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Hello!
New to the group, thanks for allowing me to post.
I've been running APRS/Dire Wolf mobile tracker successfully since 2020 with the same physical setup. My SD became corrupt and like a dummy, never made a backup.
I'm trying to get it running again with Dire Wolf 1.8 Development D and having a couple issues:
I believe the issues are related but can't find the common denominator.
Dire Wolf launches without error using -dgt
I've attached the script that I'm using to create my new installation for reference.
ANY assistance would be greatly appreciated.
73 - AE9DM, Doug
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开云体育Hello Doug, I looked at your .docx file but it doesn't show the output of direwolf starting up.? Can you please add that? I've been running APRS/Dire Wolf mobile tracker successfully since 2020 with the same physical setup. My SD became corrupt and like a dummy, never made a backup. Hmmm.. bummer.? SD cards can die if you don't use good quality cards AND tune the Linux operating system to minimize writes.
I'm not sure what those coordinates are supposed to be.? Maybe you meant 40.417600, 89.287000 (the middle of China).? Anyway, this could be a matter of permissions.? Are you using gpsd with direwolf?? When you're doing testing with Direwolf, are you doing this OUTSIDE with a clear shot of the sky?? A lot of inexpensive GPSes just won't get a good lock w/o exceptional signal levels.? Btw, if you're using the gpsd approach with direwolf, you should be able to run tools like cgps/xgps/etc while direwolf is also running.? With that parallel view, you can confirm if you have good GPS lock, the location is correct, the time is correct, etc.
What makes you think your station isn't getting digipeted?? Not showing up on an APRS-IS map?? If so, that would be expected as you need to first send your location to APRS-IS before it will believe other data coming from your station.? You can work around this by sending a PBEACON with a static location just as a test.
Please show us all of that startup detail.
Few things in here: ?? - Which version of Raspberry Pi OS are you installing?? The GUI desktop or the Lite version with no GUI? ?? - The use of the "pi" username is deprecated.? Please use something else like "doug" or whatever ?? - Do NOT remove PulseAudio.? You will damage the resulting OS install.? Things might continue to work for Direwold since it can use ALSA directly but the GUI environment might have permanent issues. ?? - Your TXDELAY is way too fast.? Is this your radio ( )?? If so, that's an SDR based radio and most of those radios are very slow.. as such, I recommend to START at a setting of "45" meaning 450ms to properly key up and be stable on-frequency before the packet audio tones start getting played.? The final tuning might need more/less delay depending on how your radio actually performs.? You also might need more TXTAIL time as well. Using the overlay file system can really help minimize writes to the SD card but it can become a major PITA when you want to do OS updates, etc.? Your choice but if you want to see a less invasive list of hardening, see: ?? --David KI6ZHD |
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Lynn Deffenbaugh
开云体育Just correcting a few mis-statements
in the following.?? Nothing to help the original poster, but to
keep the record straight for other readers.
On 10/12/2024 6:30 PM, David Ranch
via groups.io wrote:
This is the APRS format of coordinates which is DDMM.MM and DDDMM.MM or 40 degrees 41.76 minutes North, 89 degrees 28.70 minutes (but he left off the W or E, but I suspect it is E).
The APRS-IS network doesn't care what packets come from a
station or what order those packets come.?? All packets that are
gated to the network are propagated through the network.?? Now
some viewing sites, like aprs.fi, might not show anything from a
station unless a position report has been heard, but that is
only the viewing site, not "APRS-IS". Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE
for Windows Mobile and Win32
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Sent:?Saturday, October 12, 2024 5:56 PM To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [direwolf] I need help! ?
What is shown on the screen?
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I've attached a screenshot of the DireWolf -dgt startup.
MY APRS Rig is fully outdoors.
I don't see a reply from a digipeater in response to my outgoing packet(s).
I am using Raspberry Pi 64-bit OS (Bookworm) with Pi desktop, 2024-07-04.
I have changed TXDELAY to 50, TXTAIL to 35 and still not getting "out"
My coordinates are for Central Illinois, USA, lat=40^41.47N long=089^28.37W
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Ranch via groups.io <direwolf-groupsio@...>
Sent:?Saturday, October 12, 2024 3:30 PM To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [direwolf] I need help! ?
Hello Doug, I looked at your .docx file but it doesn't show the output of direwolf starting up.? Can you please add that? I've been running APRS/Dire Wolf mobile tracker successfully since 2020 with the same physical setup. My SD became corrupt and like a dummy, never made a backup. Hmmm.. bummer.? SD cards can die if you don't use good quality cards AND tune the Linux operating system to minimize writes.
