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So, the long promised shutdown of the Shoutcast 128Kbs streams happened yesterday as promised - one promise I wish had been posponed for a while longer. My listening now to BBC Stream is on two devices: the Stream 3 for National BBc and some other staitons; Synapptic adapted phone for the rest. One other device which I'll mention at the end. Took me some time to figure out what HumanWare have done with the UK Streams. Entering the Humanware playlists with the hash key we are presented with the familiar old list of radio streams from around the world, the UK being under the various flavours of English streams. We are given all the BBC national streams with the addition of many commercial and some international radio streams such as Mushroom FM and Mushroom Escape, some 30 or more streams in all. On pressing the 5 (info) key to identify a stream I get for example, BBC Radio 4 Extra Tironi". Trioni is what it sounds like to me, but it could be trial only. Does anyone know if that is what it is saying? The URL is spelled out pointing to a resource at Humanware.com and it would be worth searching out that link to discover more. Like Oliver Twist I would like to ask Humanware and possibly BBC Sounds, Please Sir, can I have some more? Local radio, including BBC radio Foyle? All of these I had on the old Stream.I know some sort of revised feeds list for the BBC stations is said to be down the road, but who knows when. So, for the local radio feeds - and Radio Foyle - I go to my favourites on the Synaptic adapted phone I have. I can call up all the stations via a list or voice commands. Not as convenient as with the old Stream, but doable with more faffing about. I do wonder if Synapptic can be pursuaded to introduce some sort of keypad driven alternative to bring back to me really quick immediate switching of stations. I can but suggest it to them. Finally, an odd one out that perhaps proves a point though I am not sure what this points to. My Roberts Kitchen radio still gets the local radio presets I had help assigning some years ago. Some time back Roberts did update this radio's firmware to point to another database of feeds including the BBC though I do not know the source that Roberts get their feeds from. All the local radio feeds intact and streaming with the same sort of delay as the streams I am hearing on the Synapptic phone. All this points to the distinct possibility of bringing the same to the Stream and very likely the Sense Player as well. For me, the sooner the better. Hope all that's been useful, to someone. Ray. feeds.

Had the VR3 for a day or so now. I am bugged by the menu voice being Graham. Tried to change it but Graham is still stubbornly there. He sound bit like he's missing a full set of teeth. What am I doing wrong? Selecting the alternative voice does not give me Rachel, and I would prefer her. Got her for reading text in a file, but not for menues. Help Please! (When is that update coming for us to be able again to get the BBC streams which the deletive expletives at BBC Sounds have been as good as their word in turning off just over an hour ago. Anyone heard anything? Ray.

Hello again List. First, what appears to be good news or very promising. I note that in the last day or so my Synapptic adapted phone seems to be getting its BBC radio feeds via BBC Sounds, or in some other way. I noticed just a few minutes ago in the run-up to the 12pm news that the announcement while present on the soon to be turned off feeds was present on an old device, it was not there interupting the continuity announcement and programme trailer just before mid-day. Whatever feed is being used it was a good 30 seconds or so behind the usual 128 kbs feeds used by the VR Stream models. So, it does look like it is possible to have your presets and keep them - as far as the Synapptic adaptive software is concerned, although I believe one has to be signed up to BBC Sounds with the Sounds app installed for the feeds to work. For anyone who doesn't know the Synapptic phone/tablet software does have its own voice driven commands alternative, the wake word for radio is "Listen to..." Followed by the station you want to listen to. Although it might be too early to celebrate this does look promising. To end with, my VR3 Stream was delivered earlier today and is up and working, though I find the changed menu structure a bit disconcerting. Some how I engaged the key describer but managed to turn it off, but do not know quite how. Anyone care to remind me of the command to enable/disable key describer? Ray.

I am expecting delivery of the Stream 3 tomorrow. As far as I'm concerned Divide By isn't quite for the faint hearted! Found myself having to turn off my ad blocker and another extention before I could complete the transaction. I'l bet quite a few are using Divide By now. Wonder if anyone can comment re. the progress of the femporary fix for access to BBC radio feeds on the Stream 3? I'd like to think this will be available soon to relieve me of the bluddy minded inconvenience that is BBC Sounds. I would like to think I could still get all the 39 BBC local radio staitons as I do now, but me thinks I hope for too much there. Ray.

