Re: Modifying part of a Serial String with an Analog Value #bestpractices #crestron #values

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Two DIVMODs (one to pull off the hundreds digit, the reminder from that one to get tens/units.

ASUM tens, hundreds, and units with 30h to convert the number to its ASCII equivalent (e.g. 30h = ASCII ‘0’, 35h = ASCII ‘5’, etc.

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Those values go to your ATOS.

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Instead of ASUMing with 30h you could use 3 ASCALELs instead (min in = 0d, mx in = 9d, min out = 30h, max out= 39h, format = 0d

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If it’s not frequently changing and you aren’t worried about the performance penalty (or if it’s critical that it’s not 0-padded) S+ is easy but less elegant IMO

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Chramcow
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 1:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [crestron] Modifying part of a Serial String with an Analog Value #bestpractices #crestron #values

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So here's what I'm looking to do.

I need to modify this part of a serial string (marked as bold):?

*1*31#VALUE#0*10##

The appropriate range is 1 to 100. So here's what I got (I'm using a slider/gauge to drive the change of the analog value):

That is modifying the serial string at the exact right place/position I want it, but is taking the 1 to 100 value and converting it to ASCII, so instead of putting a decimal value there, it's displaying different ASCII characters positioned 1 through 100 in the ASCII table:

What can I do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Cannot get backlight on CNX-B2, B4, B6, B8, and B12 keypads to remain on in Home OS3

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I am doing a retrofit to update a home with a centralized Crestron Home OS3 setup, and I have replaced the D3-Pro based lighting with Home OS3 control.? ?I am connecting the clx-1dim4, 1dim8, 1dimu4, 2dimu8, f1an4 modules and CNX key pads Using DIN-CENCN-2 modules.? I am not exceeding 20 cresnet devices on any cresnet subnet.? ?For whatever reason I am having 2 problems.

1) I am able to get any of the backlights to remain on even though Crestron Home OS3 shows the backlight at 100.
2) I am issues where I turn a load on on one keypad and ti will show on on another keypad that can also control that load (no scene involved) and after some amount of time one or both of the keypads will no longer show that load as active.

The keypads themselve work fine.

I don't believe it is a wiring issue since all of this wiring and the associated keypads have been functioning for > 9 years.?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thx
Bryan

Re: TPS-6X microswitches

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You should be able to enter setup mode with toolbox.

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On Mon, May 25, 2020, 12:56 PM gablerjohn <ComeAlive@...> wrote:

Has anyone replaced the 2 microswitches for the top buttons?? If so, would you still have the information to order replacements?? I really don't want to send in for repair and unfortunately, without the top buttons you can't get into setup mode.

Re: CH5 CrComLib.subscribeState Issues

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Scott,

The discord is here:??

Once signed in, you'll see the #ch5 forum within.

Best,
Scott

TPS-6X microswitches

#235372

Has anyone replaced the 2 microswitches for the top buttons?? If so, would you still have the information to order replacements?? I really don't want to send in for repair and unfortunately, without the top buttons you can't get into setup mode.

Re: Modifying part of a Serial String with an Analog Value #bestpractices #crestron #values

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Your going to want to do this in s+ if possible will be a lot easier in only a few lines of code?

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On Mon, May 25, 2020, 1:16 PM David Chramcow <dchramcow@...> wrote:

So here's what I'm looking to do.

I need to modify this part of a serial string (marked as bold):?

*1*31#VALUE#0*10##
The appropriate range is 1 to 100. So here's what I got (I'm using a slider/gauge to drive the change of the analog value):

That is modifying the serial string at the exact right place/position I want it, but is taking the 1 to 100 value and converting it to ASCII, so instead of putting a decimal value there, it's displaying different ASCII characters positioned 1 through 100 in the ASCII table:

What can I do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Modifying part of a Serial String with an Analog Value #bestpractices #crestron #values

#235370

So here's what I'm looking to do.

I need to modify this part of a serial string (marked as bold):?

