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RS-MS1A and D-Rats

 

The ticket for RS-MS1A protocol integration is:


For RS-MS1A and D-Rats integration is that D-Rats needs to know the protocols used for RS-MS1A, and if there is a way to recognize the RS-MS1A frame.

Currently the D-Rats protocols have not been completely mapped out, and we do not know anything yet about the RS-MS1A. I do not know if the D-Rats text and file transfer modes can be changes so that they can work with RS-MS1A frames.

The serial port on Icom D-Star radios is also use for remote control and programming of the radios via programs like Icom provides or the open source . Newer Icom radios provide a bluetooth serial port.

What ever is used for RS-MS1A has to block the binary codes that put the radio in remote control mode from being sent.

D-rats uses y-encoded transmissions to avoid those codes, and then uses a frame structure with binary codes in it.

Getting D-Rats to receive text and pictures from RS-MS1A should not be too hard if we get the RS-MS1A protocols worked out.

Items needed to be known about RS-MS1A:
1. Does it use any frame format, such as headers or checksums.
2. How does it determine a picture sending from a text sending.
3. How does it do the encoding to avoid sending radio control
commands to the radio.

Getting D-Rats to be able to send text and pictures to RS-MS1A based on what I have read on this mailing list would require changing the D-Rats protocols that are sent, and those newer packets would only be readable on that newer version of D-Rats.

There are several enhancement code cleanup tickets that are ahead of any work by me on RS-MS1A.
 

I can never connect my id52a to RS-MS1A on Bluetooth. Very discouraging. Scott W3SGT


On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, 6:02 PM John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...> wrote:
The ticket for RS-MS1A protocol integration is:


For RS-MS1A and D-Rats integration is that D-Rats needs to know the
protocols used for RS-MS1A, and if there is a way to recognize the
RS-MS1A frame.

Currently the D-Rats protocols have not been completely mapped out, and
we do not know anything yet about the RS-MS1A.? I do not know if the
D-Rats text and file transfer modes can be changes so that they can work
with RS-MS1A frames.

The serial port on Icom D-Star radios is also use for remote control and
programming of the radios via programs like Icom provides or the open
source .? Newer Icom radios provide a
bluetooth serial port.

What ever is used for RS-MS1A has to block the binary codes that put the
radio in remote control mode from being sent.

D-rats uses y-encoded transmissions to avoid those codes, and then uses
a frame structure with binary codes in it.

Getting D-Rats to receive text and pictures from RS-MS1A should not be
too hard if we get the RS-MS1A protocols worked out.

Items needed to be known about RS-MS1A:
? ?1. Does it use any frame format, such as headers or checksums.
? ?2. How does it determine a picture sending from a text sending.
? ?3. How does it do the encoding to avoid sending radio control
? ? ? commands to the radio.

Getting D-Rats to be able to send text and pictures to RS-MS1A based on
what I have read on this mailing list would require changing the D-Rats
protocols that are sent, and those newer packets would only be readable
on that newer version of D-Rats.

There are several enhancement code cleanup tickets that are ahead of any
work by me on RS-MS1A.
 

On 9/23/2023 5:20 PM, Scott Redfield wrote:
I can never connect my id52a to RS-MS1A on Bluetooth. Very discouraging.
There are some incompatibilities in the BlueTooth protocols, particularly some devices only support LE (Low Energy) and some devices have no support for that.

There are some android applications for monitoring wifi and bluetooth signals and reporting what the Android can handle. Using one of those may help figure things out.

I have a OTC connectors for my tablets, and I can connect to the RS-MS1A through a USB serial port connected to that. A tablet may not provide enough power to directly run the USB Serial port, so a powered hub may be needed. Since USB-C no longer needs powered hubs, powered USB hubs are getting more expensive or hard to find. Remember that when you are at the flea-market and see one for sale.

I want to get the bluetooth working though because I can not charge my tablet while the OTC adapter is installed.

Sitting in my parts bin waiting for me to get time to work on it are several TTL to bluetooth modules for Arduinos and several bluetooth USB adapters.

