EZ81 - series resistor - first cap in CLCLC filters
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Dear All I'm going to do my first PSU... tnx for this amazing tool that is PSUD. I am implementing a PSU for an high quality line stage. The load on the PSU will not be more than 40ma and the final B+ should be about 250V. I have several EZ81 around, so that will me my rectifier. The PSU will be a CLCLC. I hope somebody can help with this: 1. I read that it's better to put a resistor in series with the EZ81 between the secondary and the tube, what do you think? Any experience with that? 2. I was told that it's best to have the first cap really small, something below 15uF. I saw cases where people use a first cap of 47uF and cases where people use 1uF... what's the sonic difference? I tried to simulate both, of course I get different ripple and mostly different rise time. I'm interested in sound, do these choice impact sound significantly? I hope somebody is willing to help Best Wishes to all Pierre
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Max vac on xfmr sec.
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Can the max vac on the sec of the plate xfmr be increased...... like up to 15 kvac ? As is, it's maxed at 10 kvac. ( aprx 14.14 kvdc with a FWB and C input filter). I was trying to simulate a 21 kvdc B+ supply...and can't. That was for a water cooled transmit tube. In other cases, 30 kvdc is required for a hi-pot tester....( for testing insulation break down, or between elements in a tube). Used for all sorts of various applications. is this difficult to add on ? Or can it be part of the ....'PSUD-3' ?
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Can't Load Any PSU
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Today I tried to load PSU files and always get the same layout which is the stock after install file. Beta 78 & 79 behave the same. PSU files I'm trying to load are all correct date and differ considerably when viewed in a text editor. Files date from two to four years ago. PSUD uninstalled and Beta 79 installed again. Note loaded file in bar: Same cct. -- - Ian
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Locked
RV: PSUDII giving enough power but real world not!!!
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Hi Duncan, Tried without the choke with success. Regards Felipe De: felipe cerrillo vindel <fcv@...> Enviado: lunes, 17 de febrero de 2025 12:28 Para: [email protected] <[email protected]> Asunto: PSUDII giving enough power but real world not!!! Hi Duncan, Attached simulations with PSUDII of the PSU not giving enough power but real world not enough power, any idea why? Thanks & regards Felipe De: [email protected] <[email protected]> en nombre de Duncan Munro <duncan@...> Enviado: sábado, 12 de febrero de 2022 22:47 Para: [email protected] <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [duncanampspsud] Rectifiers.txt Hi Felipe, This is the old version so the previous advice will not help you. Could you please email your rectifiers.txt file to me at postmaster@... and I will take a look at it for you, thanks. Regards, Duncan
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Common mode chokes?
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Hello, I use a common mode choke in my power supplies, but I'm really just guessing about the results I'm getting. I'd prefer to model them in software, but I can't figure out how to include one in yours. See Fig. 8: https://www.circuitfeed.com/home/analog-circuit/power-supply/rectifiers/uncontrolled-rectifier/bridge-rectifiers-calculation-filter-circuit-diagram-and-working/ Except in my circuits, the +/- rails are split with the ground in the center. I use a rail splitter circuit for that. His simulation seems to show very good performance, but I'd like to be able to do this in your software. I've tried to do it in a spice simulator like Tina Ti, but I can't get it to work. That's why I prefer your software. Thanks.
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5AR4 model
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Hi Duncan I have downloaded psud2_build79, and I think I need to create a new rectifier model to cover the GZ34/5AR4. On the other hand it looks like it might already be modelled in a library of rectifiers (that I can't find). Sorry to be dim-witted Duncan. Is there already a pre-existing model, or do I scratch build the model? Cheers Stephen Spicer firstsinhifi.com
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PSUDII giving enough power but real world not!!!
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Hi Duncan, Attached simulations with PSUDII of the PSU not giving enough power but real world not enough power, any idea why? Thanks & regards Felipe De: [email protected] <[email protected]> en nombre de Duncan Munro <duncan@...> Enviado: sábado, 12 de febrero de 2022 22:47 Para: [email protected] <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [duncanampspsud] Rectifiers.txt Hi Felipe, This is the old version so the previous advice will not help you. Could you please email your rectifiers.txt file to me at postmaster@... and I will take a look at it for you, thanks. Regards, Duncan
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How to run PSUD on macOS or Linux/ARM?
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Hello Looking for ways to make PSUD work on my Apple computer (M1 chip). I am running macOS or Linux (in a virtual ARM machine). Thanks for any hints or ideas!
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Hello everyone. I'm looking to build a super smooth 5v linear supply
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Hello, Trying to dersign a circuit for a super regulated and smoothes 5v linear power supply for a DAC. Does anyone know where the PSUD2 download is located? Thanks Joe
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PSUD chart colours (was Adding up all the currents! I'm lost!)
