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WhitePages (WP): Is type Bulletin a requirement?

 

Do WP updates update my lookup tables if sent as type 'P' messages?

I am getting WhitePage updates as type 'B' bulletin.
This enlarges the list for users when they connect and issue a 'L' command.
I assume that users are not interested in WP updates.

73,
Chuck
 

The White Pages database on the various packet systems is intended to
be used by the software to know where any one station is. It was never
intended to be used as a general bulletin to all users. Proper routing
of a WP message is as a private message to only the forwarding partners
of that system. If properly configured, your forwarding partner's system
will incorporate that information into it's private WP messages to their
forwarding partner systems. The bbs software knows what to do with the
private WP messages behind the scenes and will not clog up the list of
bulletins for your users. That is how I have been using WP on my JNOS
system since the late 90s and it has worked well.

On 4/27/2022 6:16 AM, Chuck Gelm wrote:
Do WP updates update my lookup tables if sent as type 'P' messages?
I am getting WhitePage updates as type 'B' bulletin.
This enlarges the list for users when they connect and issue a 'L' command.
I assume that users are not interested in WP updates.
73,
Chuck
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Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.

NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL
ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM


NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM
on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32

"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped
by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan

"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus

"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying
(The work praises the man.)

"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it
provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
 

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On 4/27/22 06:51, Charles Hargrove wrote:
The White Pages database on the various packet systems is intended to
be used by the software to know where any one station is. It was never
intended to be used as a general bulletin to all users. Proper routing
of a WP message is as a private message to only the forwarding partners
of that system. If properly configured, your forwarding partner's system
will incorporate that information into it's private WP messages to their
forwarding partner systems. The bbs software knows what to do with the
private WP messages behind the scenes and will not clog up the list of
bulletins for your users. That is how I have been using WP on my JNOS
system since the late 90s and it has worked well.

On 4/27/2022 6:16 AM, Chuck Gelm wrote:
Do WP updates update my lookup tables if sent as type 'P' messages?

I am getting WhitePage updates as type 'B' bulletin.
This enlarges the list for users when they connect and issue a 'L' command.
I assume that users are not interested in WP updates.

73,
Chuck

Hi, Charles:

?Well spoken. I did WPs like that back in 1989-2000.

Thanks, Chuck


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Chuck

Set the Mail Server WP Update to
Send WP Updates
Type P
Reject WP BULLS

Add in the Send WP Window some of your Partners WP@BBS the WP'S will populate over time
Yes WP Bulls will clog up the BBS

73

Mike Melnik-N9PMO
BPQ32 Group Moderator
 

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On 4/28/22 17:19, Mike Melnik wrote:
Chuck

Set the Mail Server WP Update to
Send WP Updates
Type P
Reject WP BULLS

Add in the Send WP Window some of your Partners WP@BBS the WP'S will populate over time
Yes WP Bulls will clog up the BBS

73

Mike Melnik-N9PMO
BPQ32 Group Moderator

Hi, Mike:

?Where do I put 'BULLS' ?

reject wp bulls

73, Chuck
 

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Chuck
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I sent a PNG for the Configuration/WP Update direct to your Email.
73

Mike Melnik-N9PMO
BPQ32 Group Moderator

 

Sorry to resurrect an old message, but there still seems to be those who
do not know how to properly set up their Whitepages (WP) part of BPQ. They
send them out as bulletins or receive properly addressed WP to their bbs
call and drop them into the general mail list instead of quietly placing
it into their WP database. No user should ever see a WP message when they
ask for a list on the bbs. I have been trying to find complete documentation
on this, but I only find small bits or old messages on the mailing list.
Can someone blast out the complete logic, instructions and settings for
both outgoing WP messages to a partner bbs and how to handle the incoming
WP messages for the WP database? Some sysops are giving up on this and they
tell their forwarding partners not to send them any WP messages at all.

On 4/28/2022 5:19 PM, Mike Melnik wrote:
Chuck
Set the Mail Server WP Update to
Send WP Updates
Type P
Reject WP BULLS
Add in the Send WP Window some of your Partners WP@BBS the WP'S will populate over time
Yes WP Bulls will clog up the BBS
73
Mike Melnik-N9PMO
BPQ32 Group Moderator
--
Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.

NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 441.100/136.5 PL
ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM


NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM
on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32

"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped
by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan

"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus

"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying
(The work praises the man.)

"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it
provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
 

First, every message, whether personal or bulletin, could potentially add to or update White Pages.
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In the old days Bulletins were the way to send them. Perhaps some BBS programs sill do. That should no longer be the case. In BPQ WP updates should be sent as P type messages.
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If you only send WP messages to your forwarding partners, and send them as P type messages then BPQ will process them and silently kill them.
Address WP destinations as WP @ call and do not include the full HA
As a backup measure be sure every forwarding partner has their call in the AT CALLS of their forwarding record.
Set your node to reject B type messages.
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You still see P type WP messages being forwarded around looking for the destination...
This problem occurs mostly today when a BBS loses a forwarding partner and the WP message will pick up the HA from their WP and send it pursuant to the existing forwarding rules at the time.? That results in multiple hops and it my never find a destination, if that user has ceased operating a BBS.? Good operating practices are, when losing a forwarding partner, you not only remove the MAP line, but also remove the user or at least uncheck that he is a BBS, AND remove the WP destination entry for that user.? Many forget to do that.? I am guilty of it myself although I do occasionally check to be sure my WP destinations are still forwarding partners.
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And that is how some P type WP still get forwarded around using the HA.
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Great tutorial, Mark! Tnx for that.
73 de Chris ww2bsa?

-------- Original message --------
From: Mark Taylor <mtaylor@...>
Date: 9/21/24 9:34 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [bpq32] WhitePages (WP): Is type Bulletin a requirement?

First, every message, whether personal or bulletin, could potentially add to or update White Pages.
?
In the old days Bulletins were the way to send them. Perhaps some BBS programs sill do. That should no longer be the case. In BPQ WP updates should be sent as P type messages.
?
If you only send WP messages to your forwarding partners, and send them as P type messages then BPQ will process them and silently kill them.
Address WP destinations as WP @ call and do not include the full HA
As a backup measure be sure every forwarding partner has their call in the AT CALLS of their forwarding record.
Set your node to reject B type messages.
?
You still see P type WP messages being forwarded around looking for the destination...
This problem occurs mostly today when a BBS loses a forwarding partner and the WP message will pick up the HA from their WP and send it pursuant to the existing forwarding rules at the time.? That results in multiple hops and it my never find a destination, if that user has ceased operating a BBS.? Good operating practices are, when losing a forwarding partner, you not only remove the MAP line, but also remove the user or at least uncheck that he is a BBS, AND remove the WP destination entry for that user.? Many forget to do that.? I am guilty of it myself although I do occasionally check to be sure my WP destinations are still forwarding partners.
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And that is how some P type WP still get forwarded around using the HA.
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