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How are you getting on with the new Victor? The Humanware Rep on the Victor list seem to suggest that they had negotiated access to new BBC Streams after the June 15th cut-off date as a stopgap until they could provide BBC sounds support in the Autumn. I note that the BBC warning message had been modified recently and seems to suggest that some devices will continue to have access to streams and not rely on 100% access to Sounds or smart Devices. Sadly these new streams will only be available for the Stream 3 and not the Stream 2 or Trek. Such support for continued access to BBC streams may well prove a strong selling point in the UK, even if there are apparently a lot of unresolved bugs, though mileage now seems to vary on this. I guess it depends on whatever you are using the Victor for. David Griffith David Griffith -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 11:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new vr stream mark 3 Hi Steve Yes ok but it is expensive at $92, that's around ?75, I am going to look for a phone or similar pouch for it. I don't think many people will be getting the case. I think it may fit in the evo10 case you sell. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 10:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new vr stream mark 3 Hi Adrian, We can get it for you. We don't stock them yet, because no-one has ordered it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 1:25 AM To: [email protected] Cc: access-uk-request@... Subject: [dap-uk] cases to fit new vr stream mark 3 Hi Does anyone know of a case which will fit the new vr stream mark 3? I don't think the executive case is available over here in the uk yet but it is $92 so it is a bit too expensive. I would like to find something it will fit in. Thanks. Regards Adrien |
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Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams.? I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output.? I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio.? It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds.? Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area?? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations? local political issues and much more.? I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going.? Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands.? So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so.? Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want.? Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing.? For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die.? It does not have to be that way.? Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote:
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I can't answer for the bbc streams as I don't really use them, I do use the stream for internet radio but more for audio books and things like that. I have only noticed one problem with the stream, the other books folder is not in alphabetical order, this is no real problem though, I can find my books. The wifi was easy enough to set up, the podcasts seem to download ok. The only bug is that the podcasts downloads announcement interrupts the audio from a book but other than that I like the new vr stream. The battery seems to last for ages, I definitely get 15 plus hours out of it. I do wish there was a way of connecting a lanyard to the stream, I can't really think of anything else. I use the us voices, I have never been keen on the uk ones. Once you have confirmed the audio announcement about it being too loud, you don't hear it again. Regards Adrien -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Griffith via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 3:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Dear Adrian How are you getting on with the new Victor? The Humanware Rep on the Victor list seem to suggest that they had negotiated access to new BBC Streams after the June 15th cut-off date as a stopgap until they could provide BBC sounds support in the Autumn. I note that the BBC warning message had been modified recently and seems to suggest that some devices will continue to have access to streams and not rely on 100% access to Sounds or smart Devices. Sadly these new streams will only be available for the Stream 3 and not the Stream 2 or Trek. Such support for continued access to BBC streams may well prove a strong selling point in the UK, even if there are apparently a lot of unresolved bugs, though mileage now seems to vary on this. I guess it depends on whatever you are using the Victor for. David Griffith David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 11:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new vr stream mark 3 Hi Steve Yes ok but it is expensive at $92, that's around ?75, I am going to look for a phone or similar pouch for it. I don't think many people will be getting the case. I think it may fit in the evo10 case you sell. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 10:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new vr stream mark 3 Hi Adrian, We can get it for you. We don't stock them yet, because no-one has ordered it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 1:25 AM To: [email protected] Cc: access-uk-request@... Subject: [dap-uk] cases to fit new vr stream mark 3 Hi Does anyone know of a case which will fit the new vr stream mark 3? I don't think the executive case is available over here in the uk yet but it is $92 so it is a bit too expensive. I would like to find something it will fit in. Thanks. Regards Adrien |
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All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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No-one certainly not me, said one should be limited, I merely said that the Beeb want you to have an account. However you link that account doesn't concern accessibility, if the specialist machines allow you to link it.
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All the best Steve -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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I found on amazon a neoprene case which fits the vr stream mark 3 perfectly, ok you have to zip it in but I couldn't have guessed it any better if I tried. I think it is a case for a very small phone. Ok I can't use the stream in the case but it will protect the stream if I put it away. I can use the stream with earphones or bluetooth if I need to, the zipper comes right round the case almost. It was only about ?7. I probably will get a vr stream case when I can afford it. Regards Adrien -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 No-one certainly not me, said one should be limited, I merely said that the Beeb want you to have an account. However you link that account doesn't concern accessibility, if the specialist machines allow you to link it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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Do you have a link or product description? David Griffith -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Steve I found on amazon a neoprene case which fits the vr stream mark 3 perfectly, ok you have to zip it in but I couldn't have guessed it any better if I tried. I think it is a case for a very small phone. Ok I can't use the stream in the case but it will protect the stream if I put it away. I can use the stream with earphones or bluetooth if I need to, the zipper comes right round the case almost. It was only about ?7. I probably will get a vr stream case when I can afford it. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 No-one certainly not me, said one should be limited, I merely said that the Beeb want you to have an account. However you link that account doesn't concern accessibility, if the specialist machines allow you to link it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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Ok here is the link, you need to be quick, there are only 7 left, it is ?5.99, it fits nicely. Regards Adrien -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Griffith via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Dear Adrian Do you have a link or product description? David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Steve I found on amazon a neoprene case which fits the vr stream mark 3 perfectly, ok you have to zip it in but I couldn't have guessed it any better if I tried. I think it is a case for a very small phone. Ok I can't use the stream in the case but it will protect the stream if I put it away. I can use the stream with earphones or bluetooth if I need to, the zipper comes right round the case almost. It was only about ?7. I probably will get a vr stream case when I can afford it. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 No-one certainly not me, said one should be limited, I merely said that the Beeb want you to have an account. However you link that account doesn't concern accessibility, if the specialist machines allow you to link it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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Thanks you for this recommendation for a case.? I've just ordered one.? In fact there might be quite a few in stock if you are not fussed about the colour.
