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开云体育All, ? I have been going through some of the masters training and seems Pyng is getting pushed more and more and considering moving my lighting to Pyng to start to actually play around with it.? The question I have for the group is how much of a PITA is starting over a lighting program that includes a lot of panel lighting?? When it originally came out I didn’t pay much attention as it did not support panel lights or wired shades which I typically use at least one panel and spending 2 hours programing a system on an ipad sounded like zero fun.? ? I had planned to use Pyng for some smaller installations but it seems Crestron wants us to use it on everything and need to gain some more experience before I do it on a large job.? ?I like the story Pyng tells but also Studio sounded good when I heard the pitch at CEDIA a few years ago and that turned out to be wrong.? I still struggle with how to actually design a system in pyng as I typically have used D3 for load balancing and seems like I still have to do that so the electrician has something… ? Tying to educate myself on options and would love to hear from anyone else that has put Pyng into an existing system with panel lights and shades.?? ? Thanks ? Chris |
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I haven't done panel lighting, just wireless. The nicest thing about it is that the installers can set up a whole lighting system and me as the programmer just has to drop a smart graphic into the panel and 2 lines of code in my program. With that said, I have a pyng processor in my garage that I still haven't setup for my personal use. With the new smart graphic lists available its a lot easier for me to use my lighting program than it is to setup in pyng. Personal preference and I result of a lot of programming development. Personally, being a programmer, I would never use pyng for a centralized lighting system. However, if the company I work for choose to use pyng and use an installer to set it up I am very happy with that decision. One less thing to deal with. |
开云体育So easy on pyng! Biggest lighting job we doing thus year and using pyng to setup, making changes is so easy to, scheduling events cake, cant go wrong, makes smart object app programming mindless. Can i have you pyng hub lol??? Mark Sent from my Boost Mobile Phone. -------- Original message -------- From: "jones.matt94@... [Crestron]" <Crestron@...> Date:07/10/2016 1:10 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Crestron@... Cc: Subject: [Crestron] Re: Move to Pyng? ? I haven't done panel lighting, just wireless. The nicest thing about it is that the installers can set up a whole lighting system and me as the programmer just has to drop a smart graphic into the panel and 2 lines of code in my program. With that said, I have a pyng processor in my garage that I still haven't setup for my personal use. With the new smart graphic lists available its a lot easier for me to use my lighting program than it is to setup in pyng. Personal preference and I result of a lot of programming development. Personally, being a programmer, I would never use pyng for a centralized lighting system. However, if the company I work for choose to use pyng and use an installer to set it up I am very happy with that decision. One less thing to deal with.
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I think it works well for HVAC, I haven't yet done it with lighting, but I can imagine it would be super easy. ?You get to hand over a lot of the customization to a cookie cutter GUI, but it works, and is easy to integrate with full boat simpl/vtp systems (unlike Prodigy...)
I might have to try it with a small house music system at some point. ?If it gets me paid and works well, I would gladly give up the ability to customize a bit on the small jobs. ?I don't like the sound of Crestron pushing it so much though, as we start getting into system wizards at a certain point. |
开云体育Is there still no way to restore a system if your pyng hub goes ports up? ?Just curious if that’s still a thing. I was involved in a job that the hub died and I recall getting the system back up and running a pain. ? Caleb Radecky |
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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 19:24 To: Crestron@... Subject: [Crestron] Re: Move to Pyng? ? ? I think it works well for HVAC, I haven't yet done it with lighting, but I can imagine it would be super easy. ?You get to hand over a lot of the customization to a cookie cutter GUI, but it works, and is easy to integrate with full boat simpl/vtp systems (unlike Prodigy...) ? I might have to try it with a small house music system at some point. ?If it gets me paid and works well, I would gladly give up the ability to customize a bit on the small jobs. ?I don't like the sound of Crestron pushing it so much though, as we start getting into system wizards at a certain point.
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If you connect to pyng using toolbox and then file manager you can restore the user settings and have as a backup and and when the pyng hub goes bad just replace it and reload the the files to the new one and you are done .?
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On Tuesday, July 12, 2016, 4:28 PM, Caleb Radecky caleb@... [Crestron] wrote:
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I believe it does have a backup options to store it in the "cloud". Go into the settings of the pyng from an iPad/Web browser and enable advanced configuration. From there you should see MyCrestron Services and in that menu it allows you to backup your configuration.
