Are you jamming the output with something else?? Is the output connected to the input of a module that is jamming it with something else?
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 2:05 PM Gregory Oldacre < grego@...> wrote: Or gate seems pretty simple to me,? I have bunch of signals going into or gate and if any of them go high then output goes high.? that is not happening
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Or gate seems pretty simple to me,? I have bunch of signals going into or gate and if any of them go high then output goes high.? that is not happening.??
This problem was happening way before these versions
? ? ? ? Crestron Database..................:? 206.05.004.00??
? ? ? ? Device Database....................:? 200.90.002.00?
? ? ? ? SIMPL Windows......................:? 4.1700.03.01?
? ? ? ? SIMPL Windows Library..............:? 508? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? SIMPL+ Cross Compiler..............:? 1.3? ? ? ?
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I have had or's and they a not work for me once. In the logic, it is normal signals and one of them was high but yet or logic produced no high signal on the output when I replaced it with a buffer (which I thought was terrible to do but was my quick fix for issue) it worked fine.? I have also had Simpl break down on me many many years ago I had to remove logic to get going again, I think the file was too big back then.? Don't think trans gate won't work in these cases because of the application.
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On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 08:01 AM, Dave H - Crestron TS wrote:
p compile files in \SPlsWork\ are generated fresh, whereas F12 may use previous temp files for quicker compilation
Recompile did not fix this problem although it has fixed other problem for me in the past
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FYI I have found issues over the years that no one else has had or noticed, some I pointed out and have gotten fixed but I usually just find a way around it and don't say anything but this time was annoying because it cost me some time when I didn't have it.? nVision is huge with a lot going on in there and lots of modules etc, IP ID's etc, so I am not sure you will see this problem in an average project.??
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I have had a few or symbols over the years where they or just don't work. The cases are not a lot over the years and almost all of them have been working for years or long period of time and something is not working an then after debugging find out the or is broken replace with buffer and everything works fine again.? Makes me hesitant to use or's in important cases.? The program is huge don't know if that has anything to do with it but it happens for sure.? I have had other weird issues over the years but worked my way around them.? I agree that Crestron Simpl symbols are rock-solid but this does exist.
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Re: Debugger and 4-series
PRO4>SETLogoffidletime 0
Logoff Idle Time CHANGED: infinite
Thats what my PRO4 also responded with. My PRO3 didn't give any response when the same command was sent.
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Re: Skipping Program Slots
My past experience with programming slots is that each additional program does take some extra RAM overhead just to exist.?
If you use too many programs, it appears you end up with less RAM when comparing with the single-program approach.
I don't remember the numbers exactly, but I remember playing with different scenarios and the difference was sufficient enough to make me keep the number of program slots to a minimum in certain cases.
It is essentially a game of "separation of concerns" versus "memory resources". This is more noticeable in small processors like MC3's (may rest in peace!) or CP3's...? This is not much of a problem on PRO3's and AV3's.
Just something to keep in mind when dealing with processors that don't have much RAM...
edit: now I remember when I noticed this... I was trying to do a half dozen of programming slots on an RMC3... which by definition is just plain wrong...ran out of memory quickly. On a decent processor this should not be a problem.
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Re: Debugger and 4-series
Thanks Steve.?
I just checked my CP4 and when I type in the console command the
response is:
Logoff Idle Time (minutes): infinite
Jay
On 8/11/2021 9:46 PM, Steve Kuehn
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 08:49 PM, MSTC wrote:
There is an
automatic disconnect after 20 minutes.? I saw a console
command to adjust the time out but I can¡¯t remember it right
now.? I think setting it to 0 would make it never disco.
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I haven¡¯t
personally noticed it being slower but I have run into
problems with the debugger losing its connection with the
control system
The console command you are looking for is:
SETLogoffidletime 0
Haven't tried it with SIMPL debugger yet.? However, a few
days ago, I was ssh into a CP4 all day (no Crestron software
involve) and had no disconnects.? Before I issued the above
command via an SSH connection, the CP4 was constantly
disconnecting.
YMMV,
Steve
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Has anyone else had issues with the LAN port on Samsung QM displays going to sleep?? I have two QM75R displays controlled over LAN as Crestron Connected Devices.? I had no trouble controlling them initially, but two days later I found them not responding and not connected in the IP table.? After I manually turned display power on they showed as connected again, and showed as connected the rest of the day, even when power was off.? A few days later I found the same situation.? I have disabled every energy saving function I can find in the menu.?
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Re: OT: IR Controlled Window AC or Mini-Split AC or Mini-Split Heat Pump
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Hi Jay,?
I make use of interface devices from Intensis which offer device
specific modules and allow AC control over Wifi.?
For the larger projects with VRF systems, I opt for CoolMaster
K
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Do not wait for it!
