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Thanks to Lee & Mark,

It appears that my forwarding is now working correctly. It's too bad it took me so long to realize I had a problem.

73 de Ron VE3CGR

That could be useful. If not too difficult I'll add it.

73
John

On 25/04/2025 16:11, N9SEO via groups.io wrote:

Is it possible to add in the BBS command UI a tool to report which systems DEST@DIST will go to? Often I have had to debug this by disabling forwarding to all my peers, send a test message and check logs. But admittedly, if there was a more interactive tool we can use to pre-test this, it may help save confusion later on, and perhaps make troubleshooting for seasoned or beginners alike easier.

For clarity even if it was similar to :

BBS> CheckAddr WX@USA

250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Msg 40336 Routing Trace To WX Via USA
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace Type B TO WX VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null)
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3AMJ Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BAL Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BBS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA7RBP Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1LG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1MPF Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2JOS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2PKT Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2YAG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3CLG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3KPG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3MUS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3QBZ Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3TOK Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE4KLM Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE6NAS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7YSF Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VY2XU Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Best Match is VA3AMJ

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That could be useful. If not too difficult I'll add it.

73
John

Is it possible to add in the BBS command UI a tool to report which systems DEST@DIST will go to? Often I have had to debug this by disabling forwarding to all my peers, send a test message and check logs. But admittedly, if there was a more interactive tool we can use to pre-test this, it may help save confusion later on, and perhaps make troubleshooting for seasoned or beginners alike easier.

For clarity even if it was similar to :

BBS> CheckAddr WX@USA

250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Msg 40336 Routing Trace To WX Via USA
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace Type B TO WX VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null)
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3AMJ Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BAL Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BBS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA7RBP Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1LG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1MPF Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2JOS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2PKT Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2YAG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3CLG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3KPG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3MUS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3QBZ Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3TOK Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE4KLM Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE6NAS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7YSF Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VY2XU Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1    Routing Trace HR Best Match is VA3AMJ

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Although USA in a message address will expand to USA.NA.WW the same is not true of the entries in Hierarchical Routes fields in the forwarding record. These should always be a full HA, though you can omit a trailing WW, you can have NOAM.WW or NOAM, USA.NOAM.WW or USA.NOAM. Just USA or CAN won't work.

BPQ can work with either 2 or 4 char continent codes, selectable in the forwarding records. If using 2 char codes (the default) NOAM is converted to NA before the matching process is run.

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Hi Mark,

I have adjusted all partners. There are no WW in any of my Canadian partners. I have USA in all my US partners. Yet it still routing USA to a Canadian partner.

250425 09:21:18 <WG0A-1??? [BPQ-6.0.24.69-B1FIHJM$]
250425 09:21:18 <WG0A-1??? FA B KF5JRV USA WX 7223_KF5JRV 5455
250425 09:21:18 <WG0A-1??? F> 62
250425 09:21:18 >WG0A-1??? FS +
250425 09:21:20 |WG0A-1??? Uncompressing Message Comp Len 2413 Msg Len 5455 CRC 247f
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Msg 40336 Routing Trace To WX Via USA
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace Type B TO WX VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null)
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3AMJ Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BAL Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BBS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA7RBP Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1LG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1MPF Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2JOS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2PKT Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2YAG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3CLG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3KPG Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3MUS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3QBZ Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3TOK Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE4KLM Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE6NAS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7YSF Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VY2XU Depth 2
250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Best Match is VA3AMJ
250425 09:21:20 >WG0A-1??? FF





Thanks,
Ron

Ok, USA would be better on the right side since a @USA would be a directed bull.

WW and NOAM is good on the left since they are both flood bulls.

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USBBS is not a hierarchical route and would work better in the global alias' and shown as USBBS:USA

When BPQ then see @USBBS it will forward it as @USA

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Remember that your goal is to get it to one station in @USA and let that station forward as a flood bull to all of his USA partners.

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Montgomery, Texas

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Hi Ron.

Yes, that is true as WW can include all bulletins.

Bob VE3TOK

Hi Bob,

I had "bc.can.noam" and WW along with a couple more. What I didn't realize is that WW = USA.

