Hello Glen,
Linux can be "fully featured" depending on what functionality you
want.? If you're looking for high amounts of features similar to a
Windows environment, consider Mint or Ubuntu but I would argue NONE
of those are well suited for a $35 computer.? This is why "Raspbian"
and now "Raspberry Pi OS" uses a much lighter weight OS load, GUI
setup, etc. to be more suited with less CPU power, less RAM, less
I/O, etc.? You CANNOT compare even a 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 to a
multi-hundred dollar X86 system with a much higher performance CPU,
lot more RAM, much faster storage I/O, etc.
As for software, the choice is yours.? You can simply add pre-built
software either via the commands line or a GUI tool very easily but
most of that software is OLD.? Why is it old?? This is mostly
because the maintenance work to keep software up to date in the
Debian repos is done on very conservative time frame.? If you want
more bleeding edge versions of programs, you need to run a bleeding
edge version of Debian (not RaspberryPi OS).?? Read this for more
detail - Debian "testing" : (
) but understand that the OS and those programs aren't 100% tested
and stable.? Again, that URL will explain why.? Other distros are
ONLY this way such as Arch, Gentoo, etc as they are "rolling
releases".
One alternative to these approaches is to use a stable OS but
compile the bleeding edge applications.? This is what KM4ACK is
doing but he's creating some automation for you to make it easier
for new Linux users. This is sometimes the ONLY way to get newer
software as the various software applications such as D-Rats hasn't
made any official releases in a very long time and thus
Distributions won't know when to package up newer versions.?
?If you don't like the compile speed from your $35 computer and $16
storage device, you can use alternative storage to speed things up
(a UASP enabled USB3 SSDs), buy and use one of the faster SBCs than
a Raspberry Pis (
), or
learn how to do cross compiling on a much faster x86 computer and
then put the resulting binaries into your Raspberry Pi.? The choice
is yours.
Finally, to your upgrade point, those aren't three difference ways
to do an upgrade, those are the required three commands to do ONE
complete update:
?? - apt update :: this fetches the newest packet database from the
Internet.? That's it
?? - apt upgrade :: this fetches the newest packages for most of the
applications, etc.
?? - apt full-upgrade? :: this is also known as "dist-upgrade" is to
upgrade some more fundamental parts of the OS
If you wish to not use the CLI and prefer GUIs for updates, read
this URL that I found using a search like "Raspberry Pi GUI updater"
-
As you learn Linux, you'll see that packaging of programs differs
between Linux distributions be it deb-based (Debian, Raspbian, Mint,
Ubuntu, etc) which uses the "apt" or "apt-get" commands from the
command line
?RPM-based systems (Redhat Enterprise, Centos, OpenSuse, Fedora,
etc), etc.? PKG for distributions that are Arch-based, etc.? All
those groups do this for their various own reasons and it's up to
you of what Linux distribution you wish to use on your computer
hardware.? There is no "one right answer" but searching for say
"linux what is the best distribution for me" taking you to say
will help you
better understand.
--David
KI6ZHD
On 07/11/2020 09:20 AM, Glen Strecker
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I have found that, unlike the Windows environment, the
Linux OS’s, especially on the Raspberry Pi’s are not full featured
OS’s in that they don’t always have the full library of
functionality software installed. ?You have to do update and
upgrades often, and it does not always immediately pick up on the
fact that some odd dependency is missing. ?Raspbian, now being
called Raspberry OS is a subset environment due to the limited
storage capacity on the device. ?It was originally recommended to
have only an 8 GB SD card. ?The new Pi-4 I just got came with a 64
GB card and I loaded it up with the full Build-a-Pi 3.02 suite by
KM5ACK and added D-Rats. ?The whole build took over 4 hours
because all the programs were being compiled from source with
added dependencies In order for everything to work. ?I have, so
far, seen three different ways to ask the machine to do an
upgrade. ?There is sudo apt upgrade, sudo apt dist-upgrade, or
sudo apt full-upgrade. ?I am not sure about the differences in
functionality between the three.
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I have found that, unlike the Windows environment, the Linux OS’s, especially on the Raspberry Pi’s are not full featured OS’s in that they don’t always have the full library of functionality software installed. ?You have to do update and upgrades often, and it does not always immediately pick up on the fact that some odd dependency is missing. ?Raspbian, now being called Raspberry OS is a subset environment due to the limited storage capacity on the device. ?It was originally recommended to have only an 8 GB SD card. ?The new Pi-4 I just got came with a 64 GB card and I loaded it up with the full Build-a-Pi 3.02 suite by KM5ACK and added D-Rats. ?The whole build took over 4 hours because all the programs were being compiled from source with added dependencies In order for everything to work. ?I have, so far, seen three different ways to ask the machine to do an upgrade. ?There is sudo apt upgrade, sudo apt dist-upgrade, or sudo apt full-upgrade. ?I am not sure about the differences in functionality between the three.
