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New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby)

Tomasz Gregorski All Messages By This Member #634 Hi, A few days ago I purchased my first real HT iCom ID 31A. It took me a while to get it working but now I am able to configure local CQ on our YYZ repeater or connect to some reflectors in USA. All good.? One of the reasons I purchased D-Star was that I would have ability to send a message to and from the radio, just like Yaesu can with its APRS. The idea is that when my cell phone dies I can send a message to my fried's email account and he is not a ham operator (does not have a radio). I have installed D-Rats today but I can not figure out how to do it. I can see that I can send and receive messages from some stations and I have chatted with someone who advised me to join this group. He also mentioned that I need a programming cable, well I do not need to send messages to the radio when it is connected to my computer. The idea is to have a computer at home and radio in the field with no cable in between. At this point I am thinking that this is not possible and my first clue is a simple fact that my new radio does not have a keyboard! Please let me know what my options are. Thank you! Tom P.S. I have looked at Winlink option for emergency communication but the size of the equipment and different opinions of winlink forum members deterred me from HF for a while.
Rolan Clark All Messages By This Member #635 Tom, Please be careful sending amateur messages to non hams.? That by passes commercial business and I believe that is against regulations.? The same is true for WinLink or all that can pass internet traffic to hams and if the traffic is of a non Amateur Radio? content I???believe it is against FCC regulations and of course we don't know the content of internet messages until they are sent to us?and if not filtered?non Amateur Radio communications can be transmitted to you which is against FCC regulations. The automatic elay?point is also responsible for not allowing non Amateur Radio communications to be transmitted.? I sent in a NPRM (Notice of Proposed? Rule Making) to the FCC a couple of years ago to make the sender responsible? and not the automatic relay station but they didn't? accept my idea. HI . Please get others opinions on my comments but I?believe that is correct and thanks much for asking. 73 de rolan w3fdk
Keith, ASEC SNJ Section. All Messages By This Member #636 The communication is sent through email. There are no violations there. Just like you can send Winlink email to a non HAM operator and vice versa ?over RF. Keith kc2oon
John WB4QDX All Messages By This Member #637 开云体育 To clarify, the FCC regulation is not about non-Amateur traffic.? You can chat all day about the weather, local events, etc., but not about business related matters.? For example, you can’t send an email to your office to schedule a meeting with a client. The FCC defines prohibited traffic as that which you have a pecuniary interest or financial or business related. ? John WB4QDX ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 8:02 AM To: d-rats_group@... Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby) ? ? Tom, ? Please be careful sending amateur messages to non hams.? That by passes commercial business and I believe that is against regulations.? The same is true for WinLink or all that can pass internet traffic to hams and if the traffic is of a non Amateur Radio? content I???believe it is against FCC regulations and of course we don't know the content of internet messages until they are sent to us?and if not filtered?non Amateur Radio communications can be transmitted to you which is against FCC regulations. ? The automatic elay?point is also responsible for not allowing non Amateur Radio communications to be transmitted.? I sent in a NPRM (Notice of Proposed? Rule Making) to the FCC a couple of years ago to make the sender responsible? and not the automatic relay station but they didn't? accept my idea. HI . ? Please get others opinions on my comments but I?believe that is correct and thanks much for asking. ? 73 de rolan w3fdk
Tomasz Gregorski All Messages By This Member #638 Hi Rolan, The WinLink seems to how some filters and the email addresses are not for general circulation. I am sure people understand it. The idea is to use HAM radio for emergency. This is nobody's intention to replace commercial services. Good point Tom toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "rolan.clark@... [d-rats_group]" To: d-rats_group@... Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 8:02 AM Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby) ? Tom, Please be careful sending amateur messages to non hams.? That by passes commercial business and I believe that is against regulations.? The same is true for WinLink or all that can pass internet traffic to hams and if the traffic is of a non Amateur Radio? content I???believe it is against FCC regulations and of course we don't know the content of internet messages until they are sent to us?and if not filtered?non Amateur Radio communications can be transmitted to you which is against FCC regulations. The automatic elay?point is also responsible for not allowing non Amateur Radio communications to be transmitted.? I sent in a NPRM (Notice of Proposed? Rule Making) to the FCC a couple of years ago to make the sender responsible? and not the automatic relay station but they didn't? accept my idea. HI . Please get others opinions on my comments but I?believe that is correct and thanks much for asking. 73 de rolan w3fdk
Tomasz Gregorski All Messages By This Member #639 Hi John, I think his point is that someone can email you a piece of SPAM which is "commercial" in nature. This way the FCC rules get violated. This not only goes against the rules but also consumes valuable resources. It is a good point.? The thing is that this kind of system would be used mostly in non commercial manner probably in emergency. If we can not use HAM radio in emergency it means we are already in North Korea. Thank you! Tom toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "John Davis wb4qdx@... [d-rats_group]" To: "d-rats_group@..." Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [d-rats_group] Re: New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby) ? To clarify, the FCC regulation is not about non-Amateur traffic.? You can chat all day about the weather, local events, etc., but not about business related matters.? For example, you can’t send an email to your office to schedule a meeting with a client. The FCC defines prohibited traffic as that which you have a pecuniary interest or financial or business related. ? John WB4QDX ? From: d-rats_group@... [mailto:d-rats_group@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 8:02 AM To: d-rats_group@... Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby) ? ? Tom, ? Please be careful sending amateur messages to non hams.? That by passes commercial business and I believe that is against regulations.? The same is true for WinLink or all that can pass internet traffic to hams and if the traffic is of a non Amateur Radio? content I???believe it is against FCC regulations and of course we don't know the content of internet messages until they are sent to us?and if not filtered?non Amateur Radio communications can be transmitted to you which is against FCC regulations. ? The automatic elay?point is also responsible for not allowing non Amateur Radio communications to be transmitted.? I sent in a NPRM (Notice of Proposed? Rule Making) to the FCC a couple of years ago to make the sender responsible? and not the automatic relay station but they didn't? accept my idea. HI . ? Please get others opinions on my comments but I?believe that is correct and thanks much for asking. ? 73 de rolan w3fdk
Patrick Connor All Messages By This Member #641 Hi Tom, The first thing you should know is that the D-STAR format does not support messaging directly from the radios. All D-STAR radios however, have a serial data port and support sending "low speed data" along with the voice traffic. It is best to think of a D-STAR radio as a modem, with about 900 bps through-put. With a PC connected at each end, you can chat, send messages and transfer files. If one station has an internet connection, you can send and receive plain text e-mails using Winlink or your personal internet e-mail account. The radios can operate simplex or through a repeater and gateway, as long as there is a path between the two radios. You should ask the repeater operator how they feel about data only traffic on their system as you will appear to other users as if you are transmitting and not saying anything. D-RATS does not have a nationwide network, like APRS, which lets you send short messages from the keypad of the radio. For more information about D-RATS, download the Operating Guide and it's addendum, and the "D-RATS basic e-mail features" quick reference sheet from the files section. As to non-Hams on amateur radio, consider the phone patch. You can contact non-Hams by phone, but the type of traffic is restricted. You can call home and tell them to order pizza for supper, but you can't call the pizza shop and order it yourself. So health and welfare e-mails are allowed. I hope this answers some of your questions.
David Ranch All Messages By This Member #643 开云体育 Hello Tom, Welcome to the hobby and Dstar!? Lots of interesting things to learn and do!?? Btw, the specific detail about not being able to do Dstar messaging isn't accurate.? I've done messaging from my IC-80AD: ?? ?? page 68-70 I will admit it's not very easy to do on an IC80AD as it was one of their first gen Dstar radios but definitely possible.? I hope it would be easier say on a IC92AD or the newest gen ID-31/51 radios. --David KI6ZHD toggle quoted message Show quoted text ? Hi Tom, The first thing you should know is that the D-STAR format does not support messaging directly from the radios. All D-STAR radios however, have a serial data port and support sending "low speed data" along with the voice traffic.
Tomasz Gregorski All Messages By This Member #648 Hi, Thank you for your answer. This is what I started to suspect after I installed D-Rats. Tom toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "n3tsz@... [d-rats_group]" To: d-rats_group@... Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 8:19 PM Subject: [d-rats_group] Re: New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby) ? Hi Tom, The first thing you should know is that the D-STAR format does not support messaging directly from the radios. All D-STAR radios however, have a serial data port and support sending "low speed data" along with the voice traffic. It is best to think of a D-STAR radio as a modem, with about 900 bps through-put. With a PC connected at each end, you can chat, send messages and transfer files. If one station has an internet connection, you can send and receive plain text e-mails using Winlink or your personal internet e-mail account. The radios can operate simplex or through a repeater and gateway, as long as there is a path between the two radios. You should ask the repeater operator how they feel about data only traffic on their system as you will appear to other users as if you are transmitting and not saying anything. D-RATS does not have a nationwide network, like APRS, which lets you send short messages from the keypad of the radio. For more information about D-RATS, download the Operating Guide and it's addendum, and the "D-RATS basic e-mail features" quick reference sheet from the files section. As to non-Hams on amateur radio, consider the phone patch. You can contact non-Hams by phone, but the type of traffic is restricted. You can call home and tell them to order pizza for supper, but you can't call the pizza shop and order it yourself. So health and welfare e-mails are allowed. I hope this answers some of your questions.
Tomasz Gregorski All Messages By This Member #649 Hi David, It looks like you need an Android tablet to send or receive messages. The radio is just a modem. Tom toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: "David Ranch dstar@... [d-rats_group]" To: d-rats_group@... Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [d-rats_group] Re: New to D-Star and D-Rats (and actually to this hobby) ? Hello Tom, Welcome to the hobby and Dstar!? Lots of interesting things to learn and do!?? Btw, the specific detail about not being able to do Dstar messaging isn't accurate.? I've done messaging from my IC-80AD: ?? ?? page 68-70 I will admit it's not very easy to do on an IC80AD as it was one of their first gen Dstar radios but definitely possible.? I hope it would be easier say on a IC92AD or the newest gen ID-31/51 radios. --David KI6ZHD ? Hi Tom, The first thing you should know is that the D-STAR format does not support messaging directly from the radios. All D-STAR radios however, have a serial data port and support sending "low speed data" along with the voice traffic.
David Ranch All Messages By This Member #650 开云体育 Hello Tom, For D-Rats, correct but per the previous example, Dstar supports it's own simple messaging as well. --David KI6ZHD On 06/16/2015 09:26 PM, Tom Gregorski cangetme@... [d-rats_group] wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text ? Hi David, It looks like you need an Android tablet to send or receive messages. The radio is just a modem. Tom

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