Based on Mark's recommendations I think I'm getting closer to a correct config. Waiting for the next @USA bull to see what happens.

Ron VE3CGR

On 2025-04-24 9:32 p.m., Boudewijn (Bob) Tenty VE3TOK via groups.io wrote:

What I do here is to give as much information as possible for directed (personal) bulletins so 'bc.can.noam' as in that way there is no mix up with other areas called bc somewhere on the planet I'm not aware of.

73,

Boudewijn VE3TOK

On 4/24/25 19:19, Mark Taylor wrote:

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 05:58 PM, Ron Gibson wrote:

Even thought the bull is @USA ?

Since you are in CAN and the bull is @USA it is a directed bull.? In fact, I think you should remove NOAM and CAN as well. Both of those are flood bulls to both you and he, and would have no place there.? The BC would be appropriate.

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Montgomery, Texas

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Hi Bob,

I had "bc.can.noam" and WW along with a couple more. What I didn't realize is that WW = USA.

Based on Mark's recommendations I think I'm getting closer to a correct config. Waiting for the next @USA bull to see what happens.

Ron VE3CGR

What I do here is to give as much information as possible for directed (personal) bulletins so 'bc.can.noam' as in that way there is no mix up with other areas called bc somewhere on the planet I'm not aware of.

73,

Boudewijn VE3TOK

On 4/24/25 19:19, Mark Taylor wrote:

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 05:58 PM, Ron Gibson wrote:

Even thought the bull is @USA ?

Since you are in CAN and the bull is @USA it is a directed bull.? In fact, I think you should remove NOAM and CAN as well. Both of those are flood bulls to both you and he, and would have no place there.? The BC would be appropriate.

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Mark, N5MDT

Montgomery, Texas

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What I do here is to give as much information as possible for directed (personal) bulletins so 'bc.can.noam' as in that way there is no mix up with other areas called bc somewhere on the planet I'm not aware of.

73,

Boudewijn VE3TOK

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 05:58 PM, Ron Gibson wrote:

Even thought the bull is @USA ?

Since you are in CAN and the bull is @USA it is a directed bull.? In fact, I think you should remove NOAM and CAN as well. Both of those are flood bulls to both you and he, and would have no place there.? The BC would be appropriate.

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Montgomery, Texas

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I appreciate all your help! I'll adjust all my US partners as suggested. Here's my list of aliases. Any suggestions are welcome.

AMSAT:NOAM
ARL:NOAM
ARRL:NOAM
EURO:EU
ALL:WW
NA:NOAM
ALLUS:USA
USBBS:USA

Ok, USA would be better on the right side since a @USA would be a directed bull.

WW and NOAM is good on the left since they are both flood bulls.

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USBBS is not a hierarchical route and would work better in the global alias' and shown as USBBS:USA

When BPQ then see @USBBS it will forward it as @USA

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Remember that your goal is to get it to one station in @USA and let that station forward as a flood bull to all of his USA partners.

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Mark, N5MDT

Montgomery, Texas

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Here's yours. I didn't realize that only one partner would get one.

Show an example of a forwarding record of a USA partner.? Remember that generally, a directed bull will be sent to one, and only one of the matches.? So only the best match will receive the directed bull.? If more than one match to the same depth then the first will likely be the one fo get it.

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All of your USA partners should have a USA in the Directed Bull forwarding area, but only one will receive it.

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I removed WW from all my Canadian partners. Very odd result. Not sent to any US partners.

250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Msg 40185 Routing Trace To TEST Via USA
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace Type B TO TEST VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null)
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3AMJ Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BAL Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BBS Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA7RBP Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1LG Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1MPF Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2JOS Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2PKT Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2YAG Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3CLG Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3KPG Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3MUS Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3QBZ Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3TOK Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE4KLM Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE6NAS Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7YSF Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VY2XU Depth 2
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Best Match is VA3AMJ
250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Msg 40186 Routing Trace To PKTNET Via USA

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Even thought the bull is @USA ?

OK, I'll remove the WW and see what happens with the next @USA bull.

It is a directed bull and will therefore be forwarded using the HR (Personal and Directed Bull) routing where you have a WW.

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Remove the WW.

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Mark, N5MDT

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