That was one of my thoughts, I just wonder if running too high of power on the base 5100 could hurt the pi.
I KNOW I can hit the radio at home from the hospital, just not sure the level of power needed to hit the radio in the car from the base....i THINK 5w would work....will need to test.

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I'm learning more here as I go. I am assuming I can just run a ratflector from my home computer, and hook it up the 5100 to take rf traffic in? Could that be a better option??

That, and now i'm unsure how to connect to a ratflector with the pi. I thought that there were ratflectors that you could just connect to like a reflector.... like say 19-D. and now think I was wrong.

I MAY be getting an older 880 that I might just set up as a permanent radio to get into a ratflector I set up at home.

Side note: Our terminology is very confusing LOL.

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First thought is … if you can reach you home base station from you vehicle in the parking lot:

Hi, I am looking at options for using D-RATS to send e-mail for ARES and other functions.

Current set-up:
ID-5100 in the car
IS-5100 at home?
Zumspot duplex at home connected to the internet
Several computers hooked up the the Internet

Is there a way I can use my base radio to send winlink e-mail through the Zumspot??

I need to send some Winlink e-mails during a test for the hospital radios in our area, The Hospital I am assigned to does not have a radio YET (New hospital, just opened. They ARE committed to installing a radio), so I will be setting up in the parking lots for the area test.

I currently don't have a signal-link or anything like that to send packet radio.

There are at least 3 D-Star repeaters in the area, 2 are a little more "home grown" the 3rd is a professional quality set-up. All 3 are normally linked to 19b (basically our state wide repeater network).

If I can avoid using those repeaters, I would prefer that option. If not, I'll ask the guy with the home grown repeaters if I can link to a ratflector for 4 hours. Oh yeah, the test is over 4 hours, hence not wanting to tie up a repeater.

So basically, I want to talk from my car, to my home rig, and through the home rig, connect to the internet via the hotspot or a computer.(Edited)? Can I just use the wi-fi on the computer hooked up to the base rig and set that up as my own ratflector?

Put another way, which options are possible and/or preferred to send a winlink e-mail from my car for up to 4 hours.

1) Car to local repeater, connected to a ratflector (is this possible?)
2) Car to home radio, then to Zumspot (like a crossband repeater?)
3) Car to home radio, then to my own ratflector running on a laptop (It would be a temporary setup, so I'm not worried about IP changes)
4) Suck it up and get another hotspot to take with you in the car!
5) Other

Sorry, VERY new to this and got thrown in the deep end for this ARES test. My ARES group doesn't use D-Star (yet) but is big on Winlink. If I can figure this out, I might be able to push for more D-Star/D-Rats use.

Thanks! 73!
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John

On 8/7/2022 10:14 AM, Ralph Barbakoff wrote:

Hi John
Currently using Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04!
Ubuntu 20.Xx needs 64 bit machine, no 32 bit support!!
My ancient Dell display driver intermittently fails and freezes
machine-not sure where to go machine and operating system wise next?

This is what I am doing to keep being able to use the older systems with a currently "supported" operating system.



My upgrade of my laptop from anti-x 19 to anti-x 21 seems to have worked with only one issue. The upgrade removed python2, and the packages needed to run the python2 version of d-rats. So at the moment, I can only run the new fork, and can not test for the older behavior.

73,
-John

Hi John

Currently using Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04!

Ubuntu 20.Xx needs 64 bit machine, no 32 bit support!!

My ancient Dell display driver intermittently fails and freezes machine-not sure where to go machine and operating system wise next?

Be well!!

Thanks!!

Ralph Barbakoff (WA9LKZ)

need instructions to set up radio on d-rats created ratflector

I created a ratflector using a dedicated IP address for network internet access and it works fine

How do I add radio access to this reflector??


I am using the RTS systems orange cord to an ID 880 connected to the PC.

How do I configure the D-RATS program, so it recognizes the reflector from other D-RATS users connecting via radio.

Hello all,

I would like to know what are the desired operating systems and python3 distributions that Hams would be wanting to use.

