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Re: NVX programming jump start

gasbandit@... (Gas Bandit) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 14:25:08 -0700

Nope, there's absolutely no reason to spend the frankly exorbitant expense of a DIR when you can literally handle every necessary function (besides firmware updates, which are simple enough just with the free DM NVX Tool) from within SIMPL itself. The only real reason to get a Director is if you need a really expensive machine to bloat a quote's bottom line and insert one more point of failure into the system. You don't even need to use subscriptions... ADDM (number) (processor address) on the NVX's terminal and if you've written your SIMPL code right, everything just snaps right to where it needs to be.

Director's a crutch for people who can't code.

Re: Sonos Network Issues

s.marszalek11@... (Crestron_Programmer) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 13:52:03 -0700

Marty,

Not offering any help but this topic has been beaten to death. Sonos and Crestron will never work well together. And yes Sonos falls offline ALL THE TIME.

Re: NVX programming jump start

patb93@... (Patrick Barron) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:22:06 -0700

Mar 31 #256351
Edited Apr 1

On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 09:03 AM, <jacksonkfortune@...> wrote:

It seems to me that with or without the director, I still need to pull the individual streams into a serial strings for the logic.

You found the secret. The XIO Director is a completely useless waste of money.

Seems like you've been getting some really bad advice. The DIR pays for itself with the time saved on a job, both in ease of setup and in programming. I won't design a job with over 20 endpoints with out DIR. If you've only looked at firmware v2 and older, maybe you're right. And for a tiny system with less than 15 endpoints the cost is hard to justify. But starting with v4 it's a complete overhaul and the dashboard feature is far better and more powerful than NVX Tool.

Re: NVX programming jump start

patb93@... (Patrick Barron) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:18:44 -0700

What are you talking about? The DIR is like magic. Who told you they were useless? You should update firmware on endpoints to current - period. Don't try to use old firmware on NVX. DIR DOES handle credentials very well. Why do you need a module? DIR is a native Crestron device, not a 3rd party device that would need a module. There is a programming object, so what's the point of a module? I think you've been getting some really bad advice from someone who doesn't know how to use a DIR correctly.

Re: NVX programming jump start

patb93@... (Patrick Barron) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:15:48 -0700

Use DIR for this - the firmware updates are much easier with DIR compared to using NVX tool. The new dashboard that was introduced in v4 essentially replaces all of the functions in NVX tool and gives you some that aren't available in NVX Tool. NVX Tool is not really needed now with the dashboard on DIR.

Re: Crestron Home RAVA issues

mqsack@... (MQSACK) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 10:03:08 -0700

Interesting...I do have an AV3 here. I wonder if I could do some console command tomfoolery to create my own ringtone. Depends on if the -R panels will accept it ot not...

Re: Barco CTRL

yoanmanuel02@... — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:36:01 -0700

FYI with new API ( update ) not release yet, you can publish compositions from other user to the walls. If someone wants to team up i can send the new API/ update

Re: Barco CTRL

yoanmanuel02@... — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:35:48 -0700

Man !! Im on the same situation and i need to publish compositions to the wall. Please if you find anything let me know. i got the API but i dont have time to create a module.

Re: Crestron Home RAVA issues

fueler1@... (j5races) — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 08:37:13 -0700

SIPDEFAULTRING OFF sent via console will stop the factory ring tone. Not sure how or if you could use a different one with Home. In Simpl I just drive another softer, less grating ring tone in VTP pro with a little logic.

Re: Home compatible security system recommendations?

co_cowboy@... (CO Cowboy) — Thu, 03 Apr 2025 16:31:18 -0700

Okay what am I missing....
I think I'm with Andrew M on this.
For the Past 10 years, We have used DSC with all our Crestron Integrations (SMPL & Home) up until 1 year ago when they stopped making the old Panels.

Our Security Company, and 3 more I talked to, all said the same thing...

The new Panels will only integrate with ONE system. Crestron or Alarm.com, but not both.

And No Security Company will Monitor an Alarm Panel if it can't be connected to Alarm.com.

GE, and Ademco, are all gone. So we had no choice but to stop integrating with Alarm Panels.

Please someone, show me where I'm wrong.