I'm not sure what those coordinates are supposed to be.? Maybe you meant 40.417600, 89.287000 (the middle of China).? Anyway, this could be a matter of permissions.? Are you using gpsd with direwolf?? When you're doing testing with Direwolf, are you doing this OUTSIDE with a clear shot of the sky?? A lot of inexpensive GPSes just won't get a good lock w/o exceptional signal levels.? Btw, if you're using the gpsd approach with direwolf, you should be able to run tools like cgps/xgps/etc while direwolf is also running.? With that parallel view, you can confirm if you have good GPS lock, the location is correct, the time is correct, etc.
What makes you think your station isn't getting digipeted?? Not showing up on an APRS-IS map?? If so, that would be expected as you need to first send your location to APRS-IS before it will believe other data coming from your station.? You can work around this by sending a PBEACON with a static location just as a test.
Please show us all of that startup detail.
Few things in here: ?? - Which version of Raspberry Pi OS are you installing?? The GUI desktop or the Lite version with no GUI? ?? - The use of the "pi" username is deprecated.? Please use something else like "doug" or whatever ?? - Do NOT remove PulseAudio.? You will damage the resulting OS install.? Things might continue to work for Direwold since it can use ALSA directly but the GUI environment might have permanent issues. ?? - Your TXDELAY is way too fast.? Is this your radio ( ?)?? If so, that's an SDR based radio and most of those radios are very slow.. as such, I recommend to START at a setting of "45" meaning 450ms to properly key up and be stable on-frequency before the packet audio tones start getting played.? The final tuning might need more/less delay depending on how your radio actually performs.? You also might need more TXTAIL time as well. Using the overlay file system can really help minimize writes to the SD card but it can become a major PITA when you want to do OS updates, etc.? Your choice but if you want to see a less invasive list of hardening, see: ?? --David KI6ZHD |
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The startup looks pretty good and it shows you're getting good coordinates from gpsd.? The only thing that needs improvement is your audio levels.? Your RX audio level is too high and you need to bring that down to about "50".? I don't see a reply from a digipeater in response to my outgoing packet(s). I would suspect your TX audio level needs tuning and it's resulting audio is corrupting the packets.? Can you listen to the transmissions on different radio to listen in and see how this station's transmissions sound compare to others on the same frequency?? The Direwolf User Guide gives some helpful tips on audio level tuning.
Ok, that's fine though I still don't recommend to remove pulseaudio.
That's a far more conservative number and will be a good starting point but you'll want to pull those numbers down to be more efficient with your on-air time.? It's not clear to me how to easily tune these values without an RF Service Monitor but maybe someone else on the list could provide some URLs of how regular operators might be able to do measurements here.. maybe with an SDR or something like that. --David KI6ZHD |
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Have you looked at the aprs.fi map for your area to see if there _are_ any digipeaters in your neighborhood? If there aren't any, there won't be anything to hear you. And there are many places in the US with poor or non-existent digipeater coverage. Also, remember that the 2-meter band is more-or-less line-of-sight; if you can't _see_ the digipeater antenna from your station's antenna, you probably won't get through.
I have a problem like that with my QTH on the north side of a hill, such that I can stand in my backyard on the ground and look _down_ at the antennas on my roof. Good thing for me there are digipeaters to the northwest and northeast of me to help me bounce around this chunk of granite. Andrew, KA2DDO ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dameiners@... via groups.io <dameiners@...> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2024 12:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [direwolf] I need help! I've attached a screenshot of the DireWolf -dgt startup. MY APRS Rig is fully outdoors. I don't see a reply from a digipeater in response to my outgoing packet(s). I am using Raspberry Pi 64-bit OS (Bookworm) with Pi desktop, 2024-07-04. I have changed TXDELAY to 50, TXTAIL to 35 and still not getting "out" My coordinates are for Central Illinois, USA, lat=40^41.47N long=089^28.37W ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Ranch via groups.io <direwolf-groupsio@...> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2024 3:30 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [direwolf] I need help! Hello Doug, I looked at your .docx file but it doesn't show the output of direwolf starting up. Can you please add that? I've been running APRS/Dire Wolf mobile tracker successfully since 2020 with the same physical setup. My SD became corrupt and like a dummy, never made a backup. Hmmm.. bummer. SD cards can die if you don't use good quality cards AND tune the Linux operating system to minimize writes. I'm trying to get it running again with Dire Wolf 1.8 Development D and having a couple issues: * GPS doesn't move within Dire Wolf (stuck at 4041.76N/08928.70) but moves with GPSMON I'm not sure what those coordinates are supposed to be. Maybe you meant 40.417600, 89.287000 (the middle of China). Anyway, this could be a matter of permissions. Are you using gpsd with direwolf? When you're doing testing with Direwolf, are you doing this OUTSIDE with a clear shot of the sky? A lot of inexpensive GPSes just won't get a good lock w/o exceptional signal levels. Btw, if you're using the gpsd approach with direwolf, you should be able to run tools like cgps/xgps/etc while direwolf is also running. With that parallel