*1*31#VALUE#0*10##

The appropriate range is 1 to 100. So here's what I got (I'm using a slider/gauge to drive the change of the analog value):

That is modifying the serial string at the exact right place/position I want it, but is taking the 1 to 100 value and converting it to ASCII, so instead of putting a decimal value there, it's displaying different ASCII characters positioned 1 through 100 in the ASCII table:

What can I do? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Re: EISC - Communication #crestron

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I'm not clear on why EISCs are needed at all here. Doesn't each program just need to know the stream info so it can set its NVX decoder to look at a particular encoder from another room? That info could be fed from a text file loaded to each processor (would have to be updated when new rooms are added). It can also be fed in real time from the encoders, which does require EISCs, but I'm not sure that's any easier. Maybe there are benefits to that solution than I'm not thinking of.

Another option would be to use subscriptions in the decoders (load the same XML list to each one so they are identical). Subscriptions would give you the benefit of not having to change each program as new rooms are added - you could write the program to have analog routing values of 1-20, so there's room to grow. Then just hide whichever buttons aren't needed on each interface - you could have a settings page where each encoder's source button can be enabled or disabled for that interface, and renamed (read/write to a text file). A Subpage Reference List for these buttons would let you keep them organized as buttons are enabled/disabled.

There are several ways to handle this, so don't get overwhelmed by these ideas. Just brainstorming some other options. If you've got a solution that's working well, stick with it. Also, for 5 rooms, it's not worth spending a week developing some ultra awesome solution that will save you 10 minutes when updating the code. Unless you learn useful skills in the process that let you handle a 50 room project next time!

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Josh Winn
The LiquidPixel Group

Re: CH5 CrComLib.subscribeState Issues

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James,

That Discord link didn't work for me. Is it possible for you to share a proper invite link?

Re: Crestron CP3 losing program after power failure

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A good idea trying a new power supply. I've been seeing a lot of Crestron power supplies failing lately.

The thing that concerns me is the CP3 processor lost its mycrestron dynamic DNS settings too.? And when I try to use the web gui at , it does not work anymore -- just a spinning wheel of death.? I am thinking there may be something more serious going on.

On 5/24/20 11:21 AM, dblpnt via groups.io wrote:

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I would first try another power supply.
IIRC there's a functionality in firmware that erases the program after X unsuccessful power ups and maybe the used one aged so that it needs time to stabilize after power is applied.
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Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

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One of the big complains I have about the media streamers today is the general lack of a video gui that you can display on a TV and control with a simple remote.? So when I saw the MMS-5a has the feature to select music via the on screen display, you got my interest.? The MMS-2A and MMS-3e almost certainly does not support IR as there is no IR window on the front of and all metal front panel.? It is likely the MMS-1e does not support IR either just looking at the pictures.

But don't get your hopes up too high about the IR remote on the MMS-5A.? I found this review at:

Quoting for this web site:

"The supplied IR remote was my least favorite control option. It feels like an afterthought, thrown in so you'd still be able to control the system if your network or whole-house control system were to crash. The remote has limited range and a very narrow IR window; I basically had to be in a straight line to the MMS-5A's IR sensor to get the player to respond. Plus, the inability to enter text or jump to a certain letter in your library can make for a frustrating browsing experience. At least the GUI scrolls very quickly through your library, but anyone who has amassed a huge music collection will grow weary of this quickly."

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On 5/24/20 8:05 PM, ktrdsl23 via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Steve!? I will take a look in a bit.

I was in the process of typing this so figured I would still send it.

Interesting about the IR.? The MMS-1e and 5e have an IR receiver.? And the MMS-5a has an optional IR remote.? I'm assuming the remote would work with the 2a but seeing how the 3e doesn't have the receiver maybe that isn't a good assumption.? Seems very strange why some of the models would support IR and others don't.? My hope was to have a few favorite channels programmed and controlled by IR so I can easily select one of those from my TPS-6L and then if I wanted more specific control then use the Android app on my phone.? Not sure if that will be possible.

Probably worth me grabbing one off Ebay still and playing around with the Simpl program and seeing if I can band-aid something together.? Worst case is I can simply hook it up to my AAE and then control it from the app.? Bruce, if you wouldn't mind sending me some screenshots to show me how you have it set up that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for all the help!

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

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Thanks Steve!? I will take a look in a bit.