Re: Crestron Home RAVA issues

mqsack@... (MQSACK) — Thu, 03 Apr 2025 13:52:08 -0700

Jumping back in here.

Chad is this a workaround to shorten the Rava ring time when 2N initiates a call and also to have flexible video switching capabilities.

The 2 requests my client has is:

1. Shorten ring time on inbound 2N<>Panel call

2. Change ringtone on panels

Sonos Network Issues

Marty@... — Thu, 03 Apr 2025 12:22:36 -0700

Wondering if anyone has had issues with Sonos devices all dropping offline after a reboot? We have a rather large network and Sonos devices are on two switches in two separated racks connected over fiber. What's interesting is I get "Multicast Success" on the diagnostics page but all of my devices show up not registered. Wondering if I may still be having some kind of multicast/ network issues. Only major thing of note in my opinion is that our router/ primary managed switch are not in the same rack as our Cp4-R. Thanks!

Re: Q: How to: Construct - open a touchpanel project as an XPanel

eqp860212@... (EQ) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 13:21:12 -0700

THANKS for sharing!!!

Re: Private jet systems??

g@... (Gary Miller) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 12:24:37 -0700

Michael this is great advice and exactly what I needed, thank you.

For everyone else chiming in, this is an existing system that has been in place for several years, I'm not doing any physical work to this airplane. The existing system consist of a Kscape, AppleTV, autonomics streamer, and a switcher. Controlled by a CP4. All installed several years ago by someone else.

My contract was simply to redo the programming, which was done by someone who should probably find a less technically challenging job.

That part is complete and working very well, the problem is that the onboard video system must be on a certain HDMI input and the onboard amp must be on a different audio input with the speakers unmuted and turned all the way up.

I love the simplicity of just making a checklist, getting it laminated and putting it in the jet, the idea is greatly appreciated thank you.

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Re: Private jet systems??

lincoln@... (Lincoln King-Cliby) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 12:13:10 -0700

I have done a substantial amount of design/programming/consulting for an aircraft -- not a Gulfstream but a MD-10.

Beware that anything that directly connects to the aircraft electronics or structure, particularly on a permanent or nearly-permanent basis will require a somewhat insane level of both vetting and engineering, likely in the form of a Supplemental Type Certificate, or STC, and has a pretty high potential liability component (see also the Swissair 111 incident).

(e.g. I had to initiate the revision of an equipment cabinet door to improve ventilation and getting drawings back from an aeronautical engineer was, as I understand it, a several thousand $ endeavor and was over a year from end-to-end. E.g. the type of thing that some cabinetry dude would just out a router and have done in 20 minutes in normal construction. For the same reason most of the aircraft I know and love's payload is actually built on cargo pallets and structurally and electrically independent of the host aircraft to minimize the number of those type of concerns.

If the onboard system is integrated with the aircraft electronics I would not be at all surprised if control is via an ARINC 429 or ARINC 664 interface but the particulars aren’t likely to be freely shared.

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Re: Home compatible security system recommendations?

dchramcow@... (David Chramcow) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 09:25:12 -0700

Yes, that's what I've been using. TL280 with IP comms.

Re: Home compatible security system recommendations?

jessie.whiteman@... (Jessie Whiteman) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 08:42:21 -0700

Hi David,

Are you referring to the Neo panels, with the TL280(R)(E) TCP/IP communication module? In the documentation Crestron says they support the Neo panels, but then only mention setup with serial comms via the IT100 with the PCxxx panels, and says those only support keypad emulation. True Blue confirmed to use the TCP/IP module with the Neo line, just looking for some hands on verification.

Re: Private jet systems??

bowser77@... (Michael Caldwell-Waller) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 08:18:59 -0700

Ok, so a company I have ownership in, owns and flies an Embraer private jet. I sometimes fly the airplane, as I have a commercial pilot certificate and have earned the type rating to fly in the right seat. I can speak to this. And I'm authorized to make decisions of this nature for this airplane. (The airplane is a Praetor 600, the type rating is EMB-550, it can carry 9 passengers plus 3 crew)

On this airplane, there's an A/V bay in the airplane that has an HDMI port and a power outlet. It's on a shelf in the forward galley. This is unambiguously meant for providing A/V equipment of the operator's choice. I would see little issue or liability with someone adding a media player that interfaces with nothing but the HDMI port and power ports, so long as it is affixed with nothing stronger than velcro tape. Embraer provided a new-in-box Apple TV as a suggestion for what to put there upon delivery of the airplane when new. The FAA takes issue when something is permanently attached to an airplane versus stuck or sitting there, so... never screw anything down or attach anything in any way that gives the impression it's part of the airplane!