view, you can confirm if you have good GPS lock, the location is correct, the time is correct, etc. * Not getting digipeated I believe the issues are related but can't find the common denominator. What makes you think your station isn't getting digipeted? Not showing up on an APRS-IS map? If so, that would be expected as you need to first send your location to APRS-IS before it will believe other data coming from your station. You can work around this by sending a PBEACON with a static location just as a test. Dire Wolf launches without error using -dgt Please show us all of that startup detail. I've attached the script that I'm using to create my new installation for reference. Few things in here: - Which version of Raspberry Pi OS are you installing? The GUI desktop or the Lite version with no GUI? - The use of the "pi" username is deprecated. Please use something else like "doug" or whatever - Do NOT remove PulseAudio. You will damage the resulting OS install. Things might continue to work for Direwold since it can use ALSA directly but the GUI environment might have permanent issues. - Your TXDELAY is way too fast. Is this your radio ( )? If so, that's an SDR based radio and most of those radios are very slow.. as such, I recommend to START at a setting of "45" meaning 450ms to properly key up and be stable on-frequency before the packet audio tones start getting played. The final tuning might need more/less delay depending on how your radio actually performs. You also might need more TXTAIL time as well. Using the overlay file system can really help minimize writes to the SD card but it can become a major PITA when you want to do OS updates, etc. Your choice but if you want to see a less invasive list of hardening, see: --David KI6ZHD |
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I _just_checked aprs.fi, my PBEACON, while location needs tuning, went out!
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Good. So whether or not a digipeater heard you, an I-gate did to forward your packets.
On the other hand, did you configure Direwolf to talk to the APRS-IS, such that the packet was sent directly to the Internet without going over RF? Check the digipeat path of the packet on aprs.fi and see who forwarded your packet to the Internet (and if the packet went through any digipeaters before reaching the I-gate). Andrew, KA2DDO ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of dameiners@... via groups.io <dameiners@...> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2024 1:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [direwolf] I need help! I _just_checked aprs.fi, my PBEACON, while location needs tuning, went out! On Oct 13, 2024, at 11:56?AM, Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote: |
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I did NOT configure APRS-IS in Direwolf as it normally wouldn’t have an internet connection. I’m using hotspot on my phone during development only, pretty certain my packet went out via RF
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I am pondering a digipeater as my next project, have to come up with a radio. On Oct 13, 2024, at 12:12?PM, Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote: |
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Okay- -
I ran through my script again, changed:
?- Username to?dsm
?- left in?Pulse Audio
?- TXDELAY?50
?- TXTAIL?35
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Adjusted system volume, seems to be isolated to 1 inbound station now
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No errors from Direwolf at startup
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System is now transmitting every minute per APRS-fi raw data, as designed, but my GPS location is still stuck. (I’m on my 2nd GPS puck) cgps changed when I drove around the block, ~1/2 mile loop.
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Wondering if I don’t need the “sudo gpsd /dev/ttyACM0 -F /var/run/gpsd.sock” line
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Thanks again for all the assistance!
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开云体育Hello dameiners, I ran through my script again, changed: What did you use to adjust the audio?? You should use 1) pavucontrol to make sure the correct sound it routed to Direwolf, 2) I prefer alsamixer to set the actual audio levels and don't forget to 3) use the alsactl command to "store" and "restore audio levels after any computer reboot to restore the audio levels. System is now transmitting every minute per APRS-fi raw data, as designed, but my GPS location is still stuck. (I’m on my 2nd GPS puck) cgps changed when I drove around the block, ~1/2 mile loop. I think know where you're getting tripped up.? In your direwolf.conf file, you have a fixed PBEACON or position beacon.? Is that the beacon that you expect to be moving?? That one WON'T move.? The one that should move is the TBEACON (tracker beacon).? Instead of using your current setting of "TBEACON source=GPSD DELAY=0:05 EVERY=1:00 VIA=WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 SYMBOL=/k", try the default example from the Direwolf User Guide of: ?? TBEACON DELAY=0:30 EVERY=2:00 VIA=WIDE1-1 SYMBOL=car ?
Why do you say that?? Direwolf at startup is happy with the gpsd setting. --David KI6ZHD |
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Hello again!
I had to back burner my APRS project for a few months, but now I’m able to work on it again.
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Replying to the last message, I used alsamixer to adjust the volume, and stored the settings.
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I’m still not getting position to update in Direwolf. If I go for a drive and monitor cgps, the position changes as expected, however Direwolf remains static with the first position (at power on).
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I can force a position update by restarting my Pi, and Direwolf will send out a position report, verified by aprs.fi.
