ACTION ALERT: Ask Gov. Newsom to sign bill AB 2401-for EVs for gasoline-burdened families
For those of you who believe in political action to promote EV Adoption:
Consider sending a message to Gov Newsom via the red link below after reading Rob’s message. You will have to create your own message to the Gov. This was mine: Best, Sybil
- I am writing to urge you to sign AB 2401.
- This is a bill with strong bipartisan support that will enhance the environmental, economic, and equity benefits of California's leading EV incentive program. It will benefit the many constituents who are eager to drive clean and green electric vehicles.
- This legislation sets a national precedent by directing EV programs toward those who would see the greatest benefit.?
- The bill also maximizes the emissions reduced per dollar spent on the incentives.
Thank you for your support of increasing EV adoption in California. Sincerely, Sybil Cramer
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Subject: ACTION ALERT: Ask Gov. Newsom to sign bill for EVs for gasoline-burdened families
Date: September 6, 2024 at 12:05:17 PM PDT
Reply-To: Rob Sargent, Coltura <info@...>
| Dear friend,
Last Friday, the California Legislature passed??and sent it to Governor Newsom for his signature. The bill would update California's landmark Clean Cars for All program to prioritize the switch to EVs for lower-income, high mileage drivers of older, dirtier cars.
The bill has the support of a wide array of stakeholders and arrived on the Governor’s desk after unanimous bi-partisan votes in both the Assembly (72-0) and the Senate (39-0).
It is now up to Governor Newsom to sign the bill.?The bill is a common sense bill with tremendous support. So, we hope he will sign it. But it is by no means assured. Last year, he vetoed more than 150 of 1,000 bills that reached his desk. Help get AB2401 over the finish line by showing your support for the bill. |
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I’m writing to ask you to sign AB 2401, a practical bill with strong bipartisan support that aims to enhance the environmental, economic, and equity benefits of California's leading EV incentive program. This legislation sets a national precedent by directing EV programs toward those who would see the greatest benefit. The bill also maximizes the emissions reduced per dollar spent on the incentives.
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Silicon Valley Fall Fest September 14, 2024 10-6
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Hello All
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Your are invited to the Fall Fest in Cupertino this Saturday.? It is a
great event for the family and the Silicon Valley EVA chapter will be having a
booth and display cars.? Please come and stop by to say Hi and to get a
free die cast car for the little ones.? See you there.
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San Jose EVA meeting Saturday September 14, 2024 10-12
Hello All,
If you are interested in Electric Vehicles, consider attending one of our
meetings.
All EVA meetings are free and open to anyone who is interested in
Electric Vehicles (EVs).
The meetings are held on the 2nd Saturday of every month.
From 10 A.M. until 12 noon
The meetings are held at the Reid Hillview Airport terminal building.
Located at 2500 Cunningham Ave, San Jose, CA
Directions to the meetings are as follows.
Take Hwy. 101 to Hwy. 680 North, exit & turn right onto Capital
Expressway.
Travel on Capital Expressway West for approximately 2 miles;
turn right onto Cunningham. The meeting room is in the terminal at the
end of the road.
A typical meeting of the SJEVA is casual and informative. A round table
is held after chapter business is completed. Topics are typically very
technical from the folks who are building and driving real world electric
vehicles today. Come attend a free EVA meeting and learn from EVA members
who have been building and driving Electric Vehicles for 50 years.
Become a San Jose EAA Member of our nonprofit organization and Show Your
Support for a cleaner public transportation option.
George Stuckert
Secretary, SJEVA
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Re: Chevy once again underestimates customers...
Agree, the lack of understanding and misconceptions is staggering for something that has been around this long.
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Paid Internship for College Student - available now
Hey Jerry, this is Pete Christensen at Breathe California.
We need to hire a student Intern ASAP for the fall semester working 15 to 20 hours per week on the Clean Cities program. ? Training will be provided.
It is a paid internship by the way, and it starts next Tuesday September 3rd.
We can extend the deadline for a week or so if needed, but no later than September 13th.
We'd love to have a college student who is enrolled in a masters program or at least working on an undergrad degree (although they do not need to be currently enrolled).? The internship would also include the winter and spring semesters. ?
