Let’s consider the history of D-RATS. When it was first developed (and still under development) by Dan, it was intended to be a D-STAR data tool when there wasn’t one. The development through 0.3.9 offered some very good features, but I’ll
be blunt, Dan lost interest and moved on to Chirp and other projects. At that point, it was a functional application, but all of the bugs had not been worked out.
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To this point various groups, including Larry’s (an my) own state of Georgia along with other areas, has active D-RATS groups and it’s been used and continues to be used in emcomm applications including ARES and AUXCOMM. In Georgia, D-RATS
is considered one of three desirable data programs also including Winlink and NBEMS. Does it still have some bugs, YES, but isn’t that the reason there is an active effort by Maurizio and others to migrate it to a supported version of Python so that development
can continue.
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One of the reasons Winlink is a reliable tool is that there is a team of developers actively working on the app and I applaud their effort. D-RATS now has that, but it will take time. As I always say, if you don’t like something, don’t
use it but don’t throw stones at those who do use it and trying to make it better.
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Thanks to Maurizio and team for your continued effort to make D-RATS a better tool for D-STAR and others.
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John WB4QDX
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of
Larry Whited
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 8:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [d-rats] 2 files uploaded #file-notice
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Perhaps you are not used to the reliability and dependability and rich feature set of Winlink Express and FLDIGI. The programs work reliably, always install flawlessly and have many forms. They
are very useful in an RF environment.
My experience with DRATS is that it often locks up, closes unexpectedly, or fails to send a message until it is closed and reopened and has the same very limited forms setup it has had for years.? This sort of behavior cannot be?tolerated in an emergency situation.
Also, its interaction with RF is very limited. I rather imagine that this lags way behind because of the above. Bandwidth is very limited as well.?
I offered this in response to another complaint. It has been my experience for years. I'm sorry if it i
>??It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form
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Can I ask what drives to this statement?
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Thanks,
maurizio
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When DRATS works, out of the box on current Windows machines, I will consider installing it. It is nowhere near ready after all these years. It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form. Let me know when it
is fully ready for primetime and I will be a very happy user!
Larry Whited, AB4NX
I downloaded the D-RATS tar.gz in dropped it on my desktop.? When I tried to run it, the traceback said that there was no "gi".? I have GIT on this laptop.? How do you run D-RATS???
Thanks
David, AC7DS
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On 12/3/23 14:04, Group Notification wrote:
The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the
[email protected]?group.
By:?John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
Description:
Many file transfer / messaging fixes. Installation in MobaXterm support. Radio transfer dropped character fix.
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Perhaps you are not used to the reliability and dependability and rich feature set of Winlink Express and FLDIGI. The programs work
reliably, always install flawlessly and have many forms. They are very useful in an RF environment.
My experience with DRATS is that it often locks up, closes unexpectedly, or fails to send a message until it is closed and reopened and has the same very limited forms setup it has had for years.? This sort of behavior cannot be?tolerated in an emergency situation.
Also, its interaction with RF is very limited. I rather imagine that this lags way behind because of the above. Bandwidth is very limited as well.?
I offered this in response to another complaint. It has been my experience for years. I'm sorry if it i
Larry, AB4NX
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>??It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form
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Can I ask what drives to this statement?
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Thanks,
maurizio
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When DRATS works, out of the box on current Windows machines, I will consider installing it. It is nowhere near ready after all these years.
It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form. Let me know when it is fully ready for primetime and I will be a very happy user!
Larry Whited, AB4NX
I downloaded the D-RATS tar.gz in dropped it on my desktop.? When I tried to run it, the traceback said that there was no "gi".? I have GIT on this laptop.? How do you run D-RATS???
Thanks
David, AC7DS
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On 12/3/23 14:04, Group Notification wrote:
The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the
[email protected]?group.
By:?John E. Malmberg
<wb8tyw@...>
Description:
Many file transfer / messaging fixes. Installation in MobaXterm support. Radio transfer dropped character fix.
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?It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form
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Can I ask what drives to this statement?
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Thanks,
maurizio
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When DRATS works, out of the box on current Windows machines, I will consider installing it. It is nowhere near ready after all these years. It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form. Let
me know when it is fully ready for primetime and I will be a very happy user!
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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 11:31 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [d-rats] 2 files uploaded #file-notice
I downloaded the D-RATS tar.gz in dropped it on my desktop.? When I tried to run it, the traceback said that there was no "gi".? I have GIT on this laptop.? How do you run D-RATS???
Thanks
David, AC7DS
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On 12/3/23 14:04, Group Notification wrote:
The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the
[email protected] group.
