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On Tue, Mar 18, 2025, 8:32?AM Tommy Beene - KD4CHW via <kd4chw= [email protected]> wrote: Hi John,
I'm a new user to D-Rats and this is a bit confusing to me.? Do I follow the link on the D-Star website for 0.3.9 or go to your repository and get a 0.4.? version?? Or does it matter?? And if I need the 0.4.?, which link is it?? I have a Windows 10 and 11 computer and understand that I need Python for both and can navigate that, just not sure if It matters what version I install.?
Thanks for your time,
Tommy
KD4CHW
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On 4/14/2025 11:09 PM, Tommy Beene - KD4CHW via groups.io wrote: Thanks John.? Hope you're doing well..? Missed seeing you at Huntsville last year. Unfortunately I have not been able to get to Huntsville, I do plan to be Dayton Hamvention this year again. I sent you an email concerning the beginning of the DRats journey
back on 4/02 Probably went into your junk folder (where it belongs
hihi). Can't find any trace of it, various places that it could have gone wrong since neither of the spam filters that my wb8tyw e-mails go through are state of the art for spam filtering. At least if you send it to this list, I can look it up in the archives. It is actually better to send it to this list as while I am doing a lot of the work on D-Rats, there are other developers that are assisting and also testing the changes. A contributor from France just contributed to fixing some potential data corruption issues on AX-25 and Radio links. Since then I have done all I can think of to find the errors and
correct them in the code. Nope...can't find them. I'm stuck. I am confused, if you sent an e-mail, most e-mail clients keep a copy in their sent folder. Source code is on GitHub for anyone to look at and file tickets. It really wasn't work all the work but the challenge sucked me in. So
I will use 3.9 on the old $50 Evolve laptop and wait for DRats 2 to use
it on my Windows 11 machine. I did the D-Rats python3 conversion on $0 laptops that had been given to me which I installed Anti-X Linux. Windows testing was on an old Windows 7 laptop until Msys2 dropped support for Windows 7. I could still use the Free MobaXterm application to run D-Rats on Windows 7 the last time I checked, but that was a few months ago. The 0.3.9 release drops data from the radio periodically due to a bug in the serial port handling. That bug took a while to detect because it only happens when using a radio and not when doing offline testing. d-rats2 is probably going to take a while to get done. 73, -John wb8tyw
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Thanks John.? Hope you're doing well..? Missed seeing you at Huntsville last year.
I sent you an email concerning the beginning of the DRats journey back on 4/02.? Probably went into your junk folder (where it belongs hihi).? Since then I have done all I can think of to find the errors and correct them in the code.? Nope...can't find them.? I'm stuck.? It really wasn't work all the work but the challenge sucked me in.? So I will use 3.9 on the old $50 Evolve laptop and wait for DRats 2 to use it on my Windows 11 machine.??
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73
Tommy
KD4CHW
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Re: D-RATS Repeater application
Great info here. https://sites.google.com/site/wcarasite/digital-comm/d-rats
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D-RATS Repeater application
There is a D-RATS repeater application in the folder where D-RATS is installed. I have opened it and played with it, but I am not 100% sure how to configure or use it. Have googled quite a bit and looked around in YouTube, but no luck. Do you guys have any instructions or resources you could point me at that show how to use this feature??
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Facundo?
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Thank you John @ WB4QDX and the rest of the group. I used the orange RT Systems cable and worked like a charm.?
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On 3/19/2025 1:04 PM, Randy-W4LKS wrote: I tried the MobaXterm install today.? The script fails because BusyBox is not installed.? If you manually install Busybox, then re-run the installer script, it will install.? Maybe add BusyBox as one of the required packages?? Randy In all of our previous installs, The Busybox package had already been installed and was being used instead the actual packages. The problem was that none of the busybox aliases for the real packages are passed to a running script, so the script had to be written to be busybox specific instead of being a generic script. Looks like something changed MobaXterm since the rest of us installed it. Thanks for the report. I will open a ticket on that soon. 73, -John
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I tried the MobaXterm install today.? The script fails because BusyBox is not installed.? If you manually install Busybox, then re-run the installer script, it will install.? Maybe add BusyBox as one of the required packages?? Randy
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On 3/18/2025 7:01 PM, John E. Malmberg via groups.io wrote: On 3/17/2025 5:28 PM, Tommy Beene - KD4CHW via groups.io wrote:
Hi John,
I'm a new user to D-Rats and this is a bit confusing to me.? Do I
follow the link on the D-Star website for 0.3.9 or go to your
repository and get a 0.4.? version? If you are asking me, the answer will be the 0.4.7 version of course.