The student can work remotely most of the time, however we would like them to come into the San Jose office one day a week, hopefully on Wednesdays. ?
There is a 3 week break between semesters that is unpaid and there is also one unpaid week during each semester. If you know of anyone who would be a good match for this opening,
please contact Pete Christensen directly via email at petechris23@...?
Thanks,?
Pete
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Re: Chevy once again underestimates customers...
I agree with Jeff wholeheartedly. I am often amazed at how little some people know about EVs/Charging, etc at NDEW and DEEM EV Display Days. And also about what misinformation they have about EVs.
Sybil
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On Aug 25, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Jeff Chan via groups.io <eaasv@...> wrote:
On Sun, 2024-08-25 at 06:30 -0400, Peter Blackford wrote:
Anyone else find the latest Chevy EV ad insulting?
"Chevy lets you begin each day fully charged....."
Yeah, just like EVERY OTHER EV (if you remember to plug it in!:
Sheesh!
Actually I find this excellent: GM is educating consumers about one of
the very major benefits of EVs: the ability to refuel at any place
that has electricity, particularly overnight charging at home.
For non-EV drivers this may literally be something they've never
thought of and it's definitely one of the best things about EV
driving.
It's in a more positive, educational vein than the Nissan Leaf ads
many years ago with gasoline engine powered cell phones, ICE powered
walkmen, etc., showing the absurdity of needing to burn fossil fuels
to power things, as a benefit of using electricity instead.
So no, I don't take it as an insult. I take it as potentially
massively growing the EV market by hopefully educating millions of
more people that an EV can be charged overnight at home and have a
"full tank" every morning, without ever needing to leave home to go to
a gas station.
Literally not everyone knows this yet.
Cheers,
Jeff C.
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Re: Chevy once again underestimates customers...
On Sun, 2024-08-25 at 06:30 -0400, Peter Blackford wrote: Anyone else find the latest Chevy EV ad insulting?
"Chevy lets you begin each day fully charged....."
Yeah, just like EVERY OTHER EV (if you remember to plug it in!:
Sheesh! Actually I find this excellent: GM is educating consumers about one of the very major benefits of EVs: the ability to refuel at any place that has electricity, particularly overnight charging at home. For non-EV drivers this may literally be something they've never thought of and it's definitely one of the best things about EV driving. It's in a more positive, educational vein than the Nissan Leaf ads many years ago with gasoline engine powered cell phones, ICE powered walkmen, etc., showing the absurdity of needing to burn fossil fuels to power things, as a benefit of using electricity instead. So no, I don't take it as an insult. I take it as potentially massively growing the EV market by hopefully educating millions of more people that an EV can be charged overnight at home and have a "full tank" every morning, without ever needing to leave home to go to a gas station. Literally not everyone knows this yet. Cheers, Jeff C.
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Chevy once again underestimates customers...
Anyone else find the latest Chevy EV ad insulting? "Chevy lets you begin each day fully charged....." Yeah, just like EVERY OTHER EV (if you remember to plug it in!: Sheesh!
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Re: V2G Ongoing Discussion
Dave, thanks for this excellent article.
Not mentioned were the circa-2011 University of Delaware proof-of-concept demonstrations using the BMW Mini-e which utilized the AC Propulsion technology.
There is so much more benefit to accessing the energy available in an EV's huge battery pack than the relatively-small residential battery-backup systems presently available.
The future has been here for many years - what is needed is collaboration amongst vehicle manufacturers, utilities, governments, etc., to establish and agree and implement hardware and protocol (ISO 15118?) so we can move ahead.
A google search of V2G shows lots of activity, but I'm afraid that implementation will not occur in my lifetime. :-(
JoeS
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On Aug 23, 2024, at 08:19, dave noran via groups.io <dave_noran@...> wrote:
The very interesting history of V2G .....
.... which concludes with a good analysis of current status.
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Re: [Shared Post] 'A game changer': How giant batteries are making California's power grid stronger, and reducing the risk of blackouts during heat waves
The very interesting history of V2G .....
.... which concludes with a good analysis of current status.
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Hello All
Thank you for your reply about my problem with the backup camera on my
Model 3 not working and causing the cruise control also to the work.