By: John E. Malmberg
<wb8tyw@...>
Description:
Many file transfer / messaging fixes. Installation in MobaXterm support. Radio transfer dropped character fix.
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D Rats.Version 0.4.2 and more
Hi: Please note latest changes in D-Rats code are now included in the news.rst file. Code releases this year are the Python3 - base code.? Congratulations to John and developers for the much-appreciated and needed python3 migration.? ?To my best understanding python3 base code is the one that will include new features, and enhancements as determined by developers. The work done by developers lead by John, have been intensive and time-consuming.? ?If you want to follow D - Rats progress, issues and so on I strongly recommend to check?. Right now you can run the D - Rats latest (pyhton3 - base) code from Linux, Mac, and Windows. I have been able to run latest code in Windows 10 and Linux environments.? For more information and instructions please check? D - Rats development is steady, check the link above (github) to see the issues, progress and keep in touch or better contribute!? Also check the wiki section. Thank you very very much to John, Maurizio and other developers!? Hope to see some new features in D Rats during 2024 development!? 73' Edfel KP4AJ Below I am including the changes from 0.4.1.
D_Rats.Version 0.4.2 (2023-11-28)
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Bugfixes
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- Changed to use Python csv module for csv file. (#119)
- User's default html and text viewer applications will now be used. (#129)
- D-Rats Repeater should not try to run a GUI console when not possible. (#176)
- Fix version fallback when running from GitHub archive. (#187)
- Fixed sound on Linux and enabled it for Mac OS. (#191)
- Optional Lookup of longitude and Latitude by address now available
? in the GPS configuration dialog. (#199)
- Add version reporting to d-rats_repeater. (#200)
- Fix password validation for Ratflectors. (#201)
- Add --version qualifier to d-rats.py (#204)
- Fix Shebang on internationalization_test.py #209 (#209)
- Fix NMEA to decimal degree conversions. (#211)
- Fix Form save/send/print not working. (#215)
- Fix loading of translations.
? Updated About Dialog.
? Moved icons into images folder for icons and images and moved *.ico into it. (#218)
- Fix crash in adding e-mail accounts. (#224)
- Fixed crash on removing attachments from a message. (#226)
- Fix message attachment extraction (#228)
- Fix D-Rats flooding of the console log with invalid DPRS symbol messages.
? Fix config dialog for selecting APRS and DPRS icons. (#230)
- Use the locale environment variables for default locale. (#236)
- Added APRS Overlay support. (#237)
- Fix d-rats_repeater device entry. (#243)
- version.py version lookup fails if git is not installed. (#245)
- Fix build_pot.sh to also rebuild the binary message databases. (#249)
- Do not run D-rats client or repeater with privileges (#250)
- Fix formatting error in d-rats Repater code. (#251)
- Use serial driver XON/XOFF Handling (#253)
- File transfer was creating directory with remote station name in
? the current working directory. (#257)
- Fix sending image resize dialog. (#265)
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When DRATS works, out of the box on current Windows machines, I will consider installing it. It is nowhere near ready after all these years. It is not suitable?for emcomm in its current form. Let me know when it is fully ready for primetime and I will be a
very happy user!
Larry Whited, AB4NX
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I downloaded the D-RATS tar.gz in dropped it on my desktop.? When I tried to run it, the traceback said that there was no "gi".? I have GIT on this laptop.? How do you run D-RATS???
Thanks
David, AC7DS
On 12/3/23 14:04, Group Notification wrote:
The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the
[email protected] group.
By: John E. Malmberg
<wb8tyw@...>
Description:
Many file transfer / messaging fixes. Installation in MobaXterm support. Radio transfer dropped character fix.
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I downloaded the D-RATS tar.gz in dropped it on my
desktop.? When I tried to run it, the traceback said that there
was no "gi".? I have GIT on this laptop.? How do you run
D-RATS???
Thanks
David, AC7DS
On 12/3/23 14:04, Group Notification
wrote:
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area of the [email protected] group.
By: John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
Description:
Many file transfer / messaging fixes. Installation in MobaXterm
support.
Radio transfer dropped character fix.
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Re: New 0.4.2 release with MobaXterm on Windows support
John,
Switched the laptop, then the desktop to MobaXTerm. Outside of the very extensive and long download sequence ("quite a while" needs clarifying in the Wiki - seems to have been well over an hour here), seems to run off the script without a hitch. On the refreshed main fork for now. Thanks for putting the testing instructions in the Wiki.
Was not clear if MSYS needed to be deleted, but did so to avoid overloading the storage locally without things. Will continue to test as much as possible as additional patches are rolled out. Should be able to copy the setting by hand from my ancient 0.3.x install.
73 and Thanks!
