|
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
I have some of my sketches but I don't think I have anything from the other students. I might have a few half frame kodachrome slides that would show some of them
(sent from my pixel2) :)=
?
Rick:
?
Do you have any of the other project design alternatives??
?
???
Peter
Crisitello
????? ?Crisitel@...
?
?
?
?
From: C-Car@... [mailto:C-Car@...]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:10 PM
To: C-Car@...
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
?
?
I just came across this spec sheet from the 1974 Citicar - it was the basis of an Industrial Design project in college.? We tried to establish some communication with Vanguard to share information and results but they weren't interested.
My redesign was very conservative, a couple in the class were very good.? The best one was done by Jon Albert, who ended up at General Motors for decades.
|
Re: Brakes are utterly useless--how do I fix them?[1Attachment]
? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
From: philip weltySent: Friday, April 19, 2019 11:32 AM To: C-Car@...Subject: RE: [C-Car] Brakes are utterly useless--how do I fix them?[1Attachment] ? BobHenry, I have a brake pedal assembly, I will sell. Price is $10.00 plus shipping. I can send a pic if you want. Are you looking to replace the master cylinder with a original single reservoir? or a newer double ?For a single, I have drilled hole in the filler cap, tapped it for quarter in. pipe , run a piece tygon tubing? up along the left side dash and capped it off with a fitting To accept a pipe plug. When low, I remove plug and fill with a funnel. The tygon lets me see how full it is. ?I have lots of spare parts from 3 citicars. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? ? Mine is still missing the complete pedal and reseivor assembly so I really have troubles.? HOWEVER those of you having trouble bleeding the brakes might try gravity bleeding them. open the wheel bleed screws after filling the resivor and just leave them open the air will be forced out with the weight of the fluid. Keep an eye on the level if possible. It just might work for you.? P.S. anyone have an extra master cylinder and pedal assembly lying around On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:10 AM, "nicholasgee58 nicholasgee58@... [C-Car]" wrote: ? ? Best way I found is to use two people. The resivor is so small that you have to keep it toped off after 3 pumps of the brakes when flushing. Also put a old shirt around the ?bottom of it. I spilled fluid out of it while filling since your arm is in such a weird spot. Also I removed the driver door to make it a little easier to get to the resivor. Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Mark Barbour mark.barbour@... [C-Car]" Date: 4/17/19 6:03 AM (GMT-05:00) Subject: RE: [C-Car] Brakes are utterly useless--how do I fix them? ? I have the same problem.? I replaced everything on all 4 wheels but I must have a bunch of air in the lines after trying to bleed them over and over. From: C-Car@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: C-Car@...
Subject: [C-Car] Brakes are utterly useless--how do I fix them? When I bought my CCar, the brakes (while they worked) weren't good and I figured they could use some work. Here's what I've done so far: - Replaced the master cylinder. I did bench-bleed it.
- (tried to) Rebuild the left rear brake cylinder. It was leaking, so I got it new rubber, honed it, and put it back together. It still leaks, but not as bad now... The internal metal piece was bent out of shape on the new rubber on the side that leaks (Still). I wonder if that it the cause of the leak.
- I adjusted all the brakes, though I've never done it before. They worked much better afterwards (testing the car at 1-5MPH rolling).
Here's the problem--despite everything I've done, the brakes somehow manage to be worse than when I bought the car! Other than that leaking cylinder, I don't see anything wrong with the system. The pads and drums should be fine, the car has under 2K on it. Anyone have any tips for how to get the brakes back to working condition? (To give an idea of how bad they are: 10MPH, foot down to the floor, and the brakes do almost nothing. If I was on level ground, I might stop after 20-30 feet.) ? CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this communication. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, attorney/client privileged, attorney work product, confidential or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately either by phone or by return e-mail, and destroy all copies of this message, electronic, paper, or otherwise. ?
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
Rick:
?
Do you have any of the other project design alternatives??
?
???
Peter
Crisitello
????? ?Crisitel@...
?
?
?
?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
From: C-Car@... [mailto:C-Car@...]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:10 PM
To: C-Car@...