Went to the Tesla Service yesterday and they diagnosed the problem to be
the cable to the camera. I got a recall notice April of this year, but
since I was not having any problem, I ignored it. Service is coming to
my house Monday to replace the cable. Thanks again for your support and
hope to see you all at the Ride and Drive at Lake Cunningham park.
George
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Re: [Shared Post] 'A game changer': How giant batteries are making California's power grid stronger, and reducing the risk of blackouts during heat waves
On Thu, 2024-08-22 at 13:48 -0700, Arthur Keller wrote: What's delaying
V2G?
Fear of power leaking onto grid when the grid is down.? In other
words, energizing a line when it is down is dangerous to line
workers trying to repair the outage.
Best regards,
Arthur Presumably the V2G protocol takes this into account and doesn't energize a depowered line. Jeff C.
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Re: [Shared Post] 'A game changer': How giant batteries are making California's power grid stronger, and reducing the risk of blackouts during heat waves
I beg to differ!
Every PV to grid setup (rooftop solar) has a grid following inverter that disconnects from the grid when it is down.
This is a proven and approved technology. ?It is safe for line workers.?
Illustrating this, Ford’s V2G (V2H until utilities allow V2G) inverter is a modified Sunrun rooftop solar inverter. ?(V2HG/H/L = Vehicle to Grid/Home/Load)
DIY folks have used off the shelf grid-tie solar inverters to do V2G, but they are either on at full inverter capacity or off. ?I know of an individual that uses this technique to extract DC current from an unmodified EV via its charge port and puts 5KW onto the grid.?
This by itself IS a fine solution for shedding fossil fuels from the grid. ?Understandably, the utilities would like to have some say as to when these blocks of power are added to the grid, but currently they don’t seem interested in allowing it at all.
Perhaps a Virtual Power Plant could step in to do the inverter coordination and sell the power on the 15 minute spot market, as there are the highest contract prices for electricity.?
Using stock PV inverters doesn’t allow for V2Home or V2Load, but those are unimportant in solving global climate change.?
Please lobby your PUC, utilities, politicians, vehicle and charger manufacturers, and VPPs to add budget electric vehicle based grid storage to our climate recovery portfolio.?
Thanks.?
Lawrence?
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On Aug 22, 2024, at 1:48?PM, Arthur Keller <arthur@...> wrote: ? What's delaying V2G?
Fear of power leaking onto grid when the grid is down. ?In other words, energizing a line when it is down is dangerous to line workers trying to repair the outage.
Best regards, Arthur On Aug 22, 2024, at 1:06?PM, Jeff Chan <eaasv@...> wrote:
On Thu, 2024-08-22 at 21:04 +0300, David Herron wrote:The combination of wind+solar+storage (and maybe hydro) is a
renewable
energy solution.
Apparently, California now has enough grid-scale storage installed
to be
able to time-shift lots of excess solar-power from daytime
production to
evening consumption.? I know of this from Tweets by Prof. Mark
Jacobson
throughout this year.
The issue is what's called "The Duck Curve" which refers to the
shape of
energy production on the grid as more and more solar resources come
online.? When the evening comes, the sun goes down, the winds tend
to die
down, then renewable energy is not available, and the utility
companies
have to quickly ramp up something like natural gas peaker plants.
The purpose of the grid-scale energy storage is to instead soak up
solar
energy during the day, release it during the evening/night, and
avoid using
fossil fuel plants.
"Energy storage" doesn't have to be lithium-ion batteries.? For
example
there is "solar thermal" systems that can heat up something simple
like
rocks, that can later be used to drive a turbine.
Thermal storage is about 60% round trip efficiency. ?Can be higher ifthe heat has other uses, like heating.Battery round trip efficiency is about 80%. ?Pumped hydro and gravitystorage about the same.One massive storage resource currently being underutlized is Vehicleto Grid. ?Perhaps David has good numbers for this, but how much potentiallyuseful grid storage is there in EV battery packs? ??What's delayingV2G?Cheers,Jeff C.
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What's delaying V2G?
Fear of power leaking onto grid when the grid is down. ?In other words, energizing a line when it is down is dangerous to line workers trying to repair the outage.
