 

On Saturday 23 November 2024 12:18:53 pm wn4isx via groups.io wrote:
Anyone else remember "duck and cover"?]
Yeah.

"Bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye..."

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Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, ?a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. ?--Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
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Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin


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wn4isx
 

The IEEE is like Disney, they are extremely protective of their intellectual property.
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I took a chance and deleted a post that gave a link to bypass a paywall.
I believe it violates Groups IO terms of service.
I'd like for other mods and owners to confirm my action was proper.
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Re: transistor help needed

 

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24V stepper motors driven by 25V rated MOSFET’s is a really bad idea.

That’s too close to the their limit. A single coil spike could destroy them.

From this perspective, The BUZ seems a better option.

I’m assuming those stepper motors will not consume anywhere near 11A.

As long as they have a good heat sink assembly, it’s worth a try.

If you’re going to buy them on purpose, I advise looking for something better.

If you already have them, and assuming a hand size stepper motor, 11A seems more than enough.

?

So, yes, they might work. (I assume no responsibility for any smoke clouds! :D )

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Nuno T.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul larner via groups.io
Sent: 23 November 2024 11:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electronics101] transistor help needed

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well at the moment aan arduino uno is driving the aod472 fets to drive a nima 23 stepper,i have made a pcb in eagle the buz 72 would be better to mount on the pcb than the d2pak fets,i just wondered if they would work,i am using 24v for the stepper.


--
Nuno T.


Re: transistor help needed

 

well at the moment aan arduino uno is driving the aod472 fets to drive a nima 23 stepper,i have made a pcb in eagle the buz 72 would be better to mount on the pcb than the d2pak fets,i just wondered if they would work,i am using 24v for the stepper.


Re: transistor help needed

 

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Hi Paul,

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Look for their datasheets.

AOD472 is rated at 50A with an RDSon of 0,0095 Ohm

BUZ72A is rated at 11A with an RDSon of 0,25 Ohm

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What this tells you is, the BUZ72A is only able to handle about 1/5th of the total current. It also has a much higher internal resistance when turned on (RDSon),

meaning it will heat up a lot more for the same amount of current.

No idea what those MOSFET’s are handling, but you’re looking at a possible “cloud of smoke” for each BUZ.

Only advantage I see on those BUZ is their higher voltage handling. Which partially explains the downside with current.

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AOD472 is rated at 25V. Use this parameter to look for a good replacement in that package you want. Generally speaking, the lower the voltage rating,

the higher the current handling. RDSon varies wildly from device to device (along with price…), a lower RDSon (internal resistance when on), means

lower heat generation, and smaller heatsinks.

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Can’t remember any of the top of my head, supplier websites usually have a search tool with filters, where these parameters are selectable.

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Nuno T.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of paul larner via groups.io
Sent: 23 November 2024 08:44
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [electronics101] transistor help needed

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would a buz 72a be ok for a replacement?


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Nuno T.


Re: ... to see if glass diodes emit any detectable light . . .

 

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LOL! Another method is to connect one to the ACMains. (Eye protection recommended!)

Donald.

On 11/22/24 09:27, Gooey via groups.io wrote:

You won't need a scope or night vision, just turn out the lights and peel off packing tape hard and fast . . .

Most likely works with other tape as well.


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G.T.


Re: transistor help needed

 

would a buz 72a be ok for a replacement?


transistor help needed

 

Hi all,i am building a coil winder using an arduino nano,the nano drives 4 A0D472 d2pac transistors,it works well in a lashup but i need to change the 4 fets to to220 devices,any ideas what part would work?.


Re: An odd bipolar transistor effect......

 

There are transistors that have multiple emitters on the silicon all coming out to the package pin. (RF transistors)
It would be interesting to compare the red light from one of those to a standard transistor.
I have memory that the hard to get 2N5109 has multiple emitters, but I haven't been able to verify it.
Possibly the 2n3886 also has multiple emitters.
?????????????????????? Mikek
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Re: An odd bipolar transistor effect......

 

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 10:41 AM, wn4isx wrote:


Alas, it is locked behind IEEE's paywall.
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:-(
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Andy
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Re: An odd bipolar transistor effect......

 

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 10:20 AM, wn4isx wrote:
I have 1N34's older then I!
Then chances are (in fact it is almost guaranteed) they are Germanium.
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But if you bought a 1N34 today, it might not be.
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Andy
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... to see if glass diodes emit any detectable light . . .

 

You won't need a scope or night vision, just turn out the lights and peel off packing tape hard and fast . . .

Most likely works with other tape as well.


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G.T.


Re: An odd bipolar transistor effect......

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 11:30 PM, wn4isx wrote:
1N34 are pretty bad but they are germanium ...
Just an FYI -
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I am told that "most" Germanium diodes sold today are not the Germanium diodes they originally were.? Instead, they are Schottky diodes, Silicon-based, packaged with Ge diode part numbers.? I guess the manufacturers figure that as long as they meet the datasheet specs, all is well and good and 'nobody' can tell the difference.? Apparently that is done not just by the counterfeit part makers, but by the legit ones too.
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It's a bit disappointing.
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Andy
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Re: An odd bipolar transistor effect......

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 09:15 PM, wn4isx wrote:

Photons are emitted when the electrons and holes recombine in the collector/base. And the photons could excite voltage production via PV effect in the base emitter junction.

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Below is written by the guy who created LTspice (Mike Engelhardt), which he wrote in the LTspice user's group about 15 years ago:
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Bipolar BE breakdown is technically a failure mode also,
because it modifies the transistor doping and the gain
decreases.? BTW, if ground the emitter of an NPN transistor,
leave the collector unconnected, and reverse bias the base
to breakdown, the collector tends to go negative because
the breakdown creates photons which are converted back to
current in the BC junction.? Does anybody know the net quantum
efficiency of that process?? I did a quick check on a 2N3904,
and found it less than 1ppm, which was the limit of my
multimeter.
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So I guess the photo emission and voltaic effect works either way: BC to BE in one case, or BE to BC in the other.
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Andy
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