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
?
?
I just came across this spec sheet from the 1974 Citicar - it was the basis of an Industrial Design project in college.? We tried to establish some communication with Vanguard to share information and results but they weren't interested.
My redesign was very conservative, a couple in the class were very good.? The best one was done by Jon Albert, who ended up at General Motors for decades.
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
I just came across this spec sheet from the 1974 Citicar - it was the basis of an Industrial Design project in college.? We tried to establish some communication with Vanguard to share information and results but they weren't interested.
My redesign was very conservative, a couple in the class were very good.? The best one was done by Jon Albert, who ended up at General Motors for decades.
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
jacob thank you for the push i live in florida i do have c-car panel and postal van panels if you need a list of what i have in stock just shoot me a note i can send a fyler to you or who needs them ill ship them as cheep as i can i use fed x for shiping
thank you chris bonotto the VP of Florida Citicar EV Club?
In a message dated 4/29/2019 8:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, C-Car@... writes:
?
?
Great to know, thanks for the input, all!
ABS is a common 3D printer plastic filament, but I suspect it will be a few decades at least until we have available 3D printers large enough to print entire body panels... In the mean time, we can buy them fron Christopher, or try making our own molds and vacuum-forming new panels.
- Jacob Field
1980 Gold ComutaCar
|
You can also click on "Manage
My Groups" on the side bar, select this group, and change "Mail
subscription" to "No email."
This won't delete your account, but should turn off the emails each time someone posts.
Best - Jacob Field 1980 Gold ComutaCar
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
Great to know, thanks for the input, all!
ABS is a common 3D printer plastic filament, but I suspect it will be a few decades at least until we have available 3D printers large enough to print entire body panels... In the mean time, we can buy them fron Christopher, or try making our own molds and vacuum-forming new panels.
- Jacob Field 1980 Gold ComutaCar
|
Can you please delete my account. I don't own a car anymore.tgank u
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
yes the panels i have ware the nos panels from sebring from when the plant closed down thar are abs vacum formed
In a message dated 4/29/2019 12:55:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, C-Car@... writes:
?
?
Hi All,
Someone mentioned that they had body panels available (NOS) in another thread, which made me remember this, but I didn't want to hijack the topic with my off-topic idea.
I've been wondering if the body panels were originally vacuum-formed. ABS softens a little above 105C (221F). In addition, the body panels don't seem to have any sharp edges--looking at them, they seem the ideal shapes for vacuum-forming.
Does anyone know if this was how the originals were made? Has anyone tried making a new panel this way?
Thanks!
- Jacob Field
1980 Gold ComutaCar
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
As I recall, yes, the body panels were vacuum formed ABS. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit my very own website at
.... or just photos and stuff at
?
A few years back, I talked with the company that originally did the panels. From what I understand, they used a mold but no longer had it.?
?
?
???
Peter
Crisitello
??????
Crisitel@...
?
?
?
?
?
Someone mentioned that they had body panels available (NOS) in another thread, which made me remember this, but I didn't want to hijack the topic with my off-topic idea.
I've been wondering if the body panels were originally vacuum-formed. ABS softens a little above 105C (221F). In addition, the body panels don't seem to have any sharp edges--looking at them, they seem the ideal shapes for vacuum-forming.
Does anyone know if this was how the originals were made? Has anyone tried making a new panel this way?
?
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
Good to know. It seems that it wouldn't be hard to make a mold, so long as you had a good car you could use. Of course, there might be differences between the Citi and Comuta cars, and the Vans will be different too—but it could be done.?
I don't need body panels, luckily—but I've been curious about this for a while.
- Jacob Field 1980 Gold ComutaCar
?
A few years back, I talked with the company that originally did the panels. From what I understand, they used a mold but no longer had it.?
?
?
???
Peter
Crisitello
??????
Crisitel@...
?
?
?
?
?
Someone mentioned that they had body panels available (NOS) in another thread, which made me remember this, but I didn't want to hijack the topic with my off-topic idea.