I was in the process of typing this so figured I would still send it.

Interesting about the IR.? The MMS-1e and 5e have an IR receiver.? And the MMS-5a has an optional IR remote.? I'm assuming the remote would work with the 2a but seeing how the 3e doesn't have the receiver maybe that isn't a good assumption.? Seems very strange why some of the models would support IR and others don't.? My hope was to have a few favorite channels programmed and controlled by IR so I can easily select one of those from my TPS-6L and then if I wanted more specific control then use the Android app on my phone.? Not sure if that will be possible.?

Probably worth me grabbing one off Ebay still and playing around with the Simpl program and seeing if I can band-aid something together.? Worst case is I can simply hook it up to my AAE and then control it from the app.? Bruce, if you wouldn't mind sending me some screenshots to show me how you have it set up that would be greatly appreciated.?

Thanks for all the help!

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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:04 PM Steve Kuehn <steve@...> wrote:

Your lucky day.? I have a version that uses VTPRO v4.4.? Here is the link:
/g/crestron/files/Modules/Autonomic_MMS_Version_3.2.6.zip

The version Lincoln has is probably the older MMS-2 (no A).?

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

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Your lucky day.? I have a version that uses VTPRO v4.4.? Here is the link:
/g/crestron/files/Modules/Autonomic_MMS_Version_3.2.6.zip

The version Lincoln has is probably the older MMS-2 (no A).?

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

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Finally a resi question I know the answer to :) 

At least with the MMS that I pulled off a junk pile to turn into the replacement PBX for my house -- there is definitely not a IR receiver on it. It's just a relatively standard small formfactor (micro ITX?) PC motherboard with (IIRC) an Intel Atom processor... very similar, conceptually at least, to something like an Intel NUC...

(This is for the roughly square version -- maybe 5x5x2ish with a power button centered on the front)

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Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Platinum) 
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC | 
D: (+1)440.771.4807 | O: (+1)440.449.1100? | F: (+1)440.449.1106
Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Qualified Independent Programmer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Kuehn
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 5:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

I don't believe your can control the MMS-x with IR.? It don't believe there is even a IR receiver built in the unit plus if there was, there is no gui to interface with to select your music.? The HDMI output only displays the current song playing -- there are no navigation controls.

The only way to control the MMS is via TCP/IP.

On 5/24/20 3:22 PM, ktrdsl23 via groups.io wrote:
Thanks for sending that.? I've been reviewing the Simpl program and 
some of the programming may be a little too advanced for me.
Unfortunately I can't get a VTPro File to see how a bunch of these 
signals flow through which is what I would probably need to replicate 
this into my system.? I did find a VTPro file for the Xpanel in the 
e-server group but I only have VTPro 5.3 and the oldest file they have 
was made in 5.4 so I don't think I can open it which is too bad.? I 
wish I had access to the IR file so I could at least get the device 
and control it with IR while playing around with the different 
modules.? Might still be worth an Ebay purchase to mess around with.

I don't supposed anybody has an old 5.3 or earlier VTP file for their 
demo program?? Thanks!

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

#235362

I don't believe your can control the MMS-x with IR.? It don't believe there is even a IR receiver built in the unit plus if there was, there is no gui to interface with to select your music.? The HDMI output only displays the current song playing -- there are no navigation controls.

The only way to control the MMS is via TCP/IP.

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On 5/24/20 3:22 PM, ktrdsl23 via groups.io wrote:
Thanks for sending that.? I've been reviewing the Simpl program and some of the programming may be a little too advanced for me.? Unfortunately I can't get a VTPro File to see how a bunch of these signals flow through which is what I would probably need to replicate this into my system.? I did find a VTPro file for the Xpanel in the e-server group but I only have VTPro 5.3 and the oldest file they have was made in 5.4 so I don't think I can open it which is too bad.? I wish I had access to the IR file so I could at least get the device and control it with IR while playing around with the different modules.? Might still be worth an Ebay purchase to mess around with.

I don't supposed anybody has an old 5.3 or earlier VTP file for their demo program?? Thanks!

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

pearce.bruce

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I use the autonomics server but don’t use the media object (not that much of a fan of the media object on any device )?