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Messages are kept in your Users/UserName/Appdata/Roaming/D-RATS-EV file/messages ?folder.? Watch out for very large (60K or larger) messages.? Some HTML messages can be very large and D-Rats does not know how to display?them. ?
Also, if this is a new setup, I found that it is not a good idea to try to link to an active email account with a large number of saved messages on the server.? D-Rats will try to reach out and download the entire database and will choke on it.? Ask me how I know, lol.
KG5CEN
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Not sure how to do this.
Thanks anyway.
Jim
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Jim,
I had something like this. It turned out to be a corrupt message. Try going into your Windows file directory C:/users/yournamehere/Appdata/Roaming/DRats/Messages
and delete everything but the .DB file (one .DB file in outbox, inbox, etc.).?
Worked for me.
Good luck.
Mike Mandell, KC3BLF?
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I have seen this happen before. In my case, I put a comma in the name of a radio connection (e.g. Austin, TX) and the config file interpreted that as an invalid field being added and then nothing worked. If you can remember what you did before it stopped working, you could manually edit the config file and remove whatever you did. Failing that, just delete the config file and D-RATS will prompt enter your callsign, just as if it was a new installation.
Patrick (N3TSZ)
On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 07:03:22 PM EDT, Jim McCloskey <jmccloskey@...> wrote:
Patrick, I cannot even get into it now. Everytime I click file? ? perferences? just the error message comes up.
Jim
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HI!
if you want to check your logs this maybe could be of help
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Il giorno mer 8 lug 2020 alle ore 01:03 Jim McCloskey < Jmccloskey@...> ha scritto: Patrick, I cannot even get into it now. Everytime I click file? ? perferences? just the error message comes up.
Jim
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Patrick, I cannot even get into it now. Everytime I click file? ? perferences? just the error message comes up.
Jim
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Hey Jim, It sounds like you enabled the spell checker in preferences, but you do not have the spell checker installed on your computer. Search the internet for instructions to install Aspell in windows. (Or just un check the box).
Patrick (N3TSZ)
On Monday, July 6, 2020, 06:15:37 PM EDT, Jim McCloskey <jmccloskey@...> wrote:
I just started having trouble when I click on the preferences tab. I get the error message and debug box.? I've copied the bottom of the error log. \ Any help appreciated.? see below
Demand-opening aspell...
Spelling test failed: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified
---- GUI Exception ----
Traceback (most recent call last):
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? File "d_rats\mainwindow.pyo", line 138, in do_prefs
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1881, in show
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1833, in __init__
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1803, in build_ui
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1777, in add_panel
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1148, in __init__
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 681, in add_list
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I just started having trouble when I click on the preferences tab. I get the error message and debug box.? I've copied the bottom of the error log. \ Any help appreciated.? see below
Demand-opening aspell...
Spelling test failed: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified
---- GUI Exception ----
Traceback (most recent call last):
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? File "d_rats\mainwindow.pyo", line 138, in do_prefs
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1881, in show
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1833, in __init__
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1803, in build_ui
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1777, in add_panel
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? File "d_rats\config.pyo", line 1148, in __init__
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As Goofy would say, Aw shucks Yup, hyuk hyuk!
Thanks for the assist!
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AL M
KF5SMH
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I just installed gedit on my Linux machine running Lubuntu 18.04. I can now view the debug log.
Patrick (N3TSZ)
On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 10:36:30 AM EDT, ad5rb <ad5rb@...> wrote:
OK, I just started up a RaspPI and a D-RATS v0.3.3 that I configured maybe six months ago and indeed it crashes as you describe when trying Help>Show debug log.? The problem with mine is that it is trying to show the debug file using gedit, but gedit isn't installed.? The cure was to install gedit.? Another approach is to use a different editor to look at the file:? /home/pi/.d-rats/debug.log
I still need to try with this with the latest distribution version.
73,? Richard Browning? AD5RB
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OK, I just started up a RaspPI and a D-RATS v0.3.3 that I configured maybe six months ago and indeed it crashes as you describe when trying Help>Show debug log. The problem with mine is that it is trying to show the debug file using gedit, but gedit isn't installed. The cure was to install gedit. Another approach is to use a different editor to look at the file: /home/pi/.d-rats/debug.log
I still need to try with this with the latest distribution version.
73, Richard Browning AD5RB
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Richard, Thanks to all for your replies, I am able to access the log files I want in both win7 and win10. In both of those cases all I need do is click on help>show debug log, or View>log on the toolbar. In the Linux app I am not able to do the same without D-RATS crashing. I am not sure either of these files will help me ID what is occurring with a friends D-RATS instance but it is a place to start. I have since satisfied myself with the black screen issue being caused by the "berkley time share'. That is a mere left click to bring the screen back and continue with the chat, unhandy at times perhaps but nothing one cannot adapt to.