Jack Spitznagel – KD4IZ
Science River LLC
Biomedical Consulting Services
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of John E. Malmberg Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 15:21 To: [email protected]Subject: [d-rats] New 0.4.2 release with MobaXterm on Windows support A new 0.4.2 release of D-Rats is now available. A new installation script for installing on Microsoft Windows using MobaXterm instead of Msys2 has been prepared. The MobaXterm install has been tested with Windows 7, 10, and 11. For other platforms it is available both from cloning and or updating a github checkout from . The pip installable tarball is at /g/d-rats/files/D-Rats/D-Rats%20ReleasesThis fixes many issues with message and form transfers. This also fixes an issue where on radio links, D-Rats may randomly drop characters resulting in incomplete communications, failed responses and file transfers. All older versions of D-rats are known to have this bug. Similar scripts as used for MobaXterm should be possible for other platforms. MobaXterm is compatible with most Linux commands at the command line level, but not 100% compatible with shell scripts for Linux. 73, -John wb8tyw
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New 0.4.2 release with MobaXterm on Windows support
A new 0.4.2 release of D-Rats is now available. A new installation script for installing on Microsoft Windows using MobaXterm instead of Msys2 has been prepared. The MobaXterm install has been tested with Windows 7, 10, and 11. For other platforms it is available both from cloning and or updating a github checkout from . The pip installable tarball is at /g/d-rats/files/D-Rats/D-Rats%20ReleasesThis fixes many issues with message and form transfers. This also fixes an issue where on radio links, D-Rats may randomly drop characters resulting in incomplete communications, failed responses and file transfers. All older versions of D-rats are known to have this bug. Similar scripts as used for MobaXterm should be possible for other platforms. MobaXterm is compatible with most Linux commands at the command line level, but not 100% compatible with shell scripts for Linux. 73, -John wb8tyw
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@...>
Description:
Many file transfer / messaging fixes. Installation in MobaXterm support.
Radio transfer dropped character fix.
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Re: drats feature crashing
On 11/18/2023 10:09 AM, DTrounce de KL4KF wrote: i am new to both D-rats and linux based OS but i was able to clone a
working vs from github, installed and was working fine until i tried
to add a local host, now i cannot add any new radio ports in
preferences. > i cannot open preferences its giving an error. Traceback (most recent call last):
<snip> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/GObject.py", line 240, in set_value
raise TypeError("Expected string but got %s%s" %
TypeError: Expected string but got 9000<class 'int'> That error looks like a problem in the configuration file "~/.d-rats-ev/d-rats.config" The past and current storage of the radio data makes it very easy to create an invalid entry for a radio which will result in the behavior that you are seeing. The section of the file by default is: [ports] ports_0 = True,net:ref.d-rats.com:9000,,False,False,RAT And an example from one of my development machines: [ports] ports_0 = True,net:localhost:9000,password,True,True,localhost ports_1 = True,net:pldares.ratflector.com:9000,,False,False,pldares ports_2 = False,net:ref.d-rats.com:9000,,False,False,RAT ports_3 = True,net:sttammany.ratflector.com:9000,,False,False,StTammany ports_4 = True,/dev/ttyUSB0,9600,True,True,usb0 If you put a comma character in the network address entry or pretty much any other punctuation character where it is not expected, d-rats is not going to be able to process the file. You should be able to edit the file on Linux with your favorite text editor to fix it. There are several open tickets to make that configuration better, but it is going to take a lot of work to do it right. 73, -John wb8tyw
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iam new to both D-rats and linux based OS but i was able to clone a working vs from github, installed and was working fine until i tried to add a local host, now i cannot add any new radio ports in preferences.
i cannot open preferences its giving an error.
Traceback (most recent call last):
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/mainwindow.py", line 289, in _activate_prefs
??? saved = self._config.show(parent=self._window)
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/config.py", line 2860, in show
??? drats_ui = DratsConfigUI(self, parent)
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/config.py", line 2670, in __init__
??? self.build_ui()
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/config.py",? 2769, in build_ui
??? add_panel(DratsTCPIncomingPanel, "tcpin", _("TCP Gateway"), network)
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/config.py", line 2731, in add_panel
??? panel = c_arg(self.config, *args)
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/config.py", line 2144, in __init__
??? list_widget = val.add_list(incols)
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/config.py", line 1042, in add_list
??? list_widget.set_item(key, *tuple(vals))
? File "/home/tactpi/D-Rats/d_rats/keyedlistwidget.py", line 185, in set_item
??? self.__store.append(row=(key,) + values)
? File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py", line 1004, in append
??? return self._do_insert(-1, row)
? File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py", line 995, in _do_insert
??? row, columns = self._convert_row(row)
? File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py", line 902, in _convert_row
??? result.append(self._convert_value(cur_col, value))
? File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/Gtk.py", line 916, in _convert_value
??? return GObject.Value(self.get_column_type(column), value)
? File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/GObject.py", line 208, in __init__
??? self.set_value(py_value)
? File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/overrides/GObject.py", line 240, in set_value
??? raise TypeError("Expected string but got %s%s" %
TypeError: Expected string but got 9000<class 'int'>
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Re: Question Potential Symbol Rate Restrictions Removal and D - Rats
I don't see this change doing anything for DStar or D-Rats. If you use a newer radio and "fast data" you're about as fast as the data stream in DStar will support. It's basically serial packet data, as I understand it. It's just not AX25, it's digital. Could there be something faster using that digital signal? I have no idea, really.?
