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STX-1700CXP graphics


 

I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.


Seth Olle
 

It is an STX-1700, it will look crappy no matter what font you use.
You can't compare it to clarity of modern panels or IPADs, will never come close.
Have to do quite a few upgrades with them UGH recently.
Arial Bold seems to be about the best you can do.

From: matt_rasmussen_2000 <mjrtoo@...<mailto:mjrtoo@...>>
Reply-To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:32 AM
To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Subject: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics



I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.


 

What you see is what you get!

Anti-Aliased helps, but not much. The only way I've gotten text to look better is to add it to the button graphic in Photoshop. It looks nice and crisp then, but talk about a lot of work...

TB

--- In Crestron@..., "matt_rasmussen_2000" <mjrtoo@...> wrote:

I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.


 

It's also worth trying Tahoma -- a font that seems to have been designed in part to cope with the limitations of early LCDs

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
V: 440.449.1100 x1107 | F: 440.449.1106 | I:
Crestron Services Provider

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Seth Olle
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:39 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: Re: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics

It is an STX-1700, it will look crappy no matter what font you use.
You can't compare it to clarity of modern panels or IPADs, will never come close.
Have to do quite a few upgrades with them UGH recently.
Arial Bold seems to be about the best you can do.

From: matt_rasmussen_2000 <mjrtoo@...<mailto:mjrtoo@...>>
Reply-To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:32 AM
To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Subject: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics



I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.





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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of, oh well, maybe they'll buy a new touch panel....

--- In Crestron@..., Seth Olle <seth@...> wrote:

It is an STX-1700, it will look crappy no matter what font you use.
You can't compare it to clarity of modern panels or IPADs, will never come close.
Have to do quite a few upgrades with them UGH recently.
Arial Bold seems to be about the best you can do.

From: matt_rasmussen_2000 <mjrtoo@...<mailto:mjrtoo@...>>
Reply-To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:32 AM
To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Subject: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics



I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.


 

Yeah, I'm not going to be doing that. :)

--- In Crestron@..., "Ted" <ted_brincka@...> wrote:

What you see is what you get!

Anti-Aliased helps, but not much. The only way I've gotten text to look better is to add it to the button graphic in Photoshop. It looks nice and crisp then, but talk about a lot of work...

TB

--- In Crestron@..., "matt_rasmussen_2000" <mjrtoo@> wrote:

I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.


Heath Volmer
 

I've used Tahoma almost exclusively on all of those older panels and it always looked decent.

Are you getting nostalgic, working on a simple old panel?

On May 7, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

It's also worth trying Tahoma -- a font that seems to have been designed in part to cope with the limitations of early LCDs


Kool-Aid Drinker
 

My go to was Bernard Condensed. Could fit more letters on a button at
a legible font size.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 08:16:57 -0600, Heath Volmer <hvolmer@...>
wrote:

I've used Tahoma almost exclusively on all of those older panels and it always looked decent.

Are you getting nostalgic, working on a simple old panel?


On May 7, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

It's also worth trying Tahoma -- a font that seems to have been designed in part to cope
with the limitations of early LCDs


 

If memory serves, I would stay away from anti-aliased fonts when using 12-14pt or below, which means about 90% of the project.

If doing a heading or something bigger at 16pt+ you might get away with anti-aliased, embossed, or raised, but most of the time it just makes it look worse. You can make it a little better by using italics, or a naturally slanted font, like Eras Bold ITC.

Apply "fringing" at your own risk; your eyes may actually explode.

And remember, when all else fails, Comic Sans will help build up enough rage to actually smash the panel on the floor.

--- In Crestron@..., "matt_rasmussen_2000" <mjrtoo@...> wrote:

Yeah, I'm not going to be doing that. :)

--- In Crestron@..., "Ted" <ted_brincka@> wrote:

What you see is what you get!

Anti-Aliased helps, but not much. The only way I've gotten text to look better is to add it to the button graphic in Photoshop. It looks nice and crisp then, but talk about a lot of work...

TB

--- In Crestron@..., "matt_rasmussen_2000" <mjrtoo@> wrote:

I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.


Aaron
 

There is a setting in console to turn on 16-level anti-aliasing rather than 4-level which is the default. This will make a world of difference with the fonts. I'm assuming you're using Synapse, if not, this setting won't change a thing.

--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

It's also worth trying Tahoma -- a font that seems to have been designed in part to cope with the limitations of early LCDs

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
V: 440.449.1100 x1107 | F: 440.449.1106 | I:
Crestron Services Provider

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Seth Olle
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:39 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: Re: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics

It is an STX-1700, it will look crappy no matter what font you use.
You can't compare it to clarity of modern panels or IPADs, will never come close.
Have to do quite a few upgrades with them UGH recently.
Arial Bold seems to be about the best you can do.

From: matt_rasmussen_2000 <mjrtoo@...<mailto:mjrtoo@...>>
Reply-To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:32 AM
To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Subject: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics



I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.





------------------------------------



Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the Database area.
Yahoo! Groups Links


Aaron
 

Also, stick with native Windows fonts like Arial, Tahoma, Verdana, Trebuchet, and Georgia. With one of those fonts and the 16-level aa on, you can go as low as 7pt font size on those old dogs and it's still very legible.

--- In Crestron@..., "Aaron" <aaron@...> wrote:

There is a setting in console to turn on 16-level anti-aliasing rather than 4-level which is the default. This will make a world of difference with the fonts. I'm assuming you're using Synapse, if not, this setting won't change a thing.

--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@> wrote:

It's also worth trying Tahoma -- a font that seems to have been designed in part to cope with the limitations of early LCDs

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
V: 440.449.1100 x1107 | F: 440.449.1106 | I:
Crestron Services Provider

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Seth Olle
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:39 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: Re: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics

It is an STX-1700, it will look crappy no matter what font you use.
You can't compare it to clarity of modern panels or IPADs, will never come close.
Have to do quite a few upgrades with them UGH recently.
Arial Bold seems to be about the best you can do.

From: matt_rasmussen_2000 <mjrtoo@<mailto:mjrtoo@>>
Reply-To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:32 AM
To: "Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>" <Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron@...>>
Subject: [Crestron] STX-1700CXP graphics



I'm lucky enough to have to work on one of these old panels and having trouble getting any of the fonts to look even halfway good. Can anyone pass along some tips for working with these devices in the latest VTPRO software?

Setting x2 in the view helps, but it's still hard to layout that way. I've been using just Arial text with the font even set below the choices and still looks crappy.





------------------------------------



Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the Database area.
Yahoo! Groups Links