I would be interested in what you decide if you convert to gas.? I have a running citicar here in Syracuse, NY but want to look at all options.? The citicar Community seems very upset at even the notion of converting
to gas.
Thanks,
Mark
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Posible EV Museum Display
All:
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As some of you may remember, I have been looking to set up a deal for some type of Display of our C-Cars & if possible at least one Tropica at a museum somewhere in the country.? While I have
nothing currently planned, I would like to get together a list of owners who might be interested in loaning their vehicles for a limited display at some time in the future!?? One possibility on the horizon is working with a newly form museum to bolster their
foot traffic.? I have a possibility here in NJ with such an entity.? What I would like is a time line display of C-Cars leading to the Tropica [or Zebra if I ever get mine in a more presentable condition].? While the display vehicles do not need to be in running
condition I would like them to look as original as possible.? My 1977 “A” Model would all into this category.?
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The list I would be looking for to contain one of each of the following:
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V-Coupe………...1973 Vanguard Sport Coupe 36V DC
CitiCar…………..1974-1975 SV/36 & /48 36/48V DC ?
CitiCar-R………..1976 1/2 model change w/ no "A" ?
CitiVan………….1977 CitiVan or 1979 Comuta-Van 48V DC ?
CitiCar_A………."A" suffix CitiCar 48V DC ?
Comuta-Car_ A…1979 ?"A" suffix Comuta-Car 48V DC ?
Comuta-Car……..1980 - 82 Comuta-Car 48V DC ?
Comuta-Van…….Postal Comuta-Van 72V DC ?
CVI………………Comuta-Car (1983 Prototype) 60V DC ?
Post Production…Post Production &/or Home built Kits 60V DC ?
Tropica…………..[Tropica production &/or Zebra1 or 2)
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If you would be willing to trailer your vehicle to NJ, I will start the list and use it in my negotiations with the Museum.?
Thank you for your time.? Your questions or comments are welcomed.? ??
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Peter Crisitello
Crisitel@...
181 Villa Place
Rahway, NJ? 07065-2831
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I drove a Citicar for many years, could get 38 miles on a charge carrying a passenger and usually several pounds of stuff. Once I took two adults who needed a ride. That was with heavy lead acid batteries which are becoming obsolete for EV use. Before thinking about ruining the whole concept of the Citicar you might want to look into upgrading to lithium ion batteries, reduced weight with more power. I am attaching an old clipping showing some of my Citicars. They were what I drove in Las Vegas, worked great except in very cold weather. I don't know where you live but if you plan to drive on local streets you likely have to license the car. Since some of the small engines are highly polluting you might not be able to pass emission testing. Also, an ICE would reduce the value of the car if you want to sell it as most buyers want these cars as collectibles as well as for driving. The closer to original the better.
If you want more speed, get a different car. These are scary at anything more than 40 mph, as I discovered going downhill with a tailwind. Not much chance you could safely stop at a higher speed. Brakes are a weak point in these cars, they pull to the side even at slow speeds. Don't forget that these cars do not have new safety features like air bags and are much lighter than most cars on the road. If you crashed in one or were hit at high speed we would not hear from you again.
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On 3/18/2018 12:03 PM, Twongls twongls@... [C-Car] wrote: I agree, what's the point of a gas burner? ?Over 20 mph is really a rough ride, I think one might need to completely redesign the suspension for greater velocity.
FYI I only ever got around 24 mpc on a new battery set, not sure if the high speed gears reduced my mileage, it's pretty hilly around central PA.
The Commutacar makes a good NEV but if your commute is more than 5 miles each way and you dont have a good network of secondary roads in your vicinity, these just aren't going to be practical. ?Instead of wasting time, money and a dwindling resource of cvi vehicles just get a used car and customize it to your heart's content.
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I have a 1975 Citicar electric that I am looking to convert to an
Internal Combustion Engine.? This should greatly increase the
driving range.? The batteries only last about 30 miles round trip.
I saw a guy that lives about an hour away replace his citicar motor
with a gas engine and it runs faster and longer.? I am wondering if
it would be fairly straight forward to replace the electric motor
with either a 16 HP electric start - air cooled lawnmower engine.? I
got a great deal on the brand new lawnmower engine, but was not sure
if heat build-up would limit the run time for an air cooled
horizontal lawnmower engine?
I have not yet done this, so wondering if anyone has suggestions for
greater range.
Would it be better to go buy a water cooled motorcycle to replace
the electric motor?? The car is in good condition, but the range is
still an issue if I want to drive 80 mile round trips.
Thanks in advance if anyone else has tried a swap to a gas engine.
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Conversion to lithium batteries would reduce weight and increase distance.? Kriss Davis Normal IL
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Trailer places, Wally World, Amazon, tire dealers - they are everywhere.
From: "toocool60608@... [C-Car]"
To: C-Car@...