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Question Potential Symbol Rate Restrictions Removal and D - Rats
Hi:
Regarding Nov FCC meeting that might be a big step to remove Symbol Rate Restriction on Amateur Bands.? ?
If removal applies to VHF and UHF bands, How that could potentially benefit D - Rats users?? VHF / UHF radios will require a firmware update to be able to function or take advantage of the change?? or new radios manufacturing will be required?? ?I am very positive as ARRL was a petitioner of that change and FCC talks about innovation, experimentation, digital modes and EMCOMM.? Those are my favorite Ham Radio words.??
Thanks in Advance!!
Edfel
KP4AJ
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Sorry did not think of this. Open up your RSMS1A on phone, look at application settings and scroll down to baud rate for USB. Make sure it matches the radio. Also do this same thing on your computer.?
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John,?
Can you email Ray Novak at Icom? He appears to have access to the developers of the phone apps. Ray is super supportive. RayNovak@...?. He was going to get a ticket to see about getting the phone app to parse raw text from D-Rats so it would be, kind of, readable. We can see raw text from the phone app in D-Rats right now (turn on sniffer and raw text in chat). Having it fully functional would be great.?
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Re: Creating a 0.4.0 version?
There is also an RS-MS1i for iOS. But it only works on the latest few Icom radios and not sure about the upcoming new Kenwood. IC705, 9700, ID52 and 4100 can all work with the Apple app. I'm guessing probably also the TH75 as Kenwood seems to have made that on par with the latest Icom stuff.?
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John,? Can you email Ray Novak at Icom? He appears to have access to the developers of the phone apps. Ray is super supportive. RayNovak@...?. He was going to get a ticket to see about getting the phone app to parse raw text from D-Rats so it would be, kind of, readable. We can see raw text from the phone app in D-Rats right now (turn on sniffer and raw text in chat). Having it fully functional would be great.?
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Hey Scott, Make sure your radio BT has the Bluetooth data set BACK to "CI V". D-Rats you set to "DV Data", all else is "CI-V".?
Then, use the RS MS1A to connect. Not the radio. It will connect right up.?
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Just got a U-Blox7 GPS USB device.
Finding the official signed driver for Microsoft Windows was an adventure as all existing links to the official drivers were dead.
For others reference until someone can put it in the D-Rats wiki:
Download u-center, and run the install script.
For d-rats to use the device, you only need to install the driver, not the entire u-center package. It will show up as a usb serial device.
Note: I have not had time to test this device with D-Rats yet.
For Linux the device shows up as /dev/ttyACM0.
Linux may have a service running that may allocate the device.
73,
-John
WB8TYW
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On 9/23/2023 5:20 PM, Scott Redfield wrote: I can never connect my id52a to RS-MS1A on Bluetooth. Very discouraging. There are some incompatibilities in the BlueTooth protocols, particularly some devices only support LE (Low Energy) and some devices have no support for that. There are some android applications for monitoring wifi and bluetooth signals and reporting what the Android can handle. Using one of those may help figure things out. I have a OTC connectors for my tablets, and I can connect to the RS-MS1A through a USB serial port connected to that. A tablet may not provide enough power to directly run the USB Serial port, so a powered hub may be needed. Since USB-C no longer needs powered hubs, powered USB hubs are getting more expensive or hard to find. Remember that when you are at the flea-market and see one for sale. I want to get the bluetooth working though because I can not charge my tablet while the OTC adapter is installed. Sitting in my parts bin waiting for me to get time to work on it are several TTL to bluetooth modules for Arduinos and several bluetooth USB adapters. And everything needed to connect my older I-Comm radio serial port to connect to one of the bluetooth modules. Unfortunately it will need 4.5 volts of battery power to run it, and I don't know the current drain yet. 73, -John
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Edfel Rivera
Jack Spitznagel (KD4IZ)
DTrounce de KL4KF
Scott Redfield