Dear Adrian How are you getting on with the new Victor? The Humanware Rep on the Victor list seem to suggest that they had negotiated access to new BBC Streams after the June 15th cut-off date as a stopgap until they could provide BBC sounds support in the Autumn. I note that the BBC warning message had been modified recently and seems to suggest that some devices will continue to have access to streams and not rely on 100% access to Sounds or smart Devices. Sadly these new streams will only be available for the Stream 3 and not the Stream 2 or Trek. Such support for continued access to BBC streams may well prove a strong selling point in the UK, even if there are apparently a lot of unresolved bugs, though mileage now seems to vary on this. I guess it depends on whatever you are using the Victor for. David Griffith David Griffith

I notice Humanware's site offers a zero percent credit scheme for buying the Stream and other gear. Anyone used it? I note their credit provider isn't registered with the FCA. Ray.

Given the interest in the BBC issue I changed the subject line and thought it would be helpful to copy the statement from the Humanware Rep on the Victor list here. Copied below. Now, on another note, the BBC is changing their streaming method on June 15th, moving on a newer technology. Unfortunately, this means that the BBC will no longer be accessible on the Stream 2 and the VRTrek. The team is currently looking into a stopgap solution for the Stream 3 and are fairly confident we'll be able to put something in place to have continuity of service when the switchover happens. A more permanent fix will be implemented in 1.2 but in theory, for Stream 3 users, it should be fairly seamless. There you have it! On this note, this is the last thing I had to do off my list before I leave for vacation. We'll talk again in a couple weeks! End of statement I hope that reassures to some degree. I would hope that any access made available to Humanware would be also available -----Original Message----- From : [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less th

Hi Does anyone know of a case which will fit the new vr stream mark 3? I don't think the executive case is available over here in the uk yet but it is $92 so it is a bit too expensive. I would like to find something it will fit in. Thanks. Regards Adrien

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What's in 1.1?! Just in on the TechVi list. Good to see chapter support as one of the things we've been waiting for incorporated at last. I want to see what's coming to support BBC streaming - on this and other players. Ray. /g/victor/message/20613 What's in 1.1?! Hi all! A list of what's new and what's fixed in 1.1. :) NEW FEATURES Daisy Online (DOD): This is what's used in a lot of countries around the world to access libraries. We are supporting basic DOD, which allows for downloading books and returning them. Search and dynamic menus will be introduced in 1.2. Audio/Highlight bookmarks: Two very well liked features on the Stream 2, they're back! Please note that they require the use of an SD card to store them. Internet Radio Recording: This feature from the Stream 2 is now implemented on the 3. Chapter navigation in podcasts: A much requested feature, we're happy to introduce it! Changing the secondary TTS directly on the device: Currently, the main (system) language can only be changed using one of the packages on our website. We have one per locale (mostly one per language, with notable exceptions being English that have three flavors (US-UK-AU), French (EU and CA), and Spanish (NA and EU), as well as Dutch. You can select any other voice you'd like as your secondary TTS in any language, it doesn't have to be the same language as the main system voice. In 1.2, we will introduce switching the voices for the main system language as well. End of book notification: There is now an option to have a light beep or a spoken message at the end of the book. Localizations: Packages are now available in English, French, Spanish, Danish, Dutch, Italian, Norwegian, Polish and Swedish. More languages will be available in the future. BUGS FIXED WIFI instability: An issue that caused some WIFI disconnects when using SSIDs with certain lengths has been fixed. Wifi signal strength should also be more accurate. BARD book download failures: Same issue as the WIFI issue, also fixed. Internet Playlist import crash: This should now work properly. Bookshare books not resetting the idle timer: There was an issue where reading a Bookshare book for 30 minutes would turn off the device, this has been resolved. Bookshare book crashes: We believe we've fixed most of it, but it's possible certain corner cases remain, don't hesitate to flag those and submit a bug report. Reading positions in books not being remembered after a shutdown: The device should now remember where you were at in your books prior to shutting down. Podcast episodes sorting: Podcasts should now be listed in order of publication date. Notes consolidation: Notes consolidation now acts as it did on the Stream 2. Podcast search results: There is now a "next page" if there are more than 200 results. Bookshelf: The bookshelf you were on before shutting down or going to the settings menu should we the one you land on after booting or exiting the settings menu. There are several more minor bugfixes also included, but I won't list them all here as they were really just minor things. But here you go! As a reminder, the update will be available over-the-air Tuesday next week during the day. Woohoo! Mathieu Paquette Product Manager Humanware David Goldfield Assistive Technology Specialist Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news and updates regarding the blindness assistive technology space Email: [email protected] WWW.DavidGoldfield.com _._,_._,_