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Even if it turns out less than satisfactory for the Stream I am sure I'll have other things to carry around in it. Ray. On 10/06/2023 11:50 am, adrien collins wrote:
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Thanks for the link - I have ordered one even though I have not plumped for the Stream yet. I will see if it fits the SensePlayer.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David Ok here is the link, you need to be quick, there are only 7 left, it is ?5.99, it fits nicely. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Griffith via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Dear Adrian Do you have a link or product description? David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Steve I found on amazon a neoprene case which fits the vr stream mark 3 perfectly, ok you have to zip it in but I couldn't have guessed it any better if I tried. I think it is a case for a very small phone. Ok I can't use the stream in the case but it will protect the stream if I put it away. I can use the stream with earphones or bluetooth if I need to, the zipper comes right round the case almost. It was only about ?7. I probably will get a vr stream case when I can afford it. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 No-one certainly not me, said one should be limited, I merely said that the Beeb want you to have an account. However you link that account doesn't concern accessibility, if the specialist machines allow you to link it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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I have the evo10, I have a case for it but it is too tight, this case would probably fit better. Regards Adrien -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Griffith via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 6:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Thanks for the link - I have ordered one even though I have not plumped for the Stream yet. I will see if it fits the SensePlayer. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David Ok here is the link, you need to be quick, there are only 7 left, it is ?5.99, it fits nicely. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Griffith via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 10:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Dear Adrian Do you have a link or product description? David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Steve I found on amazon a neoprene case which fits the vr stream mark 3 perfectly, ok you have to zip it in but I couldn't have guessed it any better if I tried. I think it is a case for a very small phone. Ok I can't use the stream in the case but it will protect the stream if I put it away. I can use the stream with earphones or bluetooth if I need to, the zipper comes right round the case almost. It was only about ?7. I probably will get a vr stream case when I can afford it. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via groups.io Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 No-one certainly not me, said one should be limited, I merely said that the Beeb want you to have an account. However you link that account doesn't concern accessibility, if the specialist machines allow you to link it. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of adrien collins Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi Ray All I can say to this, I completely agree with you, I for one don't want to be limited to only being able to use the bbc radio stations on smart devices, I want to have the choice too. I am not good with touch screens and I don't really know how to use my phone for example whilst I am on a call so using more than one piece of equipment is better for me. There are still people out there who do, will not use technology, yes they will get left behind, this even includes younger people not just the elderly, but that is their choice and I think this whole thing is about being given a choice, not allowing a huge organisation such as the bbc take that choice away from us. We all have differing abilities, what suits one person most definitely doesn't suit somebody else. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rea Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 5:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [dap-uk] cases to fit new or stream mark 3 Hi David and all. Particularly interested in your comments about support for the BBC radio streams. I am one who is very anoyed at the seeming deafness, up until now at least, of those in BBC Sounds who seem so taken with the notion that absolutely everyone is now swiping and tapping to their hearts content on smart devices and seemingly no thought at all for those who want alternative ways of accessing (all) the BBC's broadcast output. I say (all) because I am including local radio in that statement - in spite of a remote and heedless management doing its worst to ensure local radio isn't "local" any more and alienating particularly its older listenership. I will state briefly my point raising loacal radio. It is very hard work with BBC Sounds as it is on smart devices to find any other local radio station other than the one linked to the postcode you entered setting up Sounds. Even Pele West - who I think might be on this list - seems to agree with this point, and she's more adept than I am. So, why would you want to access local radio outside your own area? For starters some might want to listen to what's going on in their area of birth or where they grew up, listening to footie conversations local political issues and much more. I find many of the local discussions on Radio Manchester interesting and well conducted and listening to those and other distant BBC local radio stations gave me more than a hint of the way I feared the EU referendum debate was going. Besides that, I find some BBC local radio stations very preferable to the BBC offer in the West Midlands. So, why should I not easily tap into local radio all round the UK to broaden my knowledge and enjoyment of radio listening via presets? I suspect that the design of BBC Sounds never took such considerations into account much less the preference of many older listeners to use presets and not just those who are not so smitten with smart phones and devices that you can put "in your shirt pocket". So, I am holding back on buying the Stream 3 for now to see just what happens with the BBC streams in a week or so. Flexible and (immediate) switching between streams is what I demand, not a lot of unnecessary swiping and tapping or grovelling round the screen to get what I want. Listening to speech feedback at hypasonic rates to find what you want and then missing the first minute or more of the local news you want isn't my idea of convenience. So far the Google Home and Nest speakers are the only way at the moment I can get the immediate switching around stations that I have come to enjoy, or is BBC Sounds about to deprive me of that? I find the uncritical attitude of some in the blindness community depressing and downright disabling at times,regarding smart devices as the one and only everyone (must)adapt to or do the other thing. For such people accomodation of needs of very many blind and other users is as nothing compared to a conformist view of adapt or die. It does not have to be that way. Their is expertise and resources to engineer around the limitaitons imposed by over-reliance on smart devices, but not the will to do so. Many blind or not find preset tuning a dailly convenience and way of taking full advantage of what the BBC offers along with other stations, and long may it remain so I say. Ray. On 07/06/2023 03:44 pm, David Griffith via groups.io wrote: Dear Adrian |
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