Once again Thanks to all those who have replied thus far.
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AL M
KF5SMH
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HI Al -- I have a ratflector running on a linux AWS instance just for tinkering and access it from D-RATS running on Windows 10. The log files generated by D-RATS on Windows 10 show up in AppData\Roaming and I can look at them by copying the files to another directory and then opening the copies in a text editor. I have not been able to find any log files in the ratflector system though. Maybe I am not looking in the right place.
Richard Browning AD5RB
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Don I have the San Juan County Rat running on an RPI 4 from my house, it also has D-RATS running as NM5Sj. I am trying to access that set of logs. Hope that clears it up.
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AL M
KF5SMH
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Al,
Just to be clear, how are you accessing the D-Rats running?as a ratflector?
Don
Good Morning all!
I am running d-rats 0.3.9.3 for a ratflector on a Pi4 4gb, I have tried to get into my debug log and the main log with no success. If I click on either one of them I get the d-rats has encountered an error splash screen and when I click ignore all my d-rats just shuts down. I am trying to use the logs for troubleshooting some other d-rats issues and could use a little help here.
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AL M
KF5SMH
-- 73 de N4VIP, Don - SFARES Inc. Treasurer and Secretary
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Sorry, I haven’t a clue.
Gary
NY5S
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From: Al Massaro
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [d-rats] Log access issues
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Good Morning all!
I am running d-rats 0.3.9.3 for a ratflector on a Pi4 4gb, I have tried to get into my debug log and the main log with no success. If I click on either one of them I get the d-rats has encountered an error splash screen and when I click ignore all my d-rats
just shuts down. I am trying to use the logs for troubleshooting some other d-rats issues and could use a little help here.
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AL M
KF5SMH
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Good Morning all!
I am running d-rats 0.3.9.3 for a ratflector on a Pi4 4gb, I have tried to get into my debug log and the main log with no success. If I click on either one of them I get the d-rats has encountered an error splash screen and when I click ignore all my d-rats just shuts down. I am trying to use the logs for troubleshooting some other d-rats issues and could use a little help here.
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AL M
KF5SMH
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Re: How to debug a d-rats coredump
Hi all ? If can be of help to debug this, D-Rats can be invoked with “cprofiling” option (as well as other options to force a reconfig or a safe mode start) ? ? have a nice weekend maurizio ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Ranch
Sent: giovedì 11 giugno 2020 17:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: [d-rats] How to debug a d-rats coredump? Hello Everyone,
I've been successfully playing around with D-RATS v0.3.9 beta 3 on Centos 6.10 and I left the program running over night and found it crashed. The last thing I see on the terminal screen is:
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Chat????? : Got chat frame: DDT2+: 0:1:5 DL0NOT-H->CQCQCQ (2QRA DL0NOT WinMor/ALE Station - QTH Karben JO40jf QRV]...[55])??? ?
Sessionmgr: Received block 0:5 for session `chat'???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Transport : Got a block: DDT2+: 0:1:5 ED2YAV->CQCQCQ (2Online (D-RATS)...[16])??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Chat????? : Got chat frame: DDT2+: 0:1:5 ED2YAV->CQCQCQ (2Online (D-RATS)...[16])???????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Sessionmgr: Received block 0:5 for session `chat'???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Transport : Got a block: DDT2+: 0:1:5 KS2ARR-C->CQCQCQ (1Online (D-RATS)...[16])????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
Segmentation fault (core dumped)?
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Here are the various versions of the program's dependencies installed on this machine:
?? python-2.6.6-68.el6_10.x86_64
?? pygtk2-2.24.0-1.el6.x86_64
?? python-six-1.9.0-2.el6.noarch
?? libxml2-python-2.7.6-21.el6_8.1.x86_64
?? pygtk2-libglade-2.24.0-1.el6.x86_64
?? libglade2-2.6.4-3.1.el6.x86_64
?? python-serial-2.4-6.1.noarch
?? libxslt-1.1.26-2.el6_3.1.x86_64
I tried to run "gdb -c core.24111 d-rats.py" but nothing useful came from the backtrace:
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Core was generated by `/usr/bin/python ./d-rats.py'.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#0? 0x0000003da8c44c50 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
(gdb) bt??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#0? 0x0000003da8c44c50 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#1? 0x000000000247d330 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#2? 0x00000033b16270eb in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#3? 0x0000000001bbf990 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#4? 0x00000033b16275fe in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#5? 0x000000000247d390 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#6? 0x0000000002430a20 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#7? 0x00000000021dce20 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#8? 0x000000000247d390 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#9? 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
(gdb) quit
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Any recommendations how to provide some useful information here to figure out what happened?
--David
KI6ZHD
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Glen Strecker
Patrick Connor
Al Massaro KF5SMH