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 10:45 AM
Subject: [C-Car] Re: Comutacar Tires
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The local Walmart should carry or be able to order those tires.
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A Tecumseh motor with a centrifugal clutch to a chain drive like the H.M.V. Freeway. You could drive at traffic speeds and get around 50 mpg. The Freeway was lighter and it got 100 mpg with the?Tecumseh 350 14hp rated motor and could go 65 mph.
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Like someone else said Golf cart running gear. The problem is do they a low golf carts drive on the roads were you live. Palm Desert does not care. Other cities view them as a hazard and can not be used on the roads or sidewalks. A friend got a ticket because he was not going fast enough in his C - EV in Newport Beach. Different cities different rules.??
From: "toocool60608@... [C-Car]"
To: C-Car@...
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 10:46 AM
Subject: [C-Car] Citicar ICE
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I have a 1975 Citicar electric that I am looking to convert to an Internal Combustion Engine.? This should greatly increase the driving range.? The batteries only last about 30 miles round trip.?
I saw a guy that lives about an hour away replace his citicar motor with a gas engine and it runs faster and longer.? I am wondering if it would be fairly straight forward to replace the electric motor with either a 16 HP electric start - air cooled lawnmower engine.? I got a great deal on the brand new lawnmower engine, but was not sure if heat build-up would limit the run time for an air cooled horizontal lawnmower engine?
I have not yet done this, so wondering if anyone has suggestions for greater range.
Would it be better to go buy a water cooled motorcycle to replace the electric motor?? The car is in good condition, but the range is still an issue if I want to drive 80 mile round trips.
Thanks in advance if anyone else has tried a swap to a gas engine.
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On Mar 18, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Twongls twongls@... [C-Car] < C-Car@...> wrote:
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I agree, what's the point of a gas burner? ?Over 20 mph is really a rough ride, I think one might need to completely redesign the suspension for greater velocity.?
FYI I only ever got around 24 mpc on a new battery set, not sure if the high speed gears reduced my mileage, it's pretty hilly around central PA.?
The Commutacar makes a good NEV but if your commute is more than 5 miles each way and you dont have a good network of secondary roads in your vicinity, these just aren't going to be practical. ?Instead of wasting time, money and a dwindling resource of cvi vehicles just get a used car and customize it to your heart's content. ?
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I have a 1975 Citicar electric that I am looking to convert to an Internal Combustion Engine.? This should greatly increase the driving range.? The batteries only last about 30 miles round trip.?
I saw a guy that lives about an hour away replace his citicar motor with a gas engine and it runs faster and longer.? I am wondering if it would be fairly straight forward to replace the electric motor with either a 16 HP electric start - air cooled lawnmower engine.? I got a great deal on the brand new lawnmower engine, but was not sure if heat build-up would limit the run time for an air cooled horizontal lawnmower engine?
I have not yet done this, so wondering if anyone has suggestions for greater range.
Would it be better to go buy a water cooled motorcycle to replace the electric motor?? The car is in good condition, but the range is still an issue if I want to drive 80 mile round trips.
Thanks in advance if anyone else has tried a swap to a gas engine.
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I agree, what's the point of a gas burner? ?Over 20 mph is really a rough ride, I think one might need to completely redesign the suspension for greater velocity.?
FYI I only ever got around 24 mpc on a new battery set, not sure if the high speed gears reduced my mileage, it's pretty hilly around central PA.?
The Commutacar makes a good NEV but if your commute is more than 5 miles each way and you dont have a good network of secondary roads in your vicinity, these just aren't going to be practical. ?Instead of wasting time, money and a dwindling resource of cvi vehicles just get a used car and customize it to your heart's content. ?
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 13:46, toocool60608@... [C-Car] wrote:
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I have a 1975 Citicar electric that I am looking to convert to an Internal Combustion Engine.? This should greatly increase the driving range.? The batteries only last about 30 miles round trip.?
I saw a guy that lives about an hour away replace his citicar motor with a gas engine and it runs faster and longer.? I am wondering if it would be fairly straight forward to replace the electric motor with either a 16 HP electric start - air cooled lawnmower engine.? I got a great deal on the brand new lawnmower engine, but was not sure if heat build-up would limit the run time for an air cooled horizontal lawnmower engine?
I have not yet done this, so wondering if anyone has suggestions for greater range.
Would it be better to go buy a water cooled motorcycle to replace the electric motor?? The car is in good condition, but the range is still an issue if I want to drive 80 mile round trips.
Thanks in advance if anyone else has tried a swap to a gas engine.
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I'd look into swapping the whole rear axle and drivetrain from a golf cart first. It may prove less complicated and cheaper than making anything else fit.?
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Best advice is buy a car with a gas engine already installed. If you do this to a Citi Car you will have lost more than you gain. Driving quality is sorely compromised with speed. Just saying.......Tyler
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On Mar 18, 2018, at 12:43 PM, toocool60608@... [C-Car] < C-Car@...> wrote:
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I have a 1975 Citicar electric that I am looking to convert to an Internal Combustion Engine.? This should greatly increase the driving range.? The batteries only last about 30 miles round trip.?