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I need help getting Direwolf connected to the “live” gps location.
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ANY assistance is greatly appreciated!
Doug
73 de AE9DM |
开云体育Hello Doug,
Just to reset, please post your direwolf.conf file.? In reviewing this old email thread, it's key that you're using a TBEACON setting (aka APRS SmartBeacon) if you want to have "live" position reports. Also, consider starting Direwolf with "-d t" to print out tracker beacon details on the terminal where you start Direwolf to learn more. --David KI6ZHD ?????? -d x?? Debug options.? Specify one or more of the following in place of x. ???????????????????? a = AGWPE network protocol client. ???????????????????? k = KISS serial port client. ???????????????????? n = Network KISS client. ???????????????????? u = Display non-ASCII text in hexadecimal. ???????????????????? p = Packet dump in hexadecimal. ???????????????????? g = GPS interface. ???????????????????? W = Waypoints for position or object reports. ???????????????????? t = Tracker beacon. ???????????????????? o = Output controls such as PTT and DCD. ???????????????????? i = IGate ???????????????????? h = Hamlib verbose level.? Repeat for more. ???????????????????? m = Monitor heard station list. ???????????????????? f = Packet filtering. ???????????????????? x = FX.25 increase verbose level. ???????????????????? d = APRStt (DTMF to APRS object conversion). |
开云体育Hello Doug, 1. Your direwolf.conf config looks ok but I have some ideas: ?? 1.a. There is trash in there like the following.? It's recommended to clean that up ? ? ? ? \xe0\xb8\xa7\xe0\xb8\xb4\xe0\xb8\x97\xe0\xb8\xa2\xe0\xb8\xb8\xe0\xb8\xaa\xe0\xb8\xa1\xe0\xb8\xb1\xe0\xb8\x84\xe0\xb8\xa3\xe0\xb9\x80\xe0\xb8\xa5\xe0\xb9\x88\xe0\xb8\x99" ?? 1.b.Your TBEACON line is sending both too often (every minute) and also sending to WIDE2-1. ?????? TBEACON DELAY=0:05 EVERY=1:00 VIA=WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 SYMBOL=/k ? ? ???? - To transmit less with your APRS tracker, simply add the term "SMARTBEACONING" without any other options to the direwolf.conf file ? ? ???? - If your in a urban area with a lot of APRS digipeaters around, WIDE1-1 should be more than enough ?? 1.c, At the bottom of your file, you have other items that need tuning: ?????? FX25TX 1?? - remove this, APRS generally does NOT use FX25, really only HF packet uses this ?????? PERSIST 63 - don't configure this, leave it to direwolf to set the defaults ?????? SLOTTIME 12 - don't configure this, leave it to direwolf to set the defaults ?????? RETRY 5???? - don't configure this, as this is mostly only for classic packet.. not APRS.? leave it to direwolf to set the defaults ?????? FRACK 5???? - don't configure this, leave it to direwolf to set the defaults ?????? MAXFRAME 4 - don't configure this, as this is mostly only for classic packet.. not APRS.? leave it to direwolf to set the defaults ?????? PACLEN 128? - don't configure this, as this is mostly only for classic packet.. not APRS.? leave it to direwolf to set the defaultsDWAIT 5 ?????? TXDELAY 50? - this is excessively high.? What radio do you have?? Set this to "25" to start and depending on which radio you have, this might come down to 12 (aka 120ms) ?????? TXTAIL 35??? - this is excessively high.? Per your orignal post "APRS\ Tracker.docx" file, you using an Rpi4, What OS (version and is the GUI running)?? What sound card?? Set this to "10" to start and depending on your setup you have, this might come down to 1, 5, or not needed at all 2. Your DIrewolf startup screen-capture but it's clear at least your RX mixer level needs to come down to a rough "50" average.? Since this is way out of whack, I have to assume your TX level is also wrong.? If that's wrong, no remote station will be able to decode your signals.? How confident are you that your sound mixer levels are correct?? Check out for some ideas.? Also see my commend below where you're NOT restoring your saved alsamixer levels.? This is bad! 3. Per your orignal post "APRS\ Tracker.docx" file, few thoughts: ??? - Do NOT remove PulseAudio.? This isn't nessisary and will most likely screw up the OS install ??? - this doc mentions the user "pi" which has been deprecated for a very long time.? You really should only be using Raspberry Pi OS Bookworm (Debian 12) these days ??? - While you are saving the alsamixer levels, you are NOT restoring them before you start direwolf.? You need to run "alsactl restore" before you run direwolf.? You can add this into the dw-start.sh script if you wish. ??? - Under your persistent storage section, all the hwclock stuff is actually for the GPS section and/or adding a RTC (highly recommended for any Raspberry Pi aprs node - --David KI6ZHD |
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