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Mini FT8 Station

Jim WB2LHP in MI
 

Here are some pictures of my mini FT8 station I built for Field Day. It is built around a Sunfounder 7" hi-res screen and Raspberry Pi 3B. It uses a wireless keyboard/mouse combo, $15 GPS module and $5 sound card interface. The entire package runs off 12 volts at about 720ma in transmit. It is easily run from a solar/gel cell power source. I've been running this setup with a low elevation 40m dipole and routinely work out 300-400 miles daily. The D4D is a perfect match for this type of operation. Thanks again to Adam for a terrific product.


Re: D4D mods

Jim WB2LHP in MI
 

I also applied the KD1JV diode mod and VOX resistor mod...


Re: Happy Thanksgiving

 

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I think probably it is a good time to join the Black Friday Sale:

HT-1A kit or assembled kit 10% off by manual partial refund
This Friday to Sunday only
Ship in 3 days

Thanks,
Adam

在 2019年11月29日,下午12:23,Bryan Brauer <bryan@...> 写道:

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Thank you Adam.? Keep bringing us kits!

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019, 16:35 Adam Rong <rongxh@...> wrote:
Thanks for all your support. Happy thanksgiving to USA and the rest of the world.

Thanks,
Adam, BD6CR




Re: Happy Thanksgiving

 

Thank you Adam.? Keep bringing us kits!


On Thu, Nov 28, 2019, 16:35 Adam Rong <rongxh@...> wrote:
Thanks for all your support. Happy thanksgiving to USA and the rest of the world.

Thanks,
Adam, BD6CR




Re: Happy Thanksgiving

 

Thank you Adam.
And happy thanksgiving to the group.
BOB? AF2DX


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Rong <rongxh@...>
To: crkits <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Nov 28, 2019 7:35 pm
Subject: [crkits] Happy Thanksgiving

Thanks for all your support. Happy thanksgiving to USA and the rest of the world.

Thanks,
Adam, BD6CR
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Happy Thanksgiving

 

Thanks for all your support. Happy thanksgiving to USA and the rest of the world.

Thanks,
Adam, BD6CR
CRKITS.COM


Re: D4D mods

Jim WB2LHP in MI
 

I applied the following changes...Changed C5 to 105 and C6 to 103 (capacitive vs resistive divider) and applied audio drive just above the threshold for reliable VOX PTT...My DSB output went down to 400mW so I added another cap in parallel to C11 and was able to increase the RF drive to the PA...Adding 56pf in parallel rose the power output to 900mW...That made the difference between almost no contacts and routine contacts...Just FYI...Jim WB2LHP


Re: No output audio

 

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Around 7V? Is 78L05 in the right place?

Thanks,
Adam

在 2019年11月27日,上午8:59,Daniel Tickell <dtickell@...> 写道:

?Ok so looks like pin 8 has around 7v and I am trying to work out how to test the crystal oscillation


Re: No output audio

 

In my case I had an issue with the solder joints for the coils: the enamel wasn't properly removed. TX would trigger but my signal was not spotted anywhere.

I would recommend checking these joints, and simply heating them for about 10 seconds until you see the enamel boil off. Once I did this, my signal was immediately spotted all over Europe.

Conor

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, 01:23 Daniel Tickell, <dtickell@...> wrote:
Interesting so I just called cq on my other radio while monitoring the audio out put of the DSB and I can hear the signal but its really crappy. I.e I dont think it would successfully decode in wsjt-x.

Im not hearing any static or anything....I have clearly done something wrong here :)


Re: No output audio

Daniel Tickell
 

Interesting so I just called cq on my other radio while monitoring the audio out put of the DSB and I can hear the signal but its really crappy. I.e I dont think it would successfully decode in wsjt-x.

Im not hearing any static or anything....I have clearly done something wrong here :)


Re: No output audio

Daniel Tickell
 

Ok so looks like pin 8 has around 7v and I am trying to work out how to test the crystal oscillation


Re: No output audio

 

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Daniel,

Start checking in RX the voltage on pin 8 of NE602, and then check the oscillating of the crystal. Based on your description, I suspect your NE602 is not working properly.