I've done a few jobs with panelized lighting and the Pyng hub and it has worked pretty well. We will probably continue to use the Pyng for the programming side of lighting. There are only a few complaints that I have.? First, you can't program it before hand. In our company we try to get everything programmed before it's installed at the house. Not a deal breaker but annoying. Second, If you have a module in the panelized lighting go bad or you need to replace it with a universal module, then it can be a real pain. You basically have to go into Pyng and decommission the loads on that module from there rooms. Then reassign the module and its loads to their correct rooms. Really only an issue if you have to replace something (I had to do it on our last job). Also not a deal breaker. |
开云体育That option in the cloud only works to restore the same pyng Hub . So if you want to have a backup and want to restore to another hub you will have to use toolbox and file manager to extract configuration files . We have done it already and what we have done is that on all jobs we have done we leave a second pyng hub with the configuration loaded in case the one goes bad the only thing the client has to do is replace the pyng hub .? Thanks ,? Mingo? On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:12 AM, mwillis1776@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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My question regarding Pyng, which I haven't seen answered anywhere, is how do you generate the documentation and reports that D3Pro provides.?
I know Pyng generates the Engraver files, but what about load schedules, bill of materials, circuit layouts, scene definitions, etc. - can Pyng produce those? |
开云体育I don’t think it does this… Pyng is all done post installation so if you are doing panel lighting it needs to be done in D3 for loads and then programed in Pyng later… if there was a way to edit the configuration files manual it would be ideal for a large system to get all of the engraving files. ? Chris ? From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 4:43 PM To: Crestron@... Subject: Re: [Crestron] Re: Move to Pyng? ? ? My question regarding Pyng, which I haven't seen answered anywhere, is how do you generate the documentation and reports that D3Pro provides.? ? I know Pyng generates the Engraver files, but what about load schedules, bill of materials, circuit layouts, scene definitions, etc. - can Pyng produce those?
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开云体育All,? ? Some notes on my PYNG first try. ? I decided to jump into a Pyng system to try and upgrade my system… 6 hours in and I feel I am about 50% done.?? There is a fair amount of “devices” with 94 showing, which with a limit of 250 they should be able to get a lot bigger but either I am really slow (good possibility) or the system has some problems.? ? ·???????? D3 vs Pyng everything is a scene, I realized very rarely do I have a load go on at 100% (typically 80%) or do I only want one load to go on with a button press. ?The scene creation is on another screen and would have to go to the area then go back to the button you wanted to press ·???????? Doesn’t support multi press / taps – important where we want to do things where 1 tap does X and 2 taps does Y.? ?(Fan control is one use case) ·???????? Status lights on switches act differently.? If you have a switch that top is on and bottom if off both lights maybe on ·???????? Moving from D3 to Pyng is fairly hard if you use panel lighting.? All of the modules show up to learn into the system with the serial number which I have not have found a printout in the documentation options that actually shows the serial numbers.? If Crestron would add a PYNG documentation template to D3 I think it could have made this step a lot less painful.? Considering it is still necessary to design a panel in d3 to get the loads correctly and have documentation for the electrician I don’t see how this would ever go away (unless studio does is) ·???????? Adding key pads with panel lighting is just as painful as they show up with serial number but no documentation exists to print.? For both the modules and keypads I had D3 and Pyng open so I could step through the serial numbers and find them ·???????? Scheduled events are only days of the week and not a calendar.? Currently to do something like putting shades down the sun hit a room I create 2-3 events that split the year into 3 as using only sunset as a guide does not correct for the sun position so an area may get sun early vs sunset in the summer vs winter.?? I use this often so if there is a better way to solve this problem I would be interested to learn from others.? ? My overall thoughts are this would be ok for a customer that has never had experience with lighting control as it could be an easy way to get something in but I would not use it for panel lights and would limit to only a few dozen lighting loads.? I think the scene / load control needs to evolve before I would really want to use often.?? I was really interested in trying to get some of the other components integrated to see how it performed and get some experience with it before I sold it…but my environment maybe just too complex and I am going to try and get a friendly user to make a minimal investment to see how it works on a daily basis. L? ? If I have missed some critical things in my integration that would have made this easier, please share your experiences as I could always try this again (when I have time again). ? Thanks ? Chris ? From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 7:50 PM To: Crestron@... Subject: RE: [Crestron] Re: Move to Pyng? ? ? I don’t think it does this… Pyng is all done post installation so if you are doing panel lighting it needs to be done in D3 for loads and then programed in Pyng later… if there was a way to edit the configuration files manual it would be ideal for a large system to get all of the engraving files. ? Chris ? From:
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? ? My question regarding Pyng, which I haven't seen answered anywhere, is how do you generate the documentation and reports that D3Pro provides.? ? I know Pyng generates the Engraver files, but what about load schedules, bill of materials, circuit layouts, scene definitions, etc. - can Pyng produce those?