The Samsung MDC protocoll works fine.
Tcp/IP client port: 1515d
Samsung Flip ID: 01 (set in samsung menu)
power on: \xAA\x11\x01\x01\x01\x14
power off: \xAA\x11\x01\x01\x00\x13
in HDMI1: \xAA\x14\x01\x01\x21\x37
in HDMI2: \xAA\x14\x01\x01\x23\x39
in HDMI3: \xAA\x14\x01\x01\x31\x47
IWB mode: \xAA\x14\x01\x01\x64\x7A
I hope this help!
Regards,
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SIMPL team is actively working to resolve the 404 error since Microsoft removed .NET CF 3.5 msi from their servers.
It can currently be downloaded from Crestron from this OLH article:
- https://support.crestron.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1001084
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I've never encountered a truly "faulty" logic symbol in 8+ years of providing support.
When it isn't a programming mistake, the symptom is most often attributed to mismatched signal file version version.
(SIMPL Debugger referencing a .sig (local PC) or.zig (on processor)?file from an older compile than what's currently loaded etc.)
(In those scenarios closing all Crestron programs and making sure Toolbox starts with a fresh VptCOM server session helps.)
In rare cases where this symptom's encountered I've found the signal behavior is fixed with a Recompile All (ALT+F12).
This ensures temp compile files in \SPlsWork\ are generated fresh, whereas F12 may use previous temp files for quicker compilation.
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Re: Skipping Program Slots
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 08:16 AM, @johnmax wrote:
"Bypass auto stop/start of dependent programs" handles this automatically
Ideally, yes, the on-site technician knows to use those settings in ?if needed (I almost always keep it checked along with Send SIG).
Personally, I wouldn't avoid best practices taught to me because of it though...I wouldn't trust every tech to be aware of those options during deployment or service calls.
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Re: Skipping Program Slots
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 02:31 PM, Dave H - Crestron TS wrote:
Due to slot hierarchy (ex. loading to slot 4 may progreset slots 5-10, loading to slot 8 may progreset slots 9-10, etc.) I've always been told it's generally advised to place things like Security, Lighting, HVAC in Slots 1/2/3/etc. and less critical subsystems like AV in lower slots.
Dave I thought the checkbox in Toolbox transfer window "Bypass auto stop/start of dependent programs" handles this automatically?
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Re: Pulse-Eight (Zektor) ProAudio 16
We have had more than half of these fail over the years.? I would avoid using this product, it will burn you later.?
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As others have stated, crestron logic symbols simply work.
Check all driving logic!
It's easy to get caught out if you are using the or to sum a bunch of pulsed signals and just one signal gets maintained hi. If you are expecting a pulse output from the or make sure all inputs go through a one shot of some sort, mos, wpulse etc.
If your driving signals are maintained and the or is not behaving as expected then you may need to re-think your logic.
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+1 for Lindsay.
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Many many ORs all working as expected for me ¨C from the CNMS(X) [though TBH it¡¯s been a long time for those] through the 4-series (this morning) and never seen one not doing what it was supposed to. (About 12 years ago I had an odd case
with the NOT not working in a particular corner case in particular circumstances on early(er) PRO2 firmware but¡
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Very curious about the circumstances/logic flow where you¡¯re seeing issues.
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An OR and a BUFFER (assuming the outputs of the buffer have the same signal name) should not be behaving anywhere near the same ¨C if you¡¯re finding that a BUFFER with jammed outputs yields the behavior you expect/need for an application
an TRANS or NTRANS (negated) might be a better option than either an OR or a BUFFER
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of
l_codd
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Or Symbol Faulty
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What is the fault?
It is more likely the logic that is feeding the OR. Is one signal Hi when you expect to see a Hi from a different signal?
The logic engine is the most robust piece of Crestron's software and has been around for nearly 40 years. Not to say that there might be a fault somewhere, but please explain. What Device Database, what controller, what firmware?
Lindsay
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Re: Debugger and 4-series
?However, I¡¯ve seen some ?disconnects much faster than 20 minutes?¡° Yep, same here. ? Cheers, Thorsten ? ? However, I¡¯ve seen some ?disconnects much faster than 20 minutes?
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 7:49 PM MSTC < kol.mstc@...> wrote: There is an automatic disconnect after 20 minutes.? I saw a console command to adjust the time out but I can¡¯t remember it right now.? I think setting it to 0 would make it never disco. ? I haven¡¯t personally noticed it being slower but I have run into problems with the debugger losing its connection with the control system ? On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 6:38 PM ckangis <chris@...> wrote: Is it just the site I'm working with or is Debugger noticeably slower/More sluggish (Iknow, I know...) with 4-series. I'm running a CP4 with v2.6 FW
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Gregory Oldacre
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