I've been wondering if the body panels were originally vacuum-formed. ABS softens a little above 105C (221F). In addition, the body panels don't seem to have any sharp edges--looking at them, they seem the ideal shapes for vacuum-forming.
Does anyone know if this was how the originals were made? Has anyone tried making a new panel this way?
?
|
Re: Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
A few years back, I talked with the company that originally did the panels. From what I understand, they used a mold but no longer had it.?
?
?
???
Peter
Crisitello
??????
Crisitel@...
?
?
?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
From: C-Car@... [mailto:C-Car@...]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:54 PM
To: C-Car@...
Subject: [C-Car] Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
?
?
Someone mentioned that they had body panels available (NOS) in another thread, which made me remember this, but I didn't want to hijack the topic with my off-topic idea.
I've been wondering if the body panels were originally vacuum-formed. ABS softens a little above 105C (221F). In addition, the body panels don't seem to have any sharp edges--looking at them, they seem the ideal shapes for vacuum-forming.
Does anyone know if this was how the originals were made? Has anyone tried making a new panel this way?
?
|
Body panels -- Vaccum forming?
Hi All,
Someone mentioned that they had body panels available (NOS) in another thread, which made me remember this, but I didn't want to hijack the topic with my off-topic idea.
I've been wondering if the body panels were originally vacuum-formed. ABS softens a little above 105C (221F). In addition, the body panels don't seem to have any sharp edges--looking at them, they seem the ideal shapes for vacuum-forming.
Does anyone know if this was how the originals were made? Has anyone tried making a new panel this way?
Thanks! - Jacob Field 1980 Gold ComutaCar
|
if you guys need body panels let me know i have nos panels in stock i do ship my email is christopherbonot@... my ph# is 863-557-4885?
thank you?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Breal justinbreal87@... [C-Car]
To: C-Car
Sent: Mon, Apr 29, 2019 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
Just 3 weeks ago I paid $750 for a really nice one that needed batteries. ?So after that I’m in about $1,500.?
But no telling after I fix all of the breaks.?
I hope I don’t spend over $500.?
?
Mine was 2k running with batteries included, alright shape. Not all orginal and not undamaged. The owner before bought it needing batteries and did not know if it was running but ran when parked for 800. I did not haggle the guy because he was helpful and pleasant for the transaction. I put 5k and about 400 hrs into a rebuild with modern everything and complete new wiring. So I am 7k in and my time. If I was going to sell I would probably get 4k and take a few months to sell it.?
From running into people, they love it, smile, want to sit in it, and look puzzled when they find out what they cost to make it reliable.?
It is a hard market to sell one of these.
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 7:54 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: RE: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
All:
?
While I haven’t had time to update the Price List in about a year, now; I rely on you the owners to let me know how much you sell or buy one for?!? I try to be as accurate as possible but a lot
of those on eBay & Craigs List don’t sell for the asking price..? If you think my numbers are off, let me know what you paid or sold for and I will recalculate.?
I started this list after years of trying to get? Old Cars or any of the other Price Guides to include our C-Car’s but they just continue to ignore our unique little EV’s.?
?
Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
PH: (732)574-0776
?
?
?
Yeah, the price list is pretty accurate for a actual sold price. Mine is worth 15 grand, atleast to me..... insurence would say 4. ?
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 5:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
As a relatively new entrant into the C-Car world, I believe the price list posted is close to accurate. I have wanted a C-Car for years and kept a close eye on them on eBay and locally. The prices shown are close to what I was seeing in the wild, and within
$100 of what I paid for my 1980 model just last year.?
Super cool little cars, so, of course, folks are going to be proud of them and value them as such. That said,? there are two prices, what *you* think it's worth, and what the market deems appropriate. In all things, these numbers rarely
align.
I saw a pristine yellow 1976 with 50 miles on it go for $2.5k just last year. That was a deal but should put things into perspective.?
|
Just 3 weeks ago I paid $750 for a really nice one that needed batteries. ?So after that I’m in about $1,500.? But no telling after I fix all of the breaks.? I hope I don’t spend over $500.?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:02 PM, nicholasgee58 nicholasgee58@... [C-Car] < C-Car@...> wrote:
?
