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BBC Streams on the Victor 3 - Humanware rep statement
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Given the interest in the BBC issue I changed the subject line and thought it would be helpful to copy the statement from the Humanware Rep on the Victor list here.
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Copied below. Now, on another note, the BBC is changing their streaming method on June 15th, moving on a newer technology. Unfortunately, this means that the BBC will no longer be accessible on the Stream 2 and the VRTrek. The team is currently looking into a stopgap solution for the Stream 3 and are fairly confident we'll be able to put something in place to have continuity of service when the switchover happens. A more permanent fix will be implemented in 1.2 but in theory, for Stream 3 users, it should be fairly seamless. There you have it! On this note, this is the last thing I had to do off my list before I leave for vacation. We'll talk again in a couple weeks! End of statement I hope that reassures to some degree. I would hope that any access made available to Humanware would be also available -----Original Message-----
From : [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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David, thanks for posting this.? It may be that, much as I am reluctant to buy the 3rd gen Stream in its presently buggy state and less than ready for market state, I shall probably bite the bullet and buy one in the hope of maintaining my BBC feeds.
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I do find it reprahensible that the BBC given its more obvious remit to be a "public service broadcaster" is seemingly willfully unaware of the problems around development issues in the access tech market, but also willing too to see many a good more mass market internet radios go to the skip rather than being mindful of how important and convenient easy preset selection is to many, especailly older, listeners.is to them. I have the less than flattering image of your typical BBC Sounds high up having an image of older people accompanied by coffins with the hope that many of these old relics will soon be in those coffins along with their radios - in the coffins or the skips but are indifferent to whether both end up in the foffins or the skips!? Crassness in the cause of progress? Ray. On 08/06/2023 03:55 am, David Griffith via groups.io wrote:
Given the interest in the BBC issue I changed the subject line and thought it would be helpful to copy the statement from the Humanware Rep on the Victor list here. |
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I don't know if you have access to a Blind Shell Classic Phone? I have found a reasonably good experience with accessing BBC stations via Alexa on that phone. I have put Alexa in my favourites list. So essentially. 1. I press the side button which brings up Alexa as the first option. 2. I press the confirm button. 3. Alexa opens and says tap or say Alexa. 4. I press the confirm button again and say Play followed by whatever BBC station I want. 5. on other devices I often encounter problems with digital assistants not understanding my lisp but on this device, so far, it has started playing every BBC station I need without issue immediately. 6. As the blind Shell also has access to a good FM Radio app, plus Internet Radio and BBC Sounds apps, it will probably become my main Radio device going forwards. On the FM Radio you can label the favourite stations. Unfortunately the BBC sounds app follows the clunky Android interface rather than the easier iOS implementation. I don't know why in the Android version every station is verbosely listed on the page rather than being available through a drop down list. This means you have to navigate every station to get down to other elements like schedule etc. Anyway - just a thought. David Griffith -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] BBC Streams on the Victor 3 - Humanware rep statement David, thanks for posting this. It may be that, much as I am reluctant to buy the 3rd gen Stream in its presently buggy state and less than ready for market state, I shall probably bite the bullet and buy one in the hope of maintaining my BBC feeds. I do find it reprahensible that the BBC given its more obvious remit to be a "public service broadcaster" is seemingly willfully unaware of the problems around development issues in the access tech market, but also willing too to see many a good more mass market internet radios go to the skip rather than being mindful of how important and convenient easy preset selection is to many, especailly older, listeners.is to them. I have the less than flattering image of your typical BBC Sounds high up having an image of older people accompanied by coffins with the hope that many of these old relics will soon be in those coffins along with their radios - in the coffins or the skips but are indifferent to whether both end up in the foffins or the skips! Crassness in the cause of progress? Ray. On 08/06/2023 03:55 am, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Given the interest in the BBC issue I changed the subject line and thought it would be helpful to copy the statement from the Humanware Rep on the Victor list here. |
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