I agree that I took liberties with my answer bc I assumed what Joe wanted to know. There are a lot of other protocols if you are trying to protect others.?

Like they could wear masks around family for the first ~10 days they get to Spain. Probably unnecessary if they wear masks on the plane and are less social before they travel. Also, if the family in Spain already go around without masks, the risk that Joe et al present is most likely less than what they already expose themselves to. If just one person in their social pod goes out a lot without a mask it doesn't make as big a difference what Joe does.?

And even then they'd probably blame the people traveling for spreading covid.?

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Todd Rhoads

<todd@...> wrote:

Also to be fair, chang's answer is a lot more more clear but it also simplifies grey areas into black-and-white, which I'm sure is better for you, but isn't exactly supported by what the research summaries say. From what is reported, a 4th booster does in fact also boost your antibodies at least somewhat (which seems to be somewhat helpful not only against severe disease, but also probably to some degree toward getting infected at all) - but only, it seems, for a short term - like a couple of months, perhaps. But that is relevant to the timing contained in your query.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 8:27 AM Todd Rhoads via <todd=[email protected]> wrote:

I agree with that assessment. Of course, I am sick, and attempting to be of whatever help, but as we all know, gratitude or empathy is in extremely short supply in a lot of people these days?

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 7:18 AM Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:

Thank you, Rich. This was so much more helpful than Todd’s word salad. The COVID must be rotting his brain.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:47 PM Richard Chang via <rcterp=[email protected]> wrote:

We have been lucky, though we are more cautious than almost anyone, and not gotten covid. I wear masks everywhere still. I don't plan on not wearing masks probably ever. I just took a work trip and wore a mask on the plane.?

I think if you go out without a mask you will get Omicron eventually. My teams have been working on site for all of covid, and most people have only been testing positive from covid since Omicron. From what I've read Omicron immunity only lasts 2-3 months so there isn't a lot of benefit to getting it.?

I'm getting my 2nd booster in the fall. We want to go Korea and want the strongest protection we can have. My PCP agreed with that approach and trying to sync up booster with flu shot for the winter will give the best protection.

Getting booster doesn't protect other people so whether you get a 2nd booster doesn't impact your ability transmit it. It isn't immunity, it is protection from serious illness.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:27 PM, Todd Rhoads

<todd@...> wrote:

I mean "probably" i guess? Do Pili's parents have a lot of contact with various people anyway or are they kinda isolating? Will the rest of your family be far less protected than you, so if you guys are exposed, your?fam will?catch it and spread it anyway regardless of your personal situation? (or will you personally be exposed to more people/settings than the rest of your fam?)

I had read some speculation early in the year about "if getting too many vaccine shots might start to become counter-productive as far as your immune system getting worn down and stop reacting much" - but there hasn't been anything i've seen lately on that - and a quick google right now didn't find anything new. So maybe not being supported by data so far. But also, have read some conflicting stuff about whether a 4th booster is doing much to stop "moderate break-throughs", or whether not really doing much against that, anyway....

Definitely think a hopefully-updated fall booster would be more helpful. But depends on how much you are going to be introducing further possible exposure to the ochenta Spaniards as opposed to their other exposures.............

One caveat contrary to the above. My brother has bad lung issues so is cautious about covid; he and his wife (a cancer M.D.) got 4th boosters a few weeks ago, because doing some travel this summer (including coming to SD), for whatever their scenario is worth.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:

Sorry to hear that todd.??

So help me make the call.? I'm visiting my in-laws at the end of the month.? In their 80's.? Do I get the booster or not???

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:56 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

Yeah the testing numbers aren't reliable but seems like the wastewater data may be accurate - they have a lot of data for SD -?

As far as 4th booster - had previously considered that, since 47 is so close to 50 and can just lie and say "yeah i smoke now" or something (or i do have asthma when get a bad respiratory infection). The other issue though is that may be better to wait until the fall in case the booster issued then is updated to somewhat protect against the ever-shifting Omicron variants.....