Best regards,
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On Aug 22, 2024, at 1:06?PM, Jeff Chan <eaasv@...> wrote:
On Thu, 2024-08-22 at 21:04 +0300, David Herron wrote:The combination of wind+solar+storage (and maybe hydro) is a
renewable
energy solution.
Apparently, California now has enough grid-scale storage installed
to be
able to time-shift lots of excess solar-power from daytime
production to
evening consumption.? I know of this from Tweets by Prof. Mark
Jacobson
throughout this year.
The issue is what's called "The Duck Curve" which refers to the
shape of
energy production on the grid as more and more solar resources come
online.? When the evening comes, the sun goes down, the winds tend
to die
down, then renewable energy is not available, and the utility
companies
have to quickly ramp up something like natural gas peaker plants.
The purpose of the grid-scale energy storage is to instead soak up
solar
energy during the day, release it during the evening/night, and
avoid using
fossil fuel plants.
"Energy storage" doesn't have to be lithium-ion batteries.? For
example
there is "solar thermal" systems that can heat up something simple
like
rocks, that can later be used to drive a turbine.
Thermal storage is about 60% round trip efficiency. ?Can be higher ifthe heat has other uses, like heating.Battery round trip efficiency is about 80%. ?Pumped hydro and gravitystorage about the same.One massive storage resource currently being underutlized is Vehicleto Grid. ?Perhaps David has good numbers for this, but how much potentiallyuseful grid storage is there in EV battery packs? ??What's delayingV2G?Cheers,Jeff C.
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Re: [Shared Post] 'A game changer': How giant batteries are making California's power grid stronger, and reducing the risk of blackouts during heat waves
On Thu, 2024-08-22 at 21:04 +0300, David Herron wrote: The combination of wind+solar+storage (and maybe hydro) is a
renewable
energy solution.
Apparently, California now has enough grid-scale storage installed
to be
able to time-shift lots of excess solar-power from daytime
production to
evening consumption.? I know of this from Tweets by Prof. Mark
Jacobson
throughout this year.
The issue is what's called "The Duck Curve" which refers to the
shape of
energy production on the grid as more and more solar resources come
online.? When the evening comes, the sun goes down, the winds tend
to die
down, then renewable energy is not available, and the utility
companies
have to quickly ramp up something like natural gas peaker plants.
The purpose of the grid-scale energy storage is to instead soak up
solar
energy during the day, release it during the evening/night, and
avoid using
fossil fuel plants.
"Energy storage" doesn't have to be lithium-ion batteries.? For
example
there is "solar thermal" systems that can heat up something simple
like
rocks, that can later be used to drive a turbine. Thermal storage is about 60% round trip efficiency. Can be higher if the heat has other uses, like heating. Battery round trip efficiency is about 80%. Pumped hydro and gravity storage about the same. One massive storage resource currently being underutlized is Vehicle to Grid. ? Perhaps David has good numbers for this, but how much potentially useful grid storage is there in EV battery packs? What's delaying V2G? Cheers, Jeff C.
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Re: [Shared Post] 'A game changer': How giant batteries are making California's power grid stronger, and reducing the risk of blackouts during heat waves
The combination of wind+solar+storage (and maybe hydro) is a renewable energy solution.
Apparently, California now has enough grid-scale storage installed to be able to time-shift lots of excess solar-power from daytime production to evening consumption.? I know of this from Tweets by Prof. Mark Jacobson throughout this year.
The issue is what's called "The Duck Curve" which refers to the shape of energy production on the grid as more and more solar resources come online.? When the evening comes, the sun goes down, the winds tend to die down, then renewable energy is not available, and the utility companies have to quickly ramp up something like natural gas peaker plants.
The purpose of the grid-scale energy storage is to instead soak up solar energy during the day, release it during the evening/night, and avoid using fossil fuel plants.
"Energy storage" doesn't have to be lithium-ion batteries.? For example there is "solar thermal" systems that can heat up something simple like rocks, that can later be used to drive a turbine.
-- This video might have some information.? The guy who recorded this video is in Ukraine, and has been researching and talking about cheap technology for solar thermal systems.
As for "restricting electric use during the hottest part of the day" and TOU?pricing ...