Thanks,
Adam

在 2019年11月27日,上午7:42,Daniel Tickell <dtickell@...> 写道:

?Hi I have completed my DSB 40m build but cannot get any audio out of it have tried connection to usb sound card, pc, external Speaker and headphones

Vox triggers tx but I dont see any signal being sent on my other radio. so not sure if this is related or just the next issue I need to tackle.


Any ideas where I should start troubleshooting?


No output audio

Daniel Tickell
 

Hi I have completed my DSB 40m build but cannot get any audio out of it have tried connection to usb sound card, pc, external Speaker and headphones

Vox triggers tx but I dont see any signal being sent on my other radio. so not sure if this is related or just the next issue I need to tackle.


Any ideas where I should start troubleshooting?


Re: First FT8 Contact

John Kirby
 

?re? ?FT8 / FT4? TIME? plus/minus? one second

When Internet not available ...

WWV? Colorado?? 5, 10, 15 mHz? ? ?two thumbs up

CHU?? Ottawa???? 3.33, 7.85, 14.67 mHz? ? gets the job done

John
N3AAZ


Re: Issue with high SWR on transmit

 

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Any crystal will oscillate in overtone mode. All crystals can oscillate in series and parallel resonance modes at
fundamental and overtones. The only way the swr would be high with the D4D and not with another source is
that an significant output frequency signal is not what the resonate load expects.
In fact crystals have spurious modes as well, if there is a flaw in it could actually oscillate in an unrelated
frequency. I have seen crystal oscillators jump between modes that are only kHz apart.
?? But, you are correct about the low pass filter attenuating an output at the 3rd overtone. I just noticed that the? two
capacitors , C20 and C23, in the filter that are intended to produce notch frequencies in the filter are not in the circuit.
???? I think somehow another frequency is being produced that is unintended. And it could be transmitting on the correct frequency and the unintended frequency both.
?? Several? other possibilities:
  1. There could be a high frequency applied to the balanced modulator via the audio input. Thus producing a signal way off resonance of the loop antenna.
  2. Q8 may not be shorting the path from the antenna relay into the balanced modulator. Which could offer a significantly high gain feedback path from the output of the balanced modulator thru the RF power amplifier back into the balanced modulator's input.
?A broad spectrum analyzer would be nice. If you have one of these inexpensive nanoVNA's, they can be used as a crude spectrum analyzer. /g/nanovna-users/topic/34079496?20,0,0,0::,,,0,0,0,34079496

This could be useful in seeing what is going on. Just attach a small piece of wire to the input of the nanoVNA as an antenna.

73
Bill wa4lav
Hello again Eric and other possible readers. I received my nanoVNA a couple of weeks ago and I have been doing many tests with it. First I must say my unit came without shields and I added them, but there was no considerable improvement in the base noise level.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Adam Rong via Groups.Io <rongxh@...>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:08 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [crkits] Issue with high SWR on transmit
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Bill,

The crystal is not overtone type. Also the LPF should do the job to filter the 3rd harmonic products if any.

Thanks,
Adam

在 2019年11月18日,下午2:06,Fuqua, Bill L <Wlfuqu00@...> 写道:

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Can you receive 20 Meter signals on the D4D?
If not it is possible that the crystal is oscillating at the 3 overtone.
This could produce a VHF signal that would be way off frequency and produce a high
SWR.? If you can copy 20M signals then it is possible that the TX amplifier is oscillating
off frequency producing output power but again off frequency which again would produce
a high SWR with the loop antenna.

73
Bill wa4lav



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kurt Loken via Groups.Io <kurt.loken@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:22 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [crkits] Issue with high SWR on transmit
?

Hello All,

I have a 20M D4D, and I think I may have a problem with it. ?