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Bloom via <ericbloom8=[email protected]> wrote:

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

I agree with that assessment. Of course, I am sick, and attempting to be of whatever help, but as we all know, gratitude or empathy is in extremely short supply in a lot of people these days?

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 7:18 AM Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:

Thank you, Rich. This was so much more helpful than Todd’s word salad. The COVID must be rotting his brain.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:47 PM Richard Chang via <rcterp=[email protected]> wrote:

We have been lucky, though we are more cautious than almost anyone, and not gotten covid. I wear masks everywhere still. I don't plan on not wearing masks probably ever. I just took a work trip and wore a mask on the plane.?

I think if you go out without a mask you will get Omicron eventually. My teams have been working on site for all of covid, and most people have only been testing positive from covid since Omicron. From what I've read Omicron immunity only lasts 2-3 months so there isn't a lot of benefit to getting it.?

I'm getting my 2nd booster in the fall. We want to go Korea and want the strongest protection we can have. My PCP agreed with that approach and trying to sync up booster with flu shot for the winter will give the best protection.

Getting booster doesn't protect other people so whether you get a 2nd booster doesn't impact your ability transmit it. It isn't immunity, it is protection from serious illness.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:27 PM, Todd Rhoads

<todd@...> wrote:

I mean "probably" i guess? Do Pili's parents have a lot of contact with various people anyway or are they kinda isolating? Will the rest of your family be far less protected than you, so if you guys are exposed, your?fam will?catch it and spread it anyway regardless of your personal situation? (or will you personally be exposed to more people/settings than the rest of your fam?)

I had read some speculation early in the year about "if getting too many vaccine shots might start to become counter-productive as far as your immune system getting worn down and stop reacting much" - but there hasn't been anything i've seen lately on that - and a quick google right now didn't find anything new. So maybe not being supported by data so far. But also, have read some conflicting stuff about whether a 4th booster is doing much to stop "moderate break-throughs", or whether not really doing much against that, anyway....

Definitely think a hopefully-updated fall booster would be more helpful. But depends on how much you are going to be introducing further possible exposure to the ochenta Spaniards as opposed to their other exposures.............

One caveat contrary to the above. My brother has bad lung issues so is cautious about covid; he and his wife (a cancer M.D.) got 4th boosters a few weeks ago, because doing some travel this summer (including coming to SD), for whatever their scenario is worth.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:

Sorry to hear that todd.??

So help me make the call.? I'm visiting my in-laws at the end of the month.? In their 80's.? Do I get the booster or not???

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:56 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

Yeah the testing numbers aren't reliable but seems like the wastewater data may be accurate - they have a lot of data for SD -?

As far as 4th booster - had previously considered that, since 47 is so close to 50 and can just lie and say "yeah i smoke now" or something (or i do have asthma when get a bad respiratory infection). The other issue though is that may be better to wait until the fall in case the booster issued then is updated to somewhat protect against the ever-shifting Omicron variants.....

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Bloom via <ericbloom8=[email protected]> wrote:

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

Thank you, Rich. This was so much more helpful than Todd’s word salad. The COVID must be rotting his brain.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:47 PM Richard Chang via <rcterp=[email protected]> wrote:

We have been lucky, though we are more cautious than almost anyone, and not gotten covid. I wear masks everywhere still. I don't plan on not wearing masks probably ever. I just took a work trip and wore a mask on the plane.?

I think if you go out without a mask you will get Omicron eventually. My teams have been working on site for all of covid, and most people have only been testing positive from covid since Omicron. From what I've read Omicron immunity only lasts 2-3 months so there isn't a lot of benefit to getting it.?

I'm getting my 2nd booster in the fall. We want to go Korea and want the strongest protection we can have. My PCP agreed with that approach and trying to sync up booster with flu shot for the winter will give the best protection.