You can send the responses to me do not need to send them to the list, and I will try to summarize them. Use wb8tyw gmail.com e-mail address if there are issues with my qsl.net address.

It may take me a while to summarize them, but it would help with planning future packaging support.

Be aware that Microsoft is dropping all support for Windows earlier than Windows 10 after 2022. This usually means that the python package maintainers also will tend to also drop support for those packages.

Currently the minimum version of python supported is python 3.7, and support ends for python3.7 on June 27, 2023.

What that means is that if you intend to run an updated d-rats on anything older than Windows 10, or python 3.8, you need to get your system setup now for it, as the required packages may no longer be easily available after those end of life dates.

And also indicate if you can work on or debug packaging for the platForms. Debug means that you can actually figure out what is not working and now to make it work, and are willing to join.

Please indicate if you can test for a platform, and try to let us know if it works, and the community can try to determine the fix.

I personally will not be able to install any python packages that require purchasing a license for commercial use, even if they are available free for personal non-commercial use, so I will not be able to test them.

Example for me:

Windows 7, Msys2 Python 3.10.5, debug, test
Windows 10, Msys2 Python 3.10.5, debug, test
Anti-X Linux 19.2, Python 3.7.3 (currently), debug, test

I am about to try updating the Anti-X system to Version 21 to get a newer Python. I hope that it still works after that. When I set this system up, Anti-X was the only distribution that supported the using dual displays on it.

73,
John WB8TYW

Also make sure BOTH radios are in the same mode.
There are 2 types of data transmissions: Slow mode, as supported by most D-Star radios, and DV Fast Data as supported by IC9700 and 705...
I ran into this using a IC7100 with an IC9700, whara the 7100 ony supported slow mode and the 9700 being set by default for fast data..

Marius, YO2LOJ

Troubleshooting D-Rats:

Two computers running d-rats can have a NULL modem cable connected between them instead of connecting d-rats to a radio.

If you have only USB to radio cables, that will be harder to rig up but may still possible, but would take wiring up some jacks to cross the data lines depending on what the data port on the radio now looks like.

USB Driver updates on Microsoft Windows can stop USB adapters from working.

Since you report that the you are getting some communications, that indicates it is probably not a USB adapter issue.

Baud-rate, and character size, parity and stop bits should be checked, but I also do not think that is the issue.

Character size should be 8 bits, parity should be none, and stop bits should be one. Baud rate depends on the radio.

You can turn on the "sniff" and "raw" settings for a radio port to get more information about what is being received.

I am still trying to get a flow chart of the d-rats protocols. There appear to be some conditions where communications can just be silently dropped by one d-rats program, causing the remote program to hang.
Having two stations with the same call and ID connected to each other seems to be one of the ways to cause that condition.

While the URL for the map tile server may appear to be correct, there may be issues with the upstream server. There have been some alternate servers that are available that have been mentioned on this list.

Try instead, as it seems to work better.
Or try https//tile.thunderforest.com/cycle which needs you to setup a free account and get an API key.

Also be aware:
* Support for python3 on Microsoft Windows 7 is deprecated as of 2022. At some point in 2022 or later new installations of python3 on Windows 7 will not be available or upgrades may fail.
* Python 3.7 is the lowest version of python now supported.
* Support for python3 on 32 bit Microsoft Windows is already gone.
* Support for python2 is already gone.
* Support for gtk2 which d-rats depends on is gone.
* Support for libxml which d-rats depends on is gone.
* The geopy (address to lat/lon lookup) built into the python2 d-rats is coded for a yahoo service that has been shutdown, and is too old to support the free services that I could find that are still working.
* The format and some URLs for external data for weather, buoys, etc, have changed, and python2 d-rats does not appear to have the fixes.
* D-rats does not care about the SSID (The -x appended to the callsign).
Some types of radio connections restrict it to a single digit number.
* File transfers do not work between all d-rats systems before v0.3.10b2.dev300. There is a bug in the code and protocol that prevents big-endian (Sparc/PowerPC/etc) and X86/arm based systems from interchanging files and forms. Big Endian systems must be at v0.3.10.b2.dev300, my experimental port to interchange files with X86/arm based systems.
The protocol bug has not been fixed, just the big-endian systems are now coded to have the same bug so that they will interoperate with the majority of the d-rats systems out there.
* Map display has been completely re-written for python3, and the plotting of stations should now be accurate at all zoom levels.