I have been a bit mystified?that I have so far only had 1 contact on this thing even though I've been on the air with in for many hours.? I had been thinking it is due to my use of an indoor experimental magloop antenna and the 1W is just isn't making it out of the house.? Yet...what has bothered me is that I have a WSPRlite that only puts out 0.2W and I get picked up all over the US....here is a picture of my spots I got on 20M today with my setup with 0.2 watts on my antenna. ?
<Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 10.00.08 PM.png>


I have good FT8 reception on the D4D...so the receiver part of the system is working like a champ.

I am just getting back into working on radios after a long hiatus and I have have an antenna analyzer, but I actually didn't have a normal SWR meter so that could read my transmissions?insitu.? Today I got one. ?...and low and behold...I have horrible SWR readings during transmit when I run the D4D. ? ?I have an Elecraft W1 Power Meter and the SWR pegs out when I transmit.? If I transmit into a dummy load, I get perfect SWR and perfect 1W output.?

I am using a?mag loop antenna that is tuned to the 14075 (see pic).? The?bandwidth shown is around 40kHz....so unless this thing is way off on the transmit freq or noisy as hell, I should not be seeing huge SWR.

<IMG_4511.jpg>


Any ideas what is going on?? I would be curious what the spectrum my D4D looks like in transmit, but I don't have that test equipment yet.? I'm getting a Red Pitaya very soon...so I will be able to to measure that in the future. ?

I don't understand what is going on with the high SWR...any ideas? ?

Thanks,

Kurt-AE6UJ


Re: Issue with high SWR on transmit

 

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Bill,

The crystal is not overtone type. Also the LPF should do the job to filter the 3rd harmonic products if any.

Thanks,
Adam

在 2019年11月18日,下午2:06,Fuqua, Bill L <Wlfuqu00@...> 写道:

?
Can you receive 20 Meter signals on the D4D?
If not it is possible that the crystal is oscillating at the 3 overtone.
This could produce a VHF signal that would be way off frequency and produce a high
SWR.? If you can copy 20M signals then it is possible that the TX amplifier is oscillating
off frequency producing output power but again off frequency which again would produce
a high SWR with the loop antenna.

73
Bill wa4lav



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kurt Loken via Groups.Io <kurt.loken@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:22 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [crkits] Issue with high SWR on transmit
?

Hello All,

I have a 20M D4D, and I think I may have a problem with it. ?

I have been a bit mystified?that I have so far only had 1 contact on this thing even though I've been on the air with in for many hours.? I had been thinking it is due to my use of an indoor experimental magloop antenna and the 1W is just isn't making it out of the house.? Yet...what has bothered me is that I have a WSPRlite that only puts out 0.2W and I get picked up all over the US....here is a picture of my spots I got on 20M today with my setup with 0.2 watts on my antenna. ?
<Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 10.00.08 PM.png>


I have good FT8 reception on the D4D...so the receiver part of the system is working like a champ.

I am just getting back into working on radios after a long hiatus and I have have an antenna analyzer, but I actually didn't have a normal SWR meter so that could read my transmissions?insitu.? Today I got one. ?...and low and behold...I have horrible SWR readings during transmit when I run the D4D. ? ?I have an Elecraft W1 Power Meter and the SWR pegs out when I transmit.? If I transmit into a dummy load, I get perfect SWR and perfect 1W output.?

I am using a?mag loop antenna that is tuned to the 14075 (see pic).? The?bandwidth shown is around 40kHz....so unless this thing is way off on the transmit freq or noisy as hell, I should not be seeing huge SWR.

<IMG_4511.jpg>


Any ideas what is going on?? I would be curious what the spectrum my D4D looks like in transmit, but I don't have that test equipment yet.? I'm getting a Red Pitaya very soon...so I will be able to to measure that in the future. ?

I don't understand what is going on with the high SWR...any ideas? ?