Getting booster doesn't protect other people so whether you get a 2nd booster doesn't impact your ability transmit it. It isn't immunity, it is protection from serious illness.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:27 PM, Todd Rhoads

<todd@...> wrote:

I mean "probably" i guess? Do Pili's parents have a lot of contact with various people anyway or are they kinda isolating? Will the rest of your family be far less protected than you, so if you guys are exposed, your?fam will?catch it and spread it anyway regardless of your personal situation? (or will you personally be exposed to more people/settings than the rest of your fam?)

I had read some speculation early in the year about "if getting too many vaccine shots might start to become counter-productive as far as your immune system getting worn down and stop reacting much" - but there hasn't been anything i've seen lately on that - and a quick google right now didn't find anything new. So maybe not being supported by data so far. But also, have read some conflicting stuff about whether a 4th booster is doing much to stop "moderate break-throughs", or whether not really doing much against that, anyway....

Definitely think a hopefully-updated fall booster would be more helpful. But depends on how much you are going to be introducing further possible exposure to the ochenta Spaniards as opposed to their other exposures.............

One caveat contrary to the above. My brother has bad lung issues so is cautious about covid; he and his wife (a cancer M.D.) got 4th boosters a few weeks ago, because doing some travel this summer (including coming to SD), for whatever their scenario is worth.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:

Sorry to hear that todd.??

So help me make the call.? I'm visiting my in-laws at the end of the month.? In their 80's.? Do I get the booster or not???

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:56 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

Yeah the testing numbers aren't reliable but seems like the wastewater data may be accurate - they have a lot of data for SD -?

As far as 4th booster - had previously considered that, since 47 is so close to 50 and can just lie and say "yeah i smoke now" or something (or i do have asthma when get a bad respiratory infection). The other issue though is that may be better to wait until the fall in case the booster issued then is updated to somewhat protect against the ever-shifting Omicron variants.....

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Bloom via <ericbloom8=[email protected]> wrote:

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

We have been lucky, though we are more cautious than almost anyone, and not gotten covid. I wear masks everywhere still. I don't plan on not wearing masks probably ever. I just took a work trip and wore a mask on the plane.?

I think if you go out without a mask you will get Omicron eventually. My teams have been working on site for all of covid, and most people have only been testing positive from covid since Omicron. From what I've read Omicron immunity only lasts 2-3 months so there isn't a lot of benefit to getting it.?

I'm getting my 2nd booster in the fall. We want to go Korea and want the strongest protection we can have. My PCP agreed with that approach and trying to sync up booster with flu shot for the winter will give the best protection.

Getting booster doesn't protect other people so whether you get a 2nd booster doesn't impact your ability transmit it. It isn't immunity, it is protection from serious illness.?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 6:27 PM, Todd Rhoads

<todd@...> wrote:

I mean "probably" i guess? Do Pili's parents have a lot of contact with various people anyway or are they kinda isolating? Will the rest of your family be far less protected than you, so if you guys are exposed, your?fam will?catch it and spread it anyway regardless of your personal situation? (or will you personally be exposed to more people/settings than the rest of your fam?)

I had read some speculation early in the year about "if getting too many vaccine shots might start to become counter-productive as far as your immune system getting worn down and stop reacting much" - but there hasn't been anything i've seen lately on that - and a quick google right now didn't find anything new. So maybe not being supported by data so far. But also, have read some conflicting stuff about whether a 4th booster is doing much to stop "moderate break-throughs", or whether not really doing much against that, anyway....

Definitely think a hopefully-updated fall booster would be more helpful. But depends on how much you are going to be introducing further possible exposure to the ochenta Spaniards as opposed to their other exposures.............

One caveat contrary to the above. My brother has bad lung issues so is cautious about covid; he and his wife (a cancer M.D.) got 4th boosters a few weeks ago, because doing some travel this summer (including coming to SD), for whatever their scenario is worth.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 3:06 PM Joe Steinberger <joe@...> wrote:

Sorry to hear that todd.??

So help me make the call.? I'm visiting my in-laws at the end of the month.? In their 80's.? Do I get the booster or not???

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:56 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

Yeah the testing numbers aren't reliable but seems like the wastewater data may be accurate - they have a lot of data for SD -?