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Thanks for the feedback. As a user of PSUD myself :) I'm painfully aware that the yellow lines aren't helpful, nor is the random cycling. Both of these have been dialled out in the design for PSUD3. While the colours are allocated in pseudo-random order to start with, the colours are darker and they will stick with the trace during the lifecycle of the file. There's a whole bunch of improvements around the charting which are: Colours are auto-allocated to start with as with PSUD2, but that's where the similarity ends Darker colours are used (pls see screen snip below) You can pick your own colours for each trace and these will not change from session to session, the choices are saved with the file There is an option for different line thicknesses There is an option for different line types 2/4/5 above will help with printing out on black and white printers - I have a cheap A4 laser printer that has really grown on me as it's convenient and cheap to run. Great news; so where's PSUD3? The problem I have is that the charting component that is used to display the different voltages and currents has some challenges which are holding up PSUD3 right now. The first is that line thicknesses greater than 1 slow the display down considerably, no idea why. And I means slow. The second is that the X axis which shows the time seems to get cluttered up with a bunch of textual rubbish when you zoom right in on a long simulation - this needs to be fixed as it's unreadable. My plan is to write my own chart component that is optimised for PSUD and will give a clean display and good performance. So... this was just to let you know what's happening and that all the feedback is being captured. Regards, Duncan
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Adding up all the currents! I'm lost!
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Hi all, I am attempting to understand this PSU2 app. I want to design a power supply for a tube amp that has a B+ of around 350Vdc, and B+1 at about 330Vdc, and my final B+2 (preamp supply) at about 180Vdc. But I have yet to get it to match on my bench test bed. I think the main issues is the load! and the current being drawn. I have a PT that can supply about 100mA at 325-0-325. Meaning 650V, then after the rectifier I have about 477Vdc.Which is way too high for my 6V6 tubes!. I then use 3 zener diode of 33V drop to bring down the voltage to about 380Vdc. at my first C1 cap. (meaning that is B+). However, depending on the load I put on the PS, changes this of course, and I am reading in the range of about 300Vdc. Right now as a test, I put a 5K resistor at the end of the line. My question for you all. is in regrades to current draw. On the PSU designer it shows in the chart, the calculated RMS voltage and current. To get my total current being pulled from the transformer do I add up all these currents? If so, then I have way exceeded the max current on this transformer! Additionally, I am totally guessing on how to load down this PS. I stuck that 5K on the end. Its drawing about 30mA at C3. But is that too much? or too little? I know a typical 6V6 push pull amp would put out about 15W at about 125mA. But I am designing this to run at a much lower wattage. Something more like 10W or even 8W if possible. See my simulation below. the voltage at C1, C2, C3. would be acceptable, if the currents were correct and my load correct. But with these component values on my real test bed, I am a bit off. Please note, that since the PSU app does not allow you to add in series diodes, I had to fudge the T1 voltage to compensate for a 99V drop, so you will see it listed at 285V, not the 325V it is speced for. Please help. Do I have the correct values for R1 and R2, R3? Thanks.
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Where is “download PSUD2” now?
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I’m looking to download the software for MAC but somehow I can’t find any software download on /g/duncanampspsud Thanks
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Ripple current ?
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On a simple FWB rectifier with a high C filter cap....... is the result RMS I(C1)..... the same as the AC ripple current going into the cap ??? On another note ( using the same above config) I noticed that the RMS xfmr current I (T1) x RMS V(T1) results in a LOT more rms AC power..... vs just the V(L1) x I (L1)..... like a lot more, like 53.7% more. Put another way DC load power / AC power = .65 Am I assuming the Power factor is just .65? On another note ( using the same above FWB + filter cap config).....when comparing V (T1) vs I (T1) ...under full load..... that the peak of the current pulse sits dead center in the middle of the (now flattened to a straight line) peak of the voltage. I believe the flattened Voltage portion is what is causing the harmonics going back into the mains V. It also appears that there is no leading / lagging going on. The top of the current pulse is dead center in the flattened portion of the top of the voltage peak. Since there appears to be no leading / lagging..... where is the lousy...'apparent power factor' coming from ?? The config is as follows. Plate xfmr with 240 vac input ( 60 hz)....and a 5225 vac secondary ( no load). Hypersil C core xfmr. .1 ohm dc pri resistance. And a 6.0 ohm dc sec resistance. Source resistance = 53.39 ohms. Sec winding rated at 3 amps CCS. Xfmr weight = 253 lbs. FWB consists of 24 x 6A10 diodes ) 1 kv piv / 6 amps CCS / 400 amps surge rated) in series for EACH of the 4 x legs of the FWB. Then two identical FWB assy's are wired in parallel. 192 x diodes in total used. Filter cap is 800 uf ( 25 x 10,000uf @ 450 vdc lytics in series, each with a 100k @ 3 watt, 1% MOF across each cap ( aka...'eq' resistors). 2 x banks of caps are wired in parallel ( 400+400 = 800 uf). Each cap is just .0159 ohm for ESR @ 120 hz. Total for the 50 x lytics = .19875 ohms. Each lytic is 3.0" diam x 8.625" tall.. .and weigh 3.3 lbs each. Ripple current rated at 21.6 amps CCS. I have been using PSUD-2 in various high voltage configurations for eons now. FWCT, FWB, FWD. Plane C filter....and also a C-L-C configuration . For the C1-L-C2 config, I noticed that the C2 cap has to be a bare minimum of at least the same value as the C1 cap....and preferably a lot more. If the C2 cap is lower than the C1 cap value, the output DC voltage oscillates wildly, till it finally settles down. I also have the option of shunting out the L ( via a vacuum relay) to turn it into one big C filter. I also installed an adjustable spark gap across the 4H choke terminals. ( choke is also a hypersil C core type, 127 lbs, and rated for 3 amps CCS and 10 kvdc). For safety purposes, the entire choke is well insulated from the bottom of the rack cabinet. I have built plenty of HV B+ supplies over the years. I'm just not clear on the 'apparent PF' issue, V flattening / harmonics . AC ripple measurements. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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What happened to the macos files folder?