Thanks,

Kurt-AE6UJ


Re: Issue with high SWR on transmit

 

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Can you receive 20 Meter signals on the D4D?
If not it is possible that the crystal is oscillating at the 3 overtone.
This could produce a VHF signal that would be way off frequency and produce a high
SWR.? If you can copy 20M signals then it is possible that the TX amplifier is oscillating
off frequency producing output power but again off frequency which again would produce
a high SWR with the loop antenna.

73
Bill wa4lav



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kurt Loken via Groups.Io <kurt.loken@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:22 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [crkits] Issue with high SWR on transmit
?

Hello All,

I have a 20M D4D, and I think I may have a problem with it. ?

I have been a bit mystified?that I have so far only had 1 contact on this thing even though I've been on the air with in for many hours.? I had been thinking it is due to my use of an indoor experimental magloop antenna and the 1W is just isn't making it out of the house.? Yet...what has bothered me is that I have a WSPRlite that only puts out 0.2W and I get picked up all over the US....here is a picture of my spots I got on 20M today with my setup with 0.2 watts on my antenna. ?
Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 10.00.08 PM.png

I have good FT8 reception on the D4D...so the receiver part of the system is working like a champ.

I am just getting back into working on radios after a long hiatus and I have have an antenna analyzer, but I actually didn't have a normal SWR meter so that could read my transmissions?insitu.? Today I got one. ?...and low and behold...I have horrible SWR readings during transmit when I run the D4D. ? ?I have an Elecraft W1 Power Meter and the SWR pegs out when I transmit.? If I transmit into a dummy load, I get perfect SWR and perfect 1W output.?

I am using a?mag loop antenna that is tuned to the 14075 (see pic).? The?bandwidth shown is around 40kHz....so unless this thing is way off on the transmit freq or noisy as hell, I should not be seeing huge SWR.

IMG_4511.jpg

Any ideas what is going on?? I would be curious what the spectrum my D4D looks like in transmit, but I don't have that test equipment yet.? I'm getting a Red Pitaya very soon...so I will be able to to measure that in the future. ?

I don't understand what is going on with the high SWR...any ideas? ?

Thanks,

Kurt-AE6UJ


Re: Issue with high SWR on transmit

 

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Kurt,

I saw the same. Nothing is wrong at your side. I believe the main problem is the wide spectrum caused by IMD. The IMD modification should help, but I will not expect it will be gone.

The D4D is sort of fun kit to test the communication possibilities with such a simple rig. It is not perfect.

Thanks,
Adam

在 2019年11月18日,下午12:22,Kurt Loken <kurt.loken@...> 写道:

?

Hello All,

I have a 20M D4D, and I think I may have a problem with it. ?

I have been a bit mystified?that I have so far only had 1 contact on this thing even though I've been on the air with in for many hours.? I had been thinking it is due to my use of an indoor experimental magloop antenna and the 1W is just isn't making it out of the house.? Yet...what has bothered me is that I have a WSPRlite that only puts out 0.2W and I get picked up all over the US....here is a picture of my spots I got on 20M today with my setup with 0.2 watts on my antenna. ?
<Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 10.00.08 PM.png>


I have good FT8 reception on the D4D...so the receiver part of the system is working like a champ.

I am just getting back into working on radios after a long hiatus and I have have an antenna analyzer, but I actually didn't have a normal SWR meter so that could read my transmissions?insitu.? Today I got one. ?...and low and behold...I have horrible SWR readings during transmit when I run the D4D. ? ?I have an Elecraft W1 Power Meter and the SWR pegs out when I transmit.? If I transmit into a dummy load, I get perfect SWR and perfect 1W output.?

I am using a?mag loop antenna that is tuned to the 14075 (see pic).? The?bandwidth shown is around 40kHz....so unless this thing is way off on the transmit freq or noisy as hell, I should not be seeing huge SWR.

<IMG_4511.jpg>


Any ideas what is going on?? I would be curious what the spectrum my D4D looks like in transmit, but I don't have that test equipment yet.? I'm getting a Red Pitaya very soon...so I will be able to to measure that in the future. ?