Or does it matter? Versions older than 0.4.7 are not being maintained.
All versions older than 0.4.7 have a bug where they will discard received data under some conditions, which can result is lost data.
There have been other bug fixes.
The 0.3.9 version has not had any security updates in a very long time.
And if I? need the 0.4.?, which link is it? This is option 1, which has the least steps and at last check still works as far back as Windows 7.? That is the one that is getting the most recent testing.
Option 2, has more steps but also works, now needs Windows 10 or later, and will probably stop working on Windows 10 shortly after Microsoft drops official support of Windows 10.
I have a Windows 10 and 11 computer and understand that I need Python
for both and can navigate that, just not sure if It matters what
version I install. D-Rats requires Python 3 and GTK 3 and the prebuilt version of Python for Microsoft Windows is incomplete as compared to other platforms.
There is no pre-built version of GTK 3 for Microsoft Windows and the existing source will not build on Microsoft windows using the Visual Studio Express free compiler.
73,
-John
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Thank you John!? This has been added to my to do list haha.
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Tommy
KD4CHW
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On 3/17/2025 5:28 PM, Tommy Beene - KD4CHW via groups.io wrote: Hi John,
I'm a new user to D-Rats and this is a bit confusing to me. Do I
follow the link on the D-Star website for 0.3.9 or go to your
repository and get a 0.4.? version? If you are asking me, the answer will be the 0.4.7 version of course. Or does it matter? Versions older than 0.4.7 are not being maintained. All versions older than 0.4.7 have a bug where they will discard received data under some conditions, which can result is lost data. There have been other bug fixes. The 0.3.9 version has not had any security updates in a very long time. And if I need the 0.4.?, which link is it? This is option 1, which has the least steps and at last check still works as far back as Windows 7. That is the one that is getting the most recent testing. Option 2, has more steps but also works, now needs Windows 10 or later, and will probably stop working on Windows 10 shortly after Microsoft drops official support of Windows 10. I have a Windows 10 and 11 computer and understand that I need Python
for both and can navigate that, just not sure if It matters what
version I install. D-Rats requires Python 3 and GTK 3 and the prebuilt version of Python for Microsoft Windows is incomplete as compared to other platforms. There is no pre-built version of GTK 3 for Microsoft Windows and the existing source will not build on Microsoft windows using the Visual Studio Express free compiler. 73, -John
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Tommy, the 0.3.x versions are the original code. It works well but has a few bugs. The 0.4 code is newly developed code.
John WB4QDX?
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Hi John,
I'm a new user to D-Rats and this is a bit confusing to me.? Do I follow the link on the D-Star website for 0.3.9 or go to your repository and get a 0.4.? version?? Or does it matter?? And if I need the 0.4.?, which link is it?? I have a Windows 10 and
11 computer and understand that I need Python for both and can navigate that, just not sure if It matters what version I install.?
Thanks for your time,
Tommy
KD4CHW
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Hi John,
I'm a new user to D-Rats and this is a bit confusing to me.? Do I follow the link on the D-Star website for 0.3.9 or go to your repository and get a 0.4.? version?? Or does it matter?? And if I need the 0.4.?, which link is it?? I have a Windows 10 and 11 computer and understand that I need Python for both and can navigate that, just not sure if It matters what version I install.?
Thanks for your time,
Tommy
KD4CHW
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I am in the process of getting back to this. Had my 5100 working well but nets were inconvenient with my schedule. Since the GA ARES meeting, trying to get back to it...
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Or you can use the RT Systems ¡°orange¡± USB-RTS05 cable. It can be used with most DFSTAR radios for programming and data connections. It¡¯s a well built good quality adapter.
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John WB4QDX
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of from.zeon via groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2025 2:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [d-rats] D-RATS with IC-5100
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I followed the and configured the radio as recommended and it worked fine.
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I use the
I followed the and configured the radio as recommended and it worked fine.
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I am using an RT systems RTS05 cable into the data port, make certain the radio is in low speed mode it will work just fine with other stations in high speed if they are using high speed also, if they are using low speed they won't copy your station.