As far as 4th booster - had previously considered that, since 47 is so close to 50 and can just lie and say "yeah i smoke now" or something (or i do have asthma when get a bad respiratory infection). The other issue though is that may be better to wait until the fall in case the booster issued then is updated to somewhat protect against the ever-shifting Omicron variants.....

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Bloom via <ericbloom8=[email protected]> wrote:

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

Sorry to hear that todd.??

So help me make the call.? I'm visiting my in-laws at the end of the month.? In their 80's.? Do I get the booster or not???

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:56 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

Yeah the testing numbers aren't reliable but seems like the wastewater data may be accurate - they have a lot of data for SD -?

As far as 4th booster - had previously considered that, since 47 is so close to 50 and can just lie and say "yeah i smoke now" or something (or i do have asthma when get a bad respiratory infection). The other issue though is that may be better to wait until the fall in case the booster issued then is updated to somewhat protect against the ever-shifting Omicron variants.....

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Bloom via <ericbloom8=[email protected]> wrote:

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

Yeah the testing numbers aren't reliable but seems like the wastewater data may be accurate - they have a lot of data for SD -?

As far as 4th booster - had previously considered that, since 47 is so close to 50 and can just lie and say "yeah i smoke now" or something (or i do have asthma when get a bad respiratory infection). The other issue though is that may be better to wait until the fall in case the booster issued then is updated to somewhat protect against the ever-shifting Omicron variants.....

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Bloom via <ericbloom8=[email protected]> wrote:

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

the other problem is the at home tests 1) aren't picking up the new variants as well and 2) don't get reported when positive as much as administered PCR tests.? So the positivity rate is very likely extremely undercounted.

I just got over one of the worst 2 day colds (almost like a bronchitis) I've had in a long while.? At home test negative, didn't get a PCR, could have definitely been Covid, but I honestly don't care to know at this point.? We were planning on getting Aniyah her booster, but she was so dead set against it that we decided to wait a while longer.? If and when they approve the 2nd booster for those under 50, I'll probably be first in line though.??

On Jun 3, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

Now you're a real man buddy

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, 4:25 PM Todd Rhoads <todd@...> wrote:

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

For anyone casually tracking covid activity in this group, covid hit all of our household this week. So far annoying (like a medium cold with some touches of moderate flu) but nothing crazy, knock on wood.? What is also annoying is doing some further reading into current state of re-infection and what catching covid now may mean for helping immunity going into our summer travels and all....

the news looks grim as apparently Omicron BA.2.12 isn't much slowed down by prior infection from even BA.2 (and both of those aren't too slowed down by the Omicron BA1 which surged mega-crazy this winter). Right now San Diego has about 75% 2.12 and 25% 2, so we easily could have gotten 2, and still could be vulnerable in a bit to 2.12.......

and then we also are starting to get a bit of BA.4 and BA.5 - which both are surging right now in South Africa and starting to elsewhere, and again, does not seem to be much slowed by any prior infections......so people can and are getting 2, 3, 4 infections over due time..........fun.

Apparently there's some hope that later in '23 there could be nasal vaccines developed/approved which may put up more resistance to infection. But that's a good long while from now. The real story on long Covid still seems not too clear. How much current vaccines are helping from infection, severe infection, and long Covid, is also seeming more murky as the viruses so quickly adapt and mutate away from the current vaccines.......

Don't want to get 2 or 3 more rounds of Covid but also need to keep our child less isolated than the first year and a half - to two years of Covid, when we were reasonably/perhaps fairly strictly distancing (pretty easy for me with zero co-workers and with majority of my friends having moved out of SD in last 2-10 years, but tougher for Lara/child and again, not something we should return to). Don't think distancing is the answer but wish more support for masks and for government big push and funding for enhanced indoor ventilation everywhere........

?

ive had a few . . . my mouth is a mess

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 3:23 PM Dan Buck <vertpurple@...> wrote:

I had my first one yesterday. Any of you had one?

I had my first one yesterday. Any of you had one?