To those on both lists to which I am forwarding this apologies if you see this twice. Sounds an interesting player and I dare say the TN I work with will take a look at it. There is mention for chapter support - the ability I take it to skip between sections within a single file which is very useful for long podcasts such as Living Blindfully. I have heard as well there is the ability to move between folders if a pendrive is organised that way. Ray. From the Tech-VI list owner: I heard about this player from the RNIB on the April 27 Double Tap podcast. I have no other information about it beyond what is contained on the Web site. I do not know if this device is shipped internationally or if there are distributors for it outside of the U.K. Please direct any questions about the product to the RNIB and not to me. Distribution on the Tech-VI list does not imply endorsement. Original Source The RNIB Accord combination USB player and Bluetooth speaker is our most advanced audio device and designed specifically for blind and partially sighted users, with easy-to-use tactile controls, wireless charging, easy-to-locate ports, bookmarking features and chapter skipping function. Small (just a little larger than a standard coffee mug) and highly portable, you can listen to Talking Books on USB and any other audio via Bluetooth – podcasts, BBC Sounds, Audible audiobooks, your ‘dance like nobody’s watching’ playlist. If your smartphone or tablet can play it, you can listen to it on the RNIB Accord. The rechargeable battery provides five to six hours listening on a full charge. Simply place the RNIB Accord on to the wireless charger provided and hear the player announce when it is correctly positioned for charging. Your RNIB Accord is supplied with one Qi wireless charging pad for fast charging and two USB-C cables, but not a USB charger plug – these can be purchased separately using product code HT376. With its high quality speaker, the RNIB Accord is the perfect way to listen to your favourite things in the living room, kitchen, garden or shed. Weighing only 384g (less than a tin of tomato soup!), you can easily move it with you as you go about your day. It is supplied with a lanyard attached for extra security. Controls Stylish and modern-looking, it has a black case with contrasting white buttons. The volume control buttons are a large, tactile plus and minus sign on one side of the device, designed to be easily located by touch. They also function as chapter skip forward/backward buttons. The RNIB Accord’s two other control buttons and all ports are on top of the device for ease of use. The round, white power button is engraved with a power symbol, and the white book/folder skip button is distinctly smaller and smooth. The power button also functions as the play/pause button. Voice prompts The RNIB Accord gives voice prompts in a clear, natural, English male voice to indicate battery, Bluetooth, charging and software update status. It will also speak when headphones, a USB stick, or an SD card are connected/disconnected and when a control button is pressed, (for example, “Volume up”, “Play”, “Power on”). Bookmarking Bookmarking of your last position is automatic when the player is paused or stopped. When the USB stick is removed and reinserted the player will automatically start playing at the point you left off. The player can bookmark hundreds of individual USB sticks. You cannot add multiple bookmarks to a USB stick. For more details about this product, check the product instructions manual (in the User Guides tab) to help you decide if this product is suitable for you. Specifications · USB player and Bluetooth speaker. · Plays MP3 and WMA files (up to 32GB USB stick). · Large, tactile volume control buttons. · Chapter skip function (forwards and backwards). · Book skip (forward) function. · Automatic bookmarking. · Wireless and wired charging ability. · USB-A port on top of device to read USB sticks. · MicroSD slot for additional input and also for software updates (on top of device, with rubber cover when not in use). · 3.5m

Hi I have a couple of questions regarding my milestone. I have recently installed the up-date to the milestone 312 wifi. Everything works fine apart from the on-line book library, it says no active database, is there a file missing? Are any of our uk libraries on there yet, calibre etc? For those who are interested they are now on version 6.5 and a few things have been moved, the on-line library is with the books under books, and there are a few other minor changes. Regards Adrien

Hi I have up-dated my milestone with the latest firmware, 6.5. I still can't work out an easy way to organise the book shelf. I have loads and loads of rnib talking books on an sd card and several audible books on the internal memory. When I go to book shelf, I seem to have to go through them all to get to a particular book. It would be nice if like on the audio on the milestone if internal memory and external memory were separate book shelves. Also some way of searching. You can get a lot of books on a 128 gb sd card. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pele West Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 9:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [dap-uk] More Questions Hi Mathieu Thanks for joining this list and answering our questions so promptly. You say you are in contact with the BBC, which is great. Do you have any plans to talk to other groups in the UK who have now changed their stream formats, such as the owners of Absolute Radio, or are they using the same technology as the new Stream? By the way, I like the folder structure on the Stream. Pele West

