On 4/18/2025 10:34 AM, Daryl Stout via groups.io wrote:

I uninstalled the MobaXTerm, as IObit Malware Fighter said it was
infected. I'm still using the old D-Rats 0.3.9 on my Windows 10
system, and that's the only reason I'll have a Windows 10 setup.

IOBit and other malware scanners are reported to have had false positives with Cygwin.

MobaXterm is based on Cygwin with a more user friendly interface.

I use MalwareBytes free malware scanner as it has been able to find malware that others have not found.

MalwareBytes fixed a false positive on detecting Cygwin as malware in 2020. I have not seen it false positive on Cygwin on any of my systems.

I never heard of IOBit before, but Reddit has a couple of threads on it, and the users there do not seem to have a high opinion of it to put it mildly.

These came up high on a google search of "iobit malware fighter false positive cygwin"

Microsoft screwed things up big time with this recent update to 24H2,
or whatever it is. What they feel is good for the goose is definitely
not good for the gander...and they don't believe in "if it ain't
broke, don't fix it".

D-Rats 0.3.9 is broken in many places, you just have not run into some of the known issues yet.

D-Rats 0.4.x is the only version that is getting any fixes, unless someone wants to figure out how to back port the fixes to 0.3.9.

Regards,
-John

On 3/19/2025 6:15 PM, John E. Malmberg via groups.io wrote:

On 3/19/2025 1:04 PM, Randy-W4LKS wrote:

I tried the MobaXterm install today.? The script fails because BusyBox is not installed.? If you manually install Busybox, then re-run the installer script, it will install.? Maybe add BusyBox as one of the required packages?? Randy

After your post, I updated the Wiki page with the workaround.

A fix has been landed so that new installs should work with out the needing the hack.


Fixes from 0.3.9 version include:

* Data loss over radio links fixed
* QSTs with data from beacons fixed.
* Optional GEOIP lookup fixed.
* APRS Symbols properly converted from D-Rats symbols and display properly on the map.


73,
-John
wb8tyw

Hello all,

Most of you may know this, but it appears that many people do not know how this now ancient thing known e-mail mailing lists actually works.

Mailing lists in the internet have a documented protocol that is known by e-mail programs, similar to how in Amateur radio you have protocols for various message traffic nets.

If you want your questions or new topics seen and properly answered on mailing list including this mailing list, you must *NOT* use the "REPLY" button on your mail client to send the message as a reply to an unrelated message.

Using REPLY for a new topic or a question will get your message to be miss-filed in the past history of old messages. Many of the e-mail programs will "helpfully" hide your message from the people that you want to see it as their default settings, For example the GMAIL application on Android devices, and the Thunderbird E-mail client.

In addition, it will also be harder to find in the archives for someone reading old messages in hopes of finding an answer to a similar questing in the past. The e-mail archive of a list will sort messages and their replies separately and does not use the subject text of the messages for that sorting, it uses a hidden message id code generated by a message.

This is the way that almost all internet mailing lists work, and not something that is unique to this mailing list.

To get your question or new topic seen, you have to use the "NEW Message" or equivalent button on your mail client.

The REPLY button should only be used to provide a comment on a previous message on the mailing list.

It may be simpler to always use "REPLY", but that is not how the mailing list software and the e-mail programs are expecting messages to be written.

73,
-John
wb8tyw

On 4/14/2025 11:09 PM, Tommy Beene - KD4CHW via groups.io wrote:

Thanks John.? Hope you're doing well..? Missed seeing you at Huntsville last year.

Unfortunately I have not been able to get to Huntsville, I do plan to be Dayton Hamvention this year again.

I sent you an email concerning the beginning of the DRats journey
back on 4/02 Probably went into your junk folder (where it belongs
hihi).

Can't find any trace of it, various places that it could have gone wrong since neither of the spam filters that my wb8tyw e-mails go through are state of the art for spam filtering.

At least if you send it to this list, I can look it up in the archives.

It is actually better to send it to this list as while I am doing a lot of the work on D-Rats, there are other developers that are assisting and also testing the changes. A contributor from France just contributed to fixing some potential data corruption issues on AX-25 and Radio links.

Since then I have done all I can think of to find the errors and
correct them in the code. Nope...can't find them. I'm stuck.

I am confused, if you sent an e-mail, most e-mail clients keep a copy in their sent folder. Source code is on GitHub for anyone to look at and file tickets.

It really wasn't work all the work but the challenge sucked me in. So
I will use 3.9 on the old $50 Evolve laptop and wait for DRats 2 to use
it on my Windows 11 machine.

I did the D-Rats python3 conversion on $0 laptops that had been given to me which I installed Anti-X Linux. Windows testing was on an old Windows 7 laptop until Msys2 dropped support for Windows 7. I could still use the Free MobaXterm application to run D-Rats on Windows 7 the last time I checked, but that was a few months ago.

The 0.3.9 release drops data from the radio periodically due to a bug in the serial port handling.

That bug took a while to detect because it only happens when using a radio and not when doing offline testing.

d-rats2 is probably going to take a while to get done.

73,
-John
wb8tyw

On 3/19/2025 1:04 PM, Randy-W4LKS wrote:

I tried the MobaXterm install today.? The script fails because BusyBox is not installed.? If you manually install Busybox, then re-run the installer script, it will install.? Maybe add BusyBox as one of the required packages?? Randy

In all of our previous installs, The Busybox package had already been installed and was being used instead the actual packages.

The problem was that none of the busybox aliases for the real packages are passed to a running script, so the script had to be written to be busybox specific instead of being a generic script.

Looks like something changed MobaXterm since the rest of us installed it. Thanks for the report. I will open a ticket on that soon.

73,
-John

I tried the MobaXterm install today.? The script fails because BusyBox is not installed.? If you manually install Busybox, then re-run the installer script, it will install.? Maybe add BusyBox as one of the required packages?? Randy

On 3/17/2025 5:28 PM, Tommy Beene - KD4CHW via groups.io wrote:

Hi John,
I'm a new user to D-Rats and this is a bit confusing to me. Do I
follow the link on the D-Star website for 0.3.9 or go to your
repository and get a 0.4.? version?

If you are asking me, the answer will be the 0.4.7 version of course.

Or does it matter?

Versions older than 0.4.7 are not being maintained.

All versions older than 0.4.7 have a bug where they will discard received data under some conditions, which can result is lost data.
There have been other bug fixes.

The 0.3.9 version has not had any security updates in a very long time.

And if I need the 0.4.?, which link is it?

This is option 1, which has the least steps and at last check still works as far back as Windows 7. That is the one that is getting the most recent testing.



Option 2, has more steps but also works, now needs Windows 10 or later, and will probably stop working on Windows 10 shortly after Microsoft drops official support of Windows 10.

I have a Windows 10 and 11 computer and understand that I need Python
for both and can navigate that, just not sure if It matters what
version I install.

D-Rats requires Python 3 and GTK 3 and the prebuilt version of Python for Microsoft Windows is incomplete as compared to other platforms.

There is no pre-built version of GTK 3 for Microsoft Windows and the existing source will not build on Microsoft windows using the Visual Studio Express free compiler.

73,
-John

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