Mine was 2k running with batteries included, alright shape. Not all orginal and not undamaged. The owner before bought it needing batteries and did not know if it was running but ran when parked for 800. I did not haggle the guy because he was helpful and pleasant for the transaction. I put 5k and about 400 hrs into a rebuild with modern everything and complete new wiring. So I am 7k in and my time. If I was going to sell I would probably get 4k and take a few months to sell it.? From running into people, they love it, smile, want to sit in it, and look puzzled when they find out what they cost to make it reliable.? It is a hard market to sell one of these.
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message -------- Date: 4/28/19 7:54 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: RE: [C-Car] Re: What price?
All:
?
While I haven’t had time to update the Price List in about a year, now; I rely on you the owners to let me know how much you sell or buy one for?!? I try to be as accurate as possible but a lot
of those on eBay & Craigs List don’t sell for the asking price.? If you think my numbers are off, let me know what you paid or sold for and I will recalculate.?
I started this list after years of trying to get? Old Cars or any of the other Price Guides to include our C-Car’s but they just continue to ignore our unique little EV’s.?
?
Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
PH: (732)574-0776
?
?
?
Yeah, the price list is pretty accurate for a actual sold price. Mine is worth 15 grand, atleast to me..... insurence would say 4. ?
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 5:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
As a relatively new entrant into the C-Car world, I believe the price list posted is close to accurate. I have wanted a C-Car for years and kept a close eye on them on eBay and locally. The prices shown are close to what I was seeing in the wild, and within
$100 of what I paid for my 1980 model just last year.?
Super cool little cars, so, of course, folks are going to be proud of them and value them as such. That said,? there are two prices, what *you* think it's worth, and what the market deems appropriate. In all things, these numbers rarely
align.
I saw a pristine yellow 1976 with 50 miles on it go for $2.5k just last year. That was a deal but should put things into perspective.?
|
As an owner I wouldn't mind if it was worth more, but I think the list is pretty close. I paid more for mine than the list suggests I should have, by a couple hundred but to me it was desirable enough to buy it anyway. Ive been offered a lot more than I would expect for it, but not ready to sell. I am interested to see what the future holds.?
?
All:
?
While I haven’t had time to update the Price List in about a year, now; I rely on you the owners to let me know how much you sell or buy one for?!? I try to be as accurate as possible but a lot
of those on eBay & Craigs List don’t sell for the asking price.? If you think my numbers are off, let me know what you paid or sold for and I will recalculate.?
I started this list after years of trying to get? Old Cars or any of the other Price Guides to include our C-Car’s but they just continue to ignore our unique little EV’s.?
?
Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
PH: (732)574-0776
?
?
?
Yeah, the price list is pretty accurate for a actual sold price. Mine is worth 15 grand, atleast to me..... insurence would say 4. ?
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 5:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
As a relatively new entrant into the C-Car world, I believe the price list posted is close to accurate. I have wanted a C-Car for years and kept a close eye on them on eBay and locally. The prices shown are close to what I was seeing in the wild, and within
$100 of what I paid for my 1980 model just last year.?
Super cool little cars, so, of course, folks are going to be proud of them and value them as such. That said,? there are two prices, what *you* think it's worth, and what the market deems appropriate. In all things, these numbers rarely
align.
I saw a pristine yellow 1976 with 50 miles on it go for $2.5k just last year. That was a deal but should put things into perspective.?
|
Well put.? Market Value is based on what a buyer gives, not what the seller wants.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
As a relatively new entrant into the C-Car world, I believe the price list posted is close to accurate. I have wanted a C-Car for years and kept a close eye on them on eBay and locally. The prices shown are close to what I was seeing in the wild, and within $100 of what I paid for my 1980 model just last year.?
Super cool little cars, so, of course, folks are going to be proud of them and value them as such. That said,? there are two prices, what *you* think it's worth, and what the market deems appropriate. In all things, these numbers rarely align.
I saw a pristine yellow 1976 with 50 miles on it go for $2.5k just last year. That was a deal but should put things into perspective.?
|
You have to go to the yahoo site and remove your email from the group.?