And everything needed to connect my older I-Comm radio serial port to connect to one of the bluetooth modules. Unfortunately it will need 4.5 volts of battery power to run it, and I don't know the current drain yet.

73,
-John
 

Hey Scott, Make sure your radio BT has the Bluetooth data set BACK to "CI V". D-Rats you set to "DV Data", all else is "CI-V".?

Then, use the RS MS1A to connect. Not the radio. It will connect right up.?
 

John,?
Can you email Ray Novak at Icom? He appears to have access to the developers of the phone apps. Ray is super supportive. RayNovak@...?. He was going to get a ticket to see about getting the phone app to parse raw text from D-Rats so it would be, kind of, readable. We can see raw text from the phone app in D-Rats right now (turn on sniffer and raw text in chat). Having it fully functional would be great.?
 

Thanks Mike. Scotty


On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, 8:52 AM Michael Mandell <mikemandell@...> wrote:
John,?
Can you email Ray Novak at Icom? He appears to have access to the developers of the phone apps. Ray is super supportive. RayNovak@...?. He was going to get a ticket to see about getting the phone app to parse raw text from D-Rats so it would be, kind of, readable. We can see raw text from the phone app in D-Rats right now (turn on sniffer and raw text in chat). Having it fully functional would be great.?

 

Sorry did not think of this. Open up your RSMS1A on phone, look at application settings and scroll down to baud rate for USB. Make sure it matches the radio. Also do this same thing on your computer.?
 

I know this is old, but I did have some communication with Ray Novak about the issue of at least text/chat compatibility on D-Rats and RS-MS1A (or i).?

As you know, the phone apps require the data stream to be in CI-V mode on the radio. I imagine this is because the phone app is used to send CI-V commands to the radio, which is something D-Rats is not concerned with. D-Rats needs "DV Data" which, from what I know, just sends streams of serial data in and out of the serial port.?

Chat in D-Rats can detect chat (text) from the phone app. If you turn on "raw data" you will see incorrectly formatted text chat in D-Rats (which is usually somewhat readable), much like incorrectly formatted D-PRS data comes into D-Rats if you leave it on.?

The issue is format for D-Rats but the bigger issue is whatever serial chat data D-Rats sends can't be read by the phone app. Apparently the phone app has no "raw data" mode, and if the format isn't correct, it just does not appear. I think the correction for this---in chat anyway---is with the phone app, not in D-Rats.?

My comms with Ray were a long time ago. Not sure a ticket was ever put in for Icom to look at this or not. It would be real nice for somebody with just a radio and a phone to join in on chat. I suspect pictures, files, email and other stuff are beyond the scope of this.?
 

Thank you Mike.


Il sab 30 mar 2024, 10:49 Michael Mandell <mikemandell@...> ha scritto:

I know this is old, but I did have some communication with Ray Novak about the issue of at least text/chat compatibility on D-Rats and RS-MS1A (or i).?

As you know, the phone apps require the data stream to be in CI-V mode on the radio. I imagine this is because the phone app is used to send CI-V commands to the radio, which is something D-Rats is not concerned with. D-Rats needs "DV Data" which, from what I know, just sends streams of serial data in and out of the serial port.?

Chat in D-Rats can detect chat (text) from the phone app. If you turn on "raw data" you will see incorrectly formatted text chat in D-Rats (which is usually somewhat readable), much like incorrectly formatted D-PRS data comes into D-Rats if you leave it on.?

The issue is format for D-Rats but the bigger issue is whatever serial chat data D-Rats sends can't be read by the phone app. Apparently the phone app has no "raw data" mode, and if the format isn't correct, it just does not appear. I think the correction for this---in chat anyway---is with the phone app, not in D-Rats.?

My comms with Ray were a long time ago. Not sure a ticket was ever put in for Icom to look at this or not. It would be real nice for somebody with just a radio and a phone to join in on chat. I suspect pictures, files, email and other stuff are beyond the scope of this.?

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