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Question for Chris or anybody that knows: Does Pyng consider every load on a panelized lighting system a "device", or just the modules? So in other words if you have 2 full panels with 8 full DIM8 modules would it be 16 devices, or 128 devices against the 250 limit?
---In Crestron@..., <chris.noland@...> wrote : All,? ? Some notes on my PYNG first try. ? I decided to jump into a Pyng system to try and upgrade my system… 6 hours in and I feel I am about 50% done.?? There is a fair amount of “devices” with 94 showing, which with a limit of 250 they should be able to get a lot bigger but either I am really slow (good possibility) or the system has some problems.? ? ·???????? D3 vs Pyng everything is a scene, I realized very rarely do I have a load go on at 100% (typically 80%) or do I only want one load to go on with a button press. ?The scene creation is on another screen and would have to go to the area then go back to the button you wanted to press ·???????? Doesn’t support multi press / taps – important where we want to do things where 1 tap does X and 2 taps does Y.? ?(Fan control is one use case) ·???????? Status lights on switches act differently.? If you have a switch that top is on and bottom if off both lights maybe on ·???????? Moving from D3 to Pyng is fairly hard if you use panel lighting.? All of the modules show up to learn into the system with the serial number which I have not have found a printout in the documentation options that actually shows the serial numbers.? If Crestron would add a PYNG documentation template to D3 I think it could have made this step a lot less painful.? Considering it is still necessary to design a panel in d3 to get the loads correctly and have documentation for the electrician I don’t see how this would ever go away (unless studio does is) ·???????? Adding key pads with panel lighting is just as painful as they show up with serial number but no documentation exists to print.? For both the modules and keypads I had D3 and Pyng open so I could step through the serial numbers and find them ·???????? Scheduled events are only days of the week and not a calendar.? Currently to do something like putting shades down the sun hit a room I create 2-3 events that split the year into 3 as using only sunset as a guide does not correct for the sun position so an area may get sun early vs sunset in the summer vs winter.?? I use this often so if there is a better way to solve this problem I would be interested to learn from others.? ? My overall thoughts are this would be ok for a customer that has never had experience with lighting control as it could be an easy way to get something in but I would not use it for panel lights and would limit to only a few dozen lighting loads.? I think the scene / load control needs to evolve before I would really want to use often.?? I was really interested in trying to get some of the other components integrated to see how it performed and get some experience with it before I sold it…but my environment maybe just too complex and I am going to try and get a friendly user to make a minimal investment to see how it works on a daily basis. L? ? If I have missed some critical things in my integration that would have made this easier, please share your experiences as I could always try this again (when I have time again). ? Thanks ? Chris |
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Per ? ??Scheduled events are only days of the week and not a calendar.? Currently to do something like putting shades down the sun hit a room I create 2-3 events that split the year into 3 as using only sunset as a guide does not correct for the sun position so an area may get sun early vs sunset in the summer vs winter.?? I use this often so if there is a better way to solve this problem I would be interested to learn from others.? I just recently talked about this on my blog and posted code on github that calculates the angle and elevation to the sun and then operates shades based on whether the sun is shining in the window or not. ? Windows are defined in an xml file that is read by the processor so the code knows the angle of the window for comparison with the sun angle to know when the sun is shining into the window or not.? You can find the code here ? And my blog here Jay ------ Original Message ------
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Sent: 1/14/2017 2:46:17 AM
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Thanks. ?I realize it was referencing pyng but it also asked for better ways of handling opening/closing of shades based on time of year and as pyng is a closed environment I figured a suggestion that incorporated code running on a separate processor that could be linked into pyng would be a welcome suggestion. Jay ------ Original Message ------
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