There is a thing called Demand Response.? There is a protocol, OpenADR, that is frequently used for implementing Demand Response programs.? I have for the last 2 years been implementing software that can be used to build an OpenADR program.
These have been in use in California for many years.? For example owners of pool pumps can sign up with a demand response system and if the electric grid is in trouble the pool pump can be turned off for a couple of hours and the pool pump owner is compensated for that service.
Consumers have been willing to sign up for such programs and get compensated for their service.
The purpose for which I've been implementing OpenADR is to bring this to electric vehicle charging systems.? I'm working for an EV charging network that operates in the New York City area.? The idea we're looking at is to modify the EV charging rate based on the needs of the local electricity grid.
As for "the average consumer does not want to be bothered with restricting their electric use during the hottest part of the day" ... yeah, I have some experience about that this summer.
Here in Romania?where I'm currently living, it's been a brutally hot summer, and the national electric grid nearly collapsed in July due to a massive heat wave.
One thing which happened is the Minister of Energy issued a request for citizens to do an informal demand/response - that is to limit electricity consumption during the evening.? But, this drew an angry response in that people wash their clothes etc during the evening.
The Minister of Energy also said they're exploring demand response systems.? I've been unsuccessful in finding out more details, however.
+ David Herron
Dave,
You have a couple of good points, grid-scale storage is not the holy
grail, and electric rates for most Californians are sky-high, and
not just because of the peak-consumption problem.? I'm not that
familiar with SCE, but for those of us in PGE territory, some of
those costs are the result of huge legal settlements due to
wildfires, and the capital cost of moving distribution lines
underground.
Time-shifting the load on the grid is certainly cheaper than battery
farms, but would TOU billing in practice be more effective than
batteries?? That's not really addressed in the KTLA news article,
but in my experience the average consumer does not want to be
bothered with restricting their electric use during the hottest part
of the day.? One could even guess that this mindset is the reason
that EV adoption has been so difficult:? why would Joe Average Guy
want to spend half an hour parked at a charging station when they
could fill up their ICE vehicle at a gas station in 5 minutes?? I'm
not saying I agree with this thinking, but sadly, it is pervasive.
Ben
On 8/21/2024 8:58 AM, dave noran via
wrote:
Ben,??
Right
about now electricity customers in SoCal would like grid-scale
battery
storage to be at fuller fruition.
Time
of use billing would appear to be far more effective and/or
cheaper for
utilities
than larger batteries at reducing blackouts.
namaste
On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 12:59:43 PM PDT, Ben White
<benwhite@...> wrote:
Today's Mercury News (8/18/2024) has an
article describing how
grid-scale battery storage has come to
fruition in California.? Our fair
state now has more battery storage than
anywhere else, except China.?
The full article is linked below, but you
might need to subscribe to
read it.
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Re: [Shared Post] 'A game changer': How giant batteries are making California's power grid stronger, and reducing the risk of blackouts during heat waves
Dave,
You have a couple of good points, grid-scale storage is not the holy
grail, and electric rates for most Californians are sky-high, and
not just because of the peak-consumption problem.? I'm not that
familiar with SCE, but for those of us in PGE territory, some of
those costs are the result of huge legal settlements due to
wildfires, and the capital cost of moving distribution lines
underground.
Time-shifting the load on the grid is certainly cheaper than battery
farms, but would TOU billing in practice be more effective than
batteries?? That's not really addressed in the KTLA news article,
but in my experience the average consumer does not want to be
bothered with restricting their electric use during the hottest part
of the day.? One could even guess that this mindset is the reason
that EV adoption has been so difficult:? why would Joe Average Guy
want to spend half an hour parked at a charging station when they
could fill up their ICE vehicle at a gas station in 5 minutes?? I'm
not saying I agree with this thinking, but sadly, it is pervasive.
Ben
On 8/21/2024 8:58 AM, dave noran via
groups.io wrote:
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Ben,??
Right
about now electricity customers in SoCal would like grid-scale
battery
storage to be at fuller fruition.