I have pre-ordered the new SensePlayer from Hinns. Although I have not received mine I have heard that some have received it already? From reading on the Victor Reader lists the panic induced by the release of the Hinns SensePlayer has caused a bit of a dogs dinner with the early release of the victor Rader 3 Firmware which seems crammed with bugs and not really fit for release. Still it is not even being advertised on the HumanWare UK site when I checked last night. Only the Stream 2 and trek were purchased options. Anyway has anybody received the SensePlayer yet and got any first impressions? I am looking forward to being able to use VoiceDream Reader via smart connect from my iPhone in addition to the player capabilities. Apparently both BBC Sounds and Audible will be added as app op[options in the summer as these bespoke apps will b ported across from the Braille Sense where apparently they already work. David Griffith David Griffith.

Hi I just want to remind people about speakon. Speakon is a text based program for windows which is speech only, it allows visually impaired people to listen to music, podcasts, read rnib talking newspapers, and much more, it also has a radio player built in. I run the speakon user group, to subscribe to the group send a message to [email protected] You ca n find out more at http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html Regards Adrien

The below appeared on the TNF list recently. Sounds as if this USB player might be the replacement many Talking News groups are wating for. Unclear at the moment whether the chapter skip function it for skipping between segmants of a long file divided into "chapters" or if it will skip between folders on a USB stick. This player isn't actually available yet from RNIB but looks like it may be the replacement for the Communiplayer. Could wish personally it had a rotary volume control but that's a minor point. Ray. This combination USB player and Bluetooth speaker is specifically designed for blind and partially sighted users, with easy-to-use tactile controls, easy-to-locate ports, bookmarking features and chapter skipping function. The product has great sound quality and has been designed to be easy to operate independently, coming with USB C connections and a charging pad option. I will be able to share full information and images in the near future. We are expecting the stock to arrive at the end of March. The product will have a retail rate of ?49.99 ex VAT with a standard trade discount of 15%. Plays MP3 and WMA files (up to 32GB USB stick). Large, tactile volume control buttons. Chapter skip function (forwards and backwards). Book skip (forward) function. Automatic bookmarking. Bluetooth 5.0 connectivity (10m range) Two passive, mono sub-woofer speakers. Wired and wireless charging ability. USB-A port on top of device to read USB sticks. 3.5mm jack for headphones Lanyard attached for security when carrying. --

For me the guy from Emporia presents a much needed corrective and reminder to some who insist that using touch screens is doable and easy for everyone. the rest of this podcast is worth a listen as well. https://audioboom.com/posts/8261053.mp3?modified=1678377648 Also, included in the latest Mosen at Large podcast is a discussion with Brian Hartgen where Brian gives his views on the latest HIMS player. Again Brian, of all people, uses a VR Stream for listening to talking books for much the same reasons as I do. Brian of course is up there with the most accomplished tech guys and indeed I know others ahead of me who in spite of the cost of the VR Stream and other players still find them a good addition to using a smart phone for everything. Check out the latest Mosen podcast at: https://pinecast.com/listen/13234964-d9b5-4db0-a7f1-5a496cbc6c73.mp3?source=rss Ray. This week we’re hearing from Chris Millington, CEO of Emporia, about their range of accessible smart phones and tablets. RNIB Tech For Life’s Colin Shales drops by to explain options for making mobile payments work for you, and Dave Williams hears the latest from Dolphin Computer Access. You can listen to it at https://audioboom.com/posts/8261053.mp3?modified=1678377648

Hello all Here is an enthusiastic review of the Victor Stream 3, despite a few bugs : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-AK2Kop7I Claire

Some here might be interested in this though I have not heard-watched it as yet myself. Ray. From the Tech-VI list owner: The recording of this webinar can be accessed on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCDpSb3xqqM David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist NVDA Certified Expert Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: [email protected] www.DavidGoldfield.com

Hi everyone What is the best option to add podcasts on the E10 ? I never find podcasts I’m looking for with VTuner. Thanks Claire