I saw a guy that lives about an hour away replace his citicar motor with a gas engine and it runs faster and longer.? I am wondering if it would be fairly straight forward to replace the electric motor with either a 16 HP electric start - air cooled lawnmower engine.? I got a great deal on the brand new lawnmower engine, but was not sure if heat build-up would limit the run time for an air cooled horizontal lawnmower engine?
I have not yet done this, so wondering if anyone has suggestions for greater range.
Would it be better to go buy a water cooled motorcycle to replace the electric motor?? The car is in good condition, but the range is still an issue if I want to drive 80 mile round trips.
Thanks in advance if anyone else has tried a swap to a gas engine.
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The local Walmart should carry or be able to order those tires.
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I have a 1975 Citicar electric that I am looking to convert to an Internal Combustion Engine.? This should greatly increase the driving range.? The batteries only last about 30 miles round trip.?
I saw a guy that lives about an hour away replace his citicar motor with a gas engine and it runs faster and longer.? I am wondering if it would be fairly straight forward to replace the electric motor with either a 16 HP electric start - air cooled lawnmower engine.? I got a great deal on the brand new lawnmower engine, but was not sure if heat build-up would limit the run time for an air cooled horizontal lawnmower engine?
I have not yet done this, so wondering if anyone has suggestions for greater range.
Would it be better to go buy a water cooled motorcycle to replace the electric motor?? The car is in good condition, but the range is still an issue if I want to drive 80 mile round trips.
Thanks in advance if anyone else has tried a swap to a gas engine.
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Does anyone know who carries? 135/80R13 or 175/50R13 tires?
Thanks
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Re: Two C-Cars relisted on ebay now
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Re: Two C-Cars relisted on ebay now
And we have another one listed of ebay:
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:52 PM, gordonldooley@... [C-Car] <C-Car@...> wrote:
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I am Gordon Dooley. In California. I have a comuta car and a citi car both updated with solid state controllers and new chargers. I have two tropica cars and a zebra tropica. I am done. All batteries dead. Too old to play anymore. Will sell for great prices. Like less than half what I put in them. Probably more tropica cars here than anywhere in the world. Retired. No shipping. 949 497 6123
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To: c-car <c-car@...>; c-car <c-car@...>
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Two C-Cars relisted on ebay now
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Gordon Dooley Tropica's For Sale.
Gordon:
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It was good talking with you about your Tropica’s.? I checked my files and I do have you listed for both Tropica #8, & #13.? However, what is the Zebra Z-Car
you have?? I think you mentioned the name of Steve Condie, and I did have him listed as the owner of one of the un serial numbered Frame Only Tropica vehicles that was rebodied by panels made by
John Neiswanger, not Zebra.? If this is the one you have I list it as 4HRAA11P7SA000101; Please confirm this.? I do not have any pictures of this #101, though.? ??
Each attached picture to this email is from my files of
#08 & #13 and I have their Serial numbers [that I have] as the Picture Name.?
If you can see these pictures on your I-Phone or ANDROID, then you should be able to attack your pictures by using the dropdown menu for attach file to send
a new picture, when you hit reply, I am told.
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My Zebra #1 is up in northern CA at John Neiswanger’s shop.? Let me know if this email gets through to you.?
Also, if possible can you send me the serial numbers of the CitiCar and Comuta-Car you have For Sale,
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Thanks.?
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I am Gordon Dooley. In California. I have a comuta car and a citi car both updated with solid state controllers and new chargers. I have two tropica
cars and a zebra tropica. I am done. All batteries dead. Too old to play anymore. Will sell for great prices. Like less than half what I put in them. Probably more tropica cars here than anywhere in the world. Retired. No shipping.
949 497 6123
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Re: Two C-Cars relisted on ebay now
Where are you located in California?? Looks like a LA? number. These days it is hard to tell with cell phones.
From: "gordonldooley@... [C-Car]"
To: C-Car@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Two C-Cars relisted on ebay now
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I am Gordon Dooley. In California. I have a comuta car and a citi car both updated with solid state controllers and new chargers. I have two tropica cars and a zebra tropica. I am done. All batteries dead. Too old to play anymore. Will sell for great prices. Like less than half what I put in them. Probably more tropica cars here than anywhere in the world. Retired. No shipping. 949 497 6123
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To: c-car
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [C-Car] Two C-Cars relisted on ebay now
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Hello-
I don't know how much crossover there would be between folks in this group and watchers of Simone Giertz on YouTube, but it appears she has bought herself a yellow C-car named Louise and it features in her latest video.
It's at?or just punch QDSEpjjavhY into their search box.
Richard Schauer 1980 Comutacar #383
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Peter Crisitello
Tyler