?
?
Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
PH: (732)574-0776
?
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
From: C-Car@... [mailto:C-Car@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:20 PM
To: C-Car@...
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
?
Can u please take me off email list.dont own this car any more
?
?
Mine was 2k running with batteries included, alright shape. Not all orginal and not undamaged. The owner before bought it needing batteries and did not know if it was running but ran when parked for 800. I did not
haggle the guy because he was helpful and pleasant for the transaction. I put 5k and about 400 hrs into a rebuild with modern everything and complete new wiring. So I am 7k in and my time. If I was going to sell I would probably get 4k and take a few months
to sell it.?
From running into people, they love it, smile, want to sit in it, and look puzzled when they find out what they cost to make it reliable.?
It is a hard market to sell one of these.
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 7:54 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: RE: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
All:
?
While I haven’t had time to update the Price List in about a year, now; I rely on you the owners to let me know how much you sell or buy one for?!? I try to be as accurate as possible but a lot of those on eBay &
Craigs List don’t sell for the asking price..? If you think my numbers are off, let me know what you paid or sold for and I will recalculate.?
I started this list after years of trying to get? Old Cars or any of the other Price Guides to include our C-Car’s but they just continue to ignore our unique little EV’s.?
?
Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
PH: (732)574-0776
?
?
?
Yeah, the price list is pretty accurate for a actual sold price. Mine is worth 15 grand, atleast to me..... insurence would say 4. ?
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 5:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
As a relatively new entrant into the C-Car world, I believe the price list posted is close to accurate. I have wanted a C-Car for years and kept a close eye on them on eBay and locally. The prices shown are close to what I was seeing
in the wild, and within $100 of what I paid for my 1980 model just last year.?
Super cool little cars, so, of course, folks are going to be proud of them and value them as such. That said,? there are two prices, what *you* think it's worth, and what the market deems appropriate. In all things, these numbers rarely align.
I saw a pristine yellow 1976 with 50 miles on it go for $2.5k just last year. That was a deal but should put things into perspective.?
|
Can u please take me off email list.dont own this car any more
?
Mine was 2k running with batteries included, alright shape. Not all orginal and not undamaged. The owner before bought it needing batteries and did not know if it was running but ran when parked for 800. I did not haggle the guy because he was helpful and pleasant for the transaction. I put 5k and about 400 hrs into a rebuild with modern everything and complete new wiring. So I am 7k in and my time. If I was going to sell I would probably get 4k and take a few months to sell it.? From running into people, they love it, smile, want to sit in it, and look puzzled when they find out what they cost to make it reliable.? It is a hard market to sell one of these.
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message -------- Date: 4/28/19 7:54 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: RE: [C-Car] Re: What price?
All:
?
While I haven’t had time to update the Price List in about a year, now; I rely on you the owners to let me know how much you sell or buy one for?!? I try to be as accurate as possible but a lot
of those on eBay & Craigs List don’t sell for the asking price.? If you think my numbers are off, let me know what you paid or sold for and I will recalculate.?
I started this list after years of trying to get? Old Cars or any of the other Price Guides to include our C-Car’s but they just continue to ignore our unique little EV’s.?
?
Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
PH: (732)574-0776
?
?
?
Yeah, the price list is pretty accurate for a actual sold price. Mine is worth 15 grand, atleast to me..... insurence would say 4. ?
Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android Device
-------- Original message --------
Date: 4/28/19 5:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [C-Car] Re: What price?
?
As a relatively new entrant into the C-Car world, I believe the price list posted is close to accurate. I have wanted a C-Car for years and kept a close eye on them on eBay and locally. The prices shown are close to what I was seeing in the wild, and within
$100 of what I paid for my 1980 model just last year.?
Super cool little cars, so, of course, folks are going to be proud of them and value them as such. That said,? there are two prices, what *you* think it's worth, and what the market deems appropriate. In all things, these numbers rarely
align.
I saw a pristine yellow 1976 with 50 miles on it go for $2.5k just last year. That was a deal but should put things into perspective.?
|
Richard Oleson
Peter Crisitello
Tyler