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Hi, I've been trying to find the dmg build files but it seems like the folder has been removed from the files section? Duncan can you please reupload it? Best Regards Miguel
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How to add loads at different points along the filter chain?
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I am designing a PSU for a valve amp, and I want to supply the power amp from after the first LC filter stage, and the preamp from after the next RC filter stage of the power supply. What is the correct way to add the loads in the simulation schematic?
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PSUD3 Windows Beta / Preview edition
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Hi all, I'm still working on PSUD3 but thought I would pass it out in Beta form for comment to a small number of participants to get feedback on any potential major flaws. I'd like to keep the initial batch small as there will likely be numerous comments; many comments times many people will turn it into a circus, so I'd say about 10 people would be a good number to feed back initially on the very raw version. If the wheels don't fall off in grand style, this number could be increased after a couple of weeks. So... the next 10 people to reply to this message saying they want to be involved will receive a Beta copy of the software with a 30 day lifespan for them to have a look at and feed back via a private email list. It will just be Windows to start with; it makes sense to avoid fighting fires on multiple fronts until the basic structure is in place and correct. What I'm looking for is people who will run a bunch of different power supplies through, check accuracy / differences against PSUD2, and above all feed back the comments. Please avoid taking up a slot on the initial program if you've no in interest in doing that or just want to see what PSUD3 looks like out of curiosity. Some features, such as chart printing, are incomplete and the help file is probably more comedy than help right now, so please bear this in mind :) If you need a refresher on what PSUD3 is meant to look like, there's a video here -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfawEfqjcWY Regards, Duncan
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Anode series resistor
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Dear Members I am trying to design a PSU for a simple ECC88 line stage with a broken PSU. The original one has SS rectification but I'd like to rebuild it completely using EZ81 followed by CLCLC filtering. The reason for the EZ81 is that I have a lot of them! I used the super-cool PSUD2 software but I have some problems because it says that the input current at start is too much. I need to feed a 40mA load at B+ = 250V The max input cap suggested for the EZ81 is 50uF so I played around with values like 30uF and 25uF but the PSUD2 still says that there are problems. I should keepp the first cap down to 10-15uF to solve the problem... but I've never seen such a small input cap in a CLCLC filter. Now, searching the web I found people saying that with the EZ81 it is important to reach the series resistance stated in the datasheet. My transformer has a secondary rated at 70 Ohms so probably I need something around 100 Ohm. This resistor should go between the secondary and the EZ81's anode, but it seems it is not possible to add it on PSDU2. I am almost sure that this is the same setting 170 Ohm in the secondary in PSUD2, am I right? The other thing is about experiences with the EZ81. If somebody worked with this tube and he's willing to share some experiences, it would be great to get any suggestion! Regards Pierre
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Modelling Dual-Output-Voltage supplies
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Can PSUD2 model the "dual voltage" circuit? This is where the topology looks like a bridge circuit with four diodes, but you also tap the circuit to get a second output as a full-wave voltage. Typically the bridge voltage is about 2x the bridge voltage. Thanks. 73 de Martin, G3EDM
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MacOS -- new hassle
I have not touched a Mac in a decade. But a geek site reports that Mac is going to be less friendly toward un-signed apps: "... The right-click/control-click option for easily opening unsigned apps is no longer available. Users who want to open unsigned software will now need to go the long way around to do it: first, ... ... ..." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/macos-15-sequoia-makes-you-jump-through-more-hoops-to-disable-gatekeeper-app-checks/ The essay also says why this matters less for BIG developers, and is critical for "hobby" software like PSUD.
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Modelling PSUD2 into a voltage regulator
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I have a design I want to explore to power a 5V device that consumes up to 3A on start up as the system boots up and consumes more power, and then settles and takes a steady state at 240mA How is this best modelled to make sense of the war DC design before the regulator Any ideas/experience? Thanks
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