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AL M
KF5SMH
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I haven't learned much on my brother's 5100. W4GLE, K4DJL, K9ptf should be able to help you.
On Sat, Mar 15, 2025, 1:17?PM Facundo Fernandez via <kk4oda= [email protected]> wrote: Has anybody done D-Rats successfully with an IC-5100? Would you mind sharing your setup? What cables did you use and what radio ports? Thank you!
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Has anybody done D-Rats successfully with an IC-5100? Would you mind sharing your setup? What cables did you use and what radio ports? Thank you!
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Re: Announcing drats2 project
Looking forward to trying it out again...73 Luis KK4ZFT?
On 2/26/2025 3:04 AM, Michael Mandell via wrote:
> First, thanks for taking this on. I think it's a great project and
> DStar is not going away now with yet another new radio from Kenwood
> supporting it.
Actually the only thing in D-Rats that is D-Star specific is the code
that translates GPS symbols from D-Star to and from APRS.
D-Rats will work over any radio that can transmit serial data.
I plan to be testing the new port with LoRa radios.
These low cost radios are also available in the 433 Mhz band.
LoRa has an unlicensed mode at low power and an Amateur licensed mode.
As part of my planned attachments, I am planning on having a way for
ratflectors to be able to filter the unlicensed users to prevent
accidental relays over Amateur Radio links.
I am looking at
which can only use a few bytes from each packet to prevent forgeries,
and allows authentication of senders over a public radio link with out
anyone able to spoof them.
This could get larger usage of D-Rats than what we have now.
> I know nothing about programming but am wondering
> whether one of the AI coding devices might help. I see Gemini for
> coding is going to be free. Have you looked at this?
No, one of the problems with AI can end up provided code that may be
under copyright by others and illegal to put in an Open source project.
For my professional programming, my employers have strict policies on
the use of AI for work to avoid leaking company data, or creating a
copyright violation.
The AI answers that search engines are now providing are most of the
time returning the same web pages that the search engines normally
provide, except in two significant cases, the AI engine generated
examples with significant syntax errors.
There are many web sites that provide free python self paced training.
Currently Drats2 is still at in the setup of the boilerplate stage, this
boilerplate is just setting up the framework needed for organizing the
project.
It is at a state where a beginning python programmer can clone the
repository and learn the structure.
There is a developer_notes.txt that I cam keeping notes of what I plan
and what did not work.? The intent is that content from it can be put in
the drats2 wiki.? ?This is something that volunteers can assist with.
73,
-John
wb8tyw
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Re: Announcing drats2 project
On 2/26/2025 3:04 AM, Michael Mandell via groups.io wrote: First, thanks for taking this on. I think it's a great project and
DStar is not going away now with yet another new radio from Kenwood
supporting it. Actually the only thing in D-Rats that is D-Star specific is the code that translates GPS symbols from D-Star to and from APRS. D-Rats will work over any radio that can transmit serial data. I plan to be testing the new port with LoRa radios. These low cost radios are also available in the 433 Mhz band. LoRa has an unlicensed mode at low power and an Amateur licensed mode. As part of my planned attachments, I am planning on having a way for ratflectors to be able to filter the unlicensed users to prevent accidental relays over Amateur Radio links. I am looking at which can only use a few bytes from each packet to prevent forgeries, and allows authentication of senders over a public radio link with out anyone able to spoof them. This could get larger usage of D-Rats than what we have now. I know nothing about programming but am wondering
whether one of the AI coding devices might help. I see Gemini for
coding is going to be free. Have you looked at this? No, one of the problems with AI can end up provided code that may be under copyright by others and illegal to put in an Open source project. For my professional programming, my employers have strict policies on the use of AI for work to avoid leaking company data, or creating a copyright violation. The AI answers that search engines are now providing are most of the time returning the same web pages that the search engines normally provide, except in two significant cases, the AI engine generated examples with significant syntax errors. There are many web sites that provide free python self paced training. Currently Drats2 is still at in the setup of the boilerplate stage, this boilerplate is just setting up the framework needed for organizing the project. It is at a state where a beginning python programmer can clone the repository and learn the structure. There is a developer_notes.txt that I cam keeping notes of what I plan and what did not work. The intent is that content from it can be put in the drats2 wiki. This is something that volunteers can assist with. 73, -John wb8tyw
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