Thankfully the module you get from snap AV has a lot of function but you can actually just use a minimal amount of signals . I can get some screen shots if you need some help?

Regards

Bruce

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On 24 May 2020, at 21:23, ktrdsl23 <ktrdsl23@...> wrote:

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Thanks for sending that.? I've been reviewing the Simpl program and some of the programming may be a little too advanced for me.? Unfortunately I can't get a VTPro File to see how a bunch of these signals flow through which is what I would probably need to replicate this into my system.? I did find a VTPro file for the Xpanel in the e-server group but I only have VTPro 5.3 and the oldest file they have was made in 5.4 so I don't think I can open it which is too bad.? I wish I had access to the IR file so I could at least get the device and control it with IR while playing around with the different modules.? Might still be worth an Ebay purchase to mess around with.

I don't supposed anybody has an old 5.3 or earlier VTP file for their demo program?? Thanks!
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:44 AM Steve Kuehn <steve@...> wrote:
Here is the support page for the MMS-2A.

Go to the Support tab and you can download the protocol and an example program.

You don't have to use Media Player Object.? Instead you have build your own interface as shown in the example program (at least it used to be that way).

The MMS-1e is pretty much the same as the MMS-2A except it is one zone instead of two.? Same module controls both.? I've only used the MMS-2A and the newer MMS-3E.? So I have no real world experience with the MMS-1e.

Per the spec table, the MMS-2A supports Tidal.? The MMS-1e is a newer model so it is more likely to support newer streaming services.

Good luck,
Steve
On 5/24/20 9:26 AM, ktrdsl23 via wrote:

I was hoping somebody could help me.? I have an old Crestron system that I self support.? I use a CP2E and have a few TPS-6Ls and 4Ls throughout my home.? My Crestron Database and Device Database are a few years old and I can’t update them as I’m not a certified developer.

I’m looking to replace my internet radio streamer to either an Autonomic MMS-2A or MMS-1e which I would purchase on Ebay which then would feed into my two AAEs for home audio distribution.? I don’t believe I have access to the Media Player Object that it sounds like most people use for the Autonomic.?

I’d be fine controlling with IR to select a few favorites (that’s what I currently do with my Grace Internet Radio) and then use either the Autonomic app or web interface for more complete control.? The issue is that only the MMS-5A comes with a remote control and I can’t seem to find the IR codes online after doing a bit of searching.

The streaming services I care most about are TuneIn, Pandora and Tidal.? The Grace only has Pandora which is why I’m looking to upgrade.? I have a few questions:

1)????? Does the MMS-2A support Tidal with the latest firmware and would I be able to update the firmware if I bought one on Ebay?? If it does are there any other benefits to getting the MMS-1e over the 2A as the 2A seems to be cheaper on Ebay.

2)????? Is there a publicly available Crestron Control Module or does anybody have an IR file that I could get to control either device?? I didn’t see anything in the files section of this group.

3)? Am I better off considering something else such as BlueSound?

Thanks!

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

#235360

Thanks for sending that.? I've been reviewing the Simpl program and some of the programming may be a little too advanced for me.? Unfortunately I can't get a VTPro File to see how a bunch of these signals flow through which is what I would probably need to replicate this into my system.? I did find a VTPro file for the Xpanel in the e-server group but I only have VTPro 5.3 and the oldest file they have was made in 5.4 so I don't think I can open it which is too bad.? I wish I had access to the IR file so I could at least get the device and control it with IR while playing around with the different modules.? Might still be worth an Ebay purchase to mess around with.

I don't supposed anybody has an old 5.3 or earlier VTP file for their demo program?? Thanks!

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On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:44 AM Steve Kuehn <steve@...> wrote:

Here is the support page for the MMS-2A.

Go to the Support tab and you can download the protocol and an example program.

You don't have to use Media Player Object.? Instead you have build your own interface as shown in the example program (at least it used to be that way).

The MMS-1e is pretty much the same as the MMS-2A except it is one zone instead of two.? Same module controls both.? I've only used the MMS-2A and the newer MMS-3E.? So I have no real world experience with the MMS-1e.