The serial connector from Icom for my radio is missing some very strongly recommended optional internal jumpers. Python2 d-rats does not pay attention to the signals or have any way to diagnose that condition. In the future the python3 version will allow testing for that in the radio configuration dialog for radios and TNCs.

If those jumpers were present, d-rats could be enhanced to detect if the serial connector had become disconnected.

73, and good luck.
-John

Yes..... Same RF freq. and within RF range of each other and you are good to go.--

That may not be entirely correct, we are a group of 15 have used D_RATS since the original version 0..3.3? via ratflector and via radio. Due to some issues with Comcast we have taken down our ratflector, and are now using D-RATS strictly on RF, we went through versions daily build 2012 and 2014 with no problems, D-RATS was always there and reliable both Inet and RF.
We are now using 0.3.9 exclusively (no beta) and seeing receive issues that we have never experienced before, we have tried both repeater and simplex with the same results on both.
Receive is intermittent at best for some stations, some not at all, and others no issue whatsoever.? One station has tried 2 radios, 2 WIN 7 computers, and different USB ports and cables, he receives some but not all stations, simplex or repeater.
Other stations just receive intermittently, also through the repeater and simplex, 2 stations regularly copy all transmissions and pings.
We have run connectivity tests from an operating station to the defective stations and get no results, yet all of these stations did work well previously. The stations that do not receive messages do not see all of the stations on air in their station list as you would expect. A ping from a defective station yields a report that station* replied to the ping but it does not always show up in the station list.
We have run tests and nets and have yet to find a reason for the reception issues, the defective stations do transmit fine.?
We have come to the conclusion that there is something amiss in the reception of the station id that does not allow the station to acknowledge the sending station.??

One other issue that we have just seen crop up is the maptiles are not loading on a win 11 machine, we have verified the tile address to be correct.?
AL M
KF5SMH

Hello All,

Current status is that I think that most of the existing bugs in the port may also be in the older d-rats as well, but that may be wishful thinking.

I have a PR out for review that when landed converts it to use a new packaging procedure.



WARNING: Do not assume any past install procedures or kitting
procedures will work after this patch is landed or when testing this patch. Python has deprecated them for new projects.

DO NOT RUN THE setup.py script!

You must read the README.md file supplied with the patch if you want things to work.

A lot of stuff has changed.

The "python -m build" when used as directed will create a PIP instalable tarball good for only the platform it was run on.

The method of producing a self installing EXE file with an embedded python does not appear to be supported anywhere that I can find,
So support for that is dropped until I can find out how to implement it.

I have some feedback from Rod, KA5MYE for Mac deployment on Anaconda Python which I plan to incorporate in my local WIKI and into the README.md file.

Feedback for running from a git checkout source or running the python -m build command and then installing it for multiple platforms is needed.

Next I am going to start focusing on getting some github actions working including doing pylint and spelling checks, and maybe some other automatic testing.

We also only have English and Italian message catalog sources so we need help in that area as per:

.

Have fun and 73,

-John
wb8tyw

Trying to go P2P - not involving the internet at all. Is this possible with D-RATS?

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From Ron?

Trying that - didn't seem to help.? The program announces when run it, and announces when I exit it, meaning it's trying to tell the other program that there is someone there and then when leaving.? But I just can't get them to see each other...

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Hi this is Ron WB3ILX,

So I have my 705 and my 9700 connected to D-RATS via 2 different computers via USB.? I am trying to get one station to show up in the other computer - but no matter what I do it won't show up. If I right click and select ping all stations, both stations will send out a ping over the radio with no issues.? However it's like the received signal is not registering with D-RATS. I also send a chat message and both send no issues, but neither will show up in the stations box.? What am I doing wrong?

Replace probably with will ask.