I don't understand what is going on with the high SWR...any ideas? ?

Thanks,

Kurt-AE6UJ


Re: Issue with high SWR on transmit

 

Kurt,

I am having almost exactly the same experience; with the 20 meter D4D as well as with the QRPGuys DSB TRXCVR.? I am inclined to believe that double side band is not a good way to go.? I suspect that the signal is just to "dirty" to decode dependably.

I will try a bit more, this time with a resonant dipole. I thought that this radio might be a bit of fun, and I enjoy building kits, but life is to short to muck around with such marginally functioning equipment.? If the dipole does not produce dramatically different?results, I will go back to my KX2 for FT8.

Thanks,

Bryan, AI6B

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:22 PM Kurt Loken <kurt.loken@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I have a 20M D4D, and I think I may have a problem with it. ?

I have been a bit mystified?that I have so far only had 1 contact on this thing even though I've been on the air with in for many hours.? I had been thinking it is due to my use of an indoor experimental magloop antenna and the 1W is just isn't making it out of the house.? Yet...what has bothered me is that I have a WSPRlite that only puts out 0.2W and I get picked up all over the US....here is a picture of my spots I got on 20M today with my setup with 0.2 watts on my antenna. ?
Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 10.00.08 PM.png

I have good FT8 reception on the D4D...so the receiver part of the system is working like a champ.

I am just getting back into working on radios after a long hiatus and I have have an antenna analyzer, but I actually didn't have a normal SWR meter so that could read my transmissions?insitu.? Today I got one. ?...and low and behold...I have horrible SWR readings during transmit when I run the D4D. ? ?I have an Elecraft W1 Power Meter and the SWR pegs out when I transmit.? If I transmit into a dummy load, I get perfect SWR and perfect 1W output.?

I am using a?mag loop antenna that is tuned to the 14075 (see pic).? The?bandwidth shown is around 40kHz....so unless this thing is way off on the transmit freq or noisy as hell, I should not be seeing huge SWR.

IMG_4511.jpg

Any ideas what is going on?? I would be curious what the spectrum my D4D looks like in transmit, but I don't have that test equipment yet.? I'm getting a Red Pitaya very soon...so I will be able to to measure that in the future. ?

I don't understand what is going on with the high SWR...any ideas? ?

Thanks,

Kurt-AE6UJ


Issue with high SWR on transmit

Kurt Loken
 


Hello All,

I have a 20M D4D, and I think I may have a problem with it. ?

I have been a bit mystified?that I have so far only had 1 contact on this thing even though I've been on the air with in for many hours.? I had been thinking it is due to my use of an indoor experimental magloop antenna and the 1W is just isn't making it out of the house.? Yet...what has bothered me is that I have a WSPRlite that only puts out 0.2W and I get picked up all over the US....here is a picture of my spots I got on 20M today with my setup with 0.2 watts on my antenna. ?
Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 10.00.08 PM.png

I have good FT8 reception on the D4D...so the receiver part of the system is working like a champ.

I am just getting back into working on radios after a long hiatus and I have have an antenna analyzer, but I actually didn't have a normal SWR meter so that could read my transmissions?insitu.? Today I got one. ?...and low and behold...I have horrible SWR readings during transmit when I run the D4D. ? ?I have an Elecraft W1 Power Meter and the SWR pegs out when I transmit.? If I transmit into a dummy load, I get perfect SWR and perfect 1W output.?

I am using a?mag loop antenna that is tuned to the 14075 (see pic).? The?bandwidth shown is around 40kHz....so unless this thing is way off on the transmit freq or noisy as hell, I should not be seeing huge SWR.

IMG_4511.jpg

Any ideas what is going on?? I would be curious what the spectrum my D4D looks like in transmit, but I don't have that test equipment yet.? I'm getting a Red Pitaya very soon...so I will be able to to measure that in the future. ?

I don't understand what is going on with the high SWR...any ideas? ?

Thanks,

Kurt-AE6UJ