Time
of use billing would appear to be far more effective and/or
cheaper for
utilities
than larger batteries at reducing blackouts.
namaste
On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 12:59:43 PM PDT, Ben White
<benwhite@...> wrote:
Today's Mercury News (8/18/2024) has an
article describing how
grid-scale battery storage has come to
fruition in California.? Our fair
state now has more battery storage than
anywhere else, except China.?
The full article is linked below, but you
might need to subscribe to
read it.
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Re: Fw: Problem with Tesla Model 3
On Wed, 2024-08-21 at 16:13 -0700, Jeff Chan wrote: On Wed, 2024-08-21 at 15:20 -0700, gstuckert1@...?wrote:
Hello All
For the last couple of days I have been having an intermittent
problem
with my Model 3.? Sometimes when I start the car there is a
warning
message about the brake hold not working.? Also, the backup camera
and
cruise control does not work.? The next time I drive the car,
everything
works.? Has anyone else experienced this problem and what is the
fix?
Thanks!
George
Hi George,
Have not had this problem.? My Model 3 for all practical purposes is
a
perfect car, and one of the best cars ever made.? I am a lifelong
car
enthusiast, racer and general car nut.
Tesla issued a recall for the video cable that connects to the rear
camera in the trunk lid.? They used a solid core cable in some cars
that can eventually wear out.? The recall action is to install a
clip
to increase the bend radius around a corner, or replace the cable if
it's actually worn.? Wear may vary based on the number of times the
trunk has been opened and/or other factors.
All of my few interactions with Tesla service have been very
positive.
Suggest you contact them. Technical tip for all Tesla drivers: if you think your car has a fault, push the voice response botton (usually right button on steering wheel) and say "bug report" then describe the problem. This stores and flanks recent log files for analysis by Tesla. Tesla has telematics for all the cars that records service information, faults, diagnostics, etc., automatically. The bug report feature flags events and helps tie them to service requests. The cars log everything and Tesla usually knows about faults automatically. Jeff C.
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Re: Fw: Problem with Tesla Model 3
Oh my!? As a wire and cable engineer, I can only say "what were they thinking???". Solid core (single strand) cable has no place in a vehicle, period.? The cheap-out "remedy" of increasing the bend radius WILL bite them in the backside, mark my words.
On Wed, 2024-08-21 at 15:20 -0700, gstuckert1@... wrote:
>
> Hello All
>
> For the last couple of days I have been having an intermittent
> problem
> with my Model 3.? Sometimes when I start the car there is a warning
> message about the brake hold not working.? Also, the backup camera
> and
> cruise control does not work.? The next time I drive the car,
> everything
> works.? Has anyone else experienced this problem and what is the
> fix?
> Thanks!
>
> George
Hi George,
Have not had this problem.? My Model 3 for all practical purposes is a
perfect car, and one of the best cars ever made.? I am a lifelong car
enthusiast, racer and general car nut.
Tesla issued a recall for the video cable that connects to the rear
camera in the trunk lid.? They used a solid core cable in some cars
that can eventually wear out.? The recall action is to install a clip
to increase the bend radius around a corner, or replace the cable if
it's actually worn.? Wear may vary based on the number of times the
trunk has been opened and/or other factors.
All of my few interactions with Tesla service have been very positive.
Suggest you contact them.
Jeff C.
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Re: Fw: Problem with Tesla Model 3
On Wed, 2024-08-21 at 15:20 -0700, gstuckert1@... wrote:
Hello All
For the last couple of days I have been having an intermittent
problem
with my Model 3.? Sometimes when I start the car there is a warning
message about the brake hold not working.? Also, the backup camera
and
cruise control does not work.? The next time I drive the car,
everything
works.? Has anyone else experienced this problem and what is the
fix?
Thanks!
George
Hi George, Have not had this problem. My Model 3 for all practical purposes is a perfect car, and one of the best cars ever made. I am a lifelong car enthusiast, racer and general car nut. Tesla issued a recall for the video cable that connects to the rear camera in the trunk lid. They used a solid core cable in some cars that can eventually wear out. The recall action is to install a clip to increase the bend radius around a corner, or replace the cable if it's actually worn. Wear may vary based on the number of times the trunk has been opened and/or other factors. All of my few interactions with Tesla service have been very positive. Suggest you contact them. Jeff C.
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David Herron