The entertainment system on this airplane is a Honeywell Ovation. That's a system very analogous to the architecture of Crestron that controls all of the cabin functions in the airplane -- basically anything the flight attendant or passengers can access from touch screens (principally A/V, lighting, and then media control of the built-in video sources -- the inflight moving map, and a canned USB media player in this particular airplane we have never used).

The Ovation system is controlled via a hardwired touch screen, and then, there's an Ovation app for iPad that appears to be architected as an "emulator" for the Honeywell touchscreen in the galley. It appears to download all of the UI elements over the WiFi from the controller, just like a Crestron touchscreen downloading a vtpro project. This Honeywell system is probably used in many other makes of airplane including Gulfstream, given that Honeywell also makes avionics and jet engines and they're all over the place.

Now for A/V control. I could use Proxyman (or something similar) to intercept and learn what the iPad sends to the controller in order to get the API commands to, for example, activate the HDMI input for Apple TV. But I just never would.

Instead, do this. Assume there is a flight attendant, or a lead principal on the airplane, who is accustomed to following and executing checklists. That's how everything else is accomplished on the airplane, from starting the engines to shutting it down. The most professional presentation of how to "control the Honeywell Ovation system" is to write a step-by-step checklist, intended for a flight attendant who believes himself or herself professionally competent at executing written checklists... print it on a nice durable plastic card... and have them select a place in the airplane where it "belongs".

A typical format of a crew checklist looks like this: Object...............ACTION. The actions should be right-justified on the page (which I'm not positive I can present in this e-mail, but easy to do in Microsoft Word if you configure a tab stop to align text this way). Also this checklist should ideally be more like a card or smaller. Like the size of a piece of letter paper folded in half, or smaller.

Galley Touchscreen Main Menu..................PRESS VIDEO

Input selection... SELECT GALLEY HDMI

DVD player (pretend that's what we're using)... POWERED ON

DVD Disc... INSERTED

Movie or other program... START FROM MENUS, WITH HANDHELD REMOTE CONTROL

Volume (on galley touchscreen)... ADJUST AS REQUIRED

-- AT END OF DVD PROGRAM --

Galley Touchscreen Main Menu... PRESS VIDEO

Input selection... SELECT NONE (or other, as required)

DVD Disc... REMOVE AND STOW

DVD player... POWER OFF

To a flight crew, you'll score all the points for professionalism to present this sort of checklist.

It's also worth pointing out that the crew is going to be unenthusiastic about anything that interfaces with the airplane and executes things on it outside of their control. They are going to view a quality checklist as a polished professional way to enable them to accomplish something.

Gulfstreams -- particularly the ones with a passenger seating count of 10 or more -- have a regulatory requirement for a flight attendant to be onboard, any time 10 or more seats are occupied. That flight attendant must have completed manufacturer specific training to qualify as that crewmember. So you can count on there being a professional already involved and willing to be trained on a checklist as part of their duty.

Mike

Re: Private jet systems??

AVMaster619@... (AVMaster) — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 07:06:40 -0700

Not to rain on your parade but before you even consider touching that jet, realize that the liability is absolutely insane. Nearly every single thing in that plane is regulated and or will require approval from someone…including the in flight entertainment system. You cannot, nor should not install any electronic thing in that plane without doing some comprehensive and exhaustive research. We had a client that owned a gorgeous G6 a while back and it just wasn’t worth the liability and headacheto do what the owner wanted. We ended up just consulting with the company that was doing the interior modifications as they were setup and familiar with all the potential regulations and certifications. Last thing you need is 50+ million dollar plane having issues because you interfacing with their systems.

Private jet systems??

g@... (Gary Miller) — Tue, 01 Apr 2025 12:19:55 -0700

Has anyone here done any work in a Gulfstream private jet? If so do you know if there's a way to control the onboard video switching and amplifier source selection?