Per the spec table, the MMS-2A supports Tidal.? The MMS-1e is a newer model so it is more likely to support newer streaming services.

Good luck,
Steve
On 5/24/20 9:26 AM, ktrdsl23 via wrote:

I was hoping somebody could help me.? I have an old Crestron system that I self support.? I use a CP2E and have a few TPS-6Ls and 4Ls throughout my home.? My Crestron Database and Device Database are a few years old and I can’t update them as I’m not a certified developer.

I’m looking to replace my internet radio streamer to either an Autonomic MMS-2A or MMS-1e which I would purchase on Ebay which then would feed into my two AAEs for home audio distribution.? I don’t believe I have access to the Media Player Object that it sounds like most people use for the Autonomic.?

I’d be fine controlling with IR to select a few favorites (that’s what I currently do with my Grace Internet Radio) and then use either the Autonomic app or web interface for more complete control.? The issue is that only the MMS-5A comes with a remote control and I can’t seem to find the IR codes online after doing a bit of searching.

The streaming services I care most about are TuneIn, Pandora and Tidal.? The Grace only has Pandora which is why I’m looking to upgrade.? I have a few questions:

1)????? Does the MMS-2A support Tidal with the latest firmware and would I be able to update the firmware if I bought one on Ebay?? If it does are there any other benefits to getting the MMS-1e over the 2A as the 2A seems to be cheaper on Ebay.

2)????? Is there a publicly available Crestron Control Module or does anybody have an IR file that I could get to control either device?? I didn’t see anything in the files section of this group.

3)? Am I better off considering something else such as BlueSound?

Thanks!

Re: Crestron CP3 losing program after power failure

#235359

I would first try another power supply.
IIRC there's a functionality in firmware that erases the program after X unsuccessful power ups and maybe the used one aged so that it needs time to stabilize after power is applied.

Re: Cannot get Crestron Home to recognize DIN-CENCN-2

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Hi Nathan,

Thank you very much.? ?I was having a brain freeze.? ?Thank you for your help and the quick reply.? ?I was able to continue last night after reading this.

Re: Autonomic MMS-2A vs. MMS-1e features and control question

#235357

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Here is the support page for the MMS-2A.

Go to the Support tab and you can download the protocol and an example program.

You don't have to use Media Player Object.? Instead you have build your own interface as shown in the example program (at least it used to be that way).

The MMS-1e is pretty much the same as the MMS-2A except it is one zone instead of two.? Same module controls both.? I've only used the MMS-2A and the newer MMS-3E.? So I have no real world experience with the MMS-1e.

Per the spec table, the MMS-2A supports Tidal.? The MMS-1e is a newer model so it is more likely to support newer streaming services.

Good luck,
Steve

On 5/24/20 9:26 AM, ktrdsl23 via groups.io wrote:

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I was hoping somebody could help me.? I have an old Crestron system that I self support.? I use a CP2E and have a few TPS-6Ls and 4Ls throughout my home.? My Crestron Database and Device Database are a few years old and I can’t update them as I’m not a certified developer.

I’m looking to replace my internet radio streamer to either an Autonomic MMS-2A or MMS-1e which I would purchase on Ebay which then would feed into my two AAEs for home audio distribution.? I don’t believe I have access to the Media Player Object that it sounds like most people use for the Autonomic.?

I’d be fine controlling with IR to select a few favorites (that’s what I currently do with my Grace Internet Radio) and then use either the Autonomic app or web interface for more complete control.? The issue is that only the MMS-5A comes with a remote control and I can’t seem to find the IR codes online after doing a bit of searching.

The streaming services I care most about are TuneIn, Pandora and Tidal.? The Grace only has Pandora which is why I’m looking to upgrade.? I have a few questions:

1)????? Does the MMS-2A support Tidal with the latest firmware and would I be able to update the firmware if I bought one on Ebay?? If it does are there any other benefits to getting the MMS-1e over the 2A as the 2A seems to be cheaper on Ebay.

2)????? Is there a publicly available Crestron Control Module or does anybody have an IR file that I could get to control either device?? I didn’t see anything in the files section of this group.

3)? Am I better off considering something else such as BlueSound?

Thanks!