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开云体育I need some help figuring this out. Here's one example of a USA bulletin that for some reason is being forwarded to one of my Canadian partners. And their not being forwarded to any of my US partners that have USA in the Flood Bulls and Directed Bulls sections.250424 01:16:31 <WG0A-1??? [BPQ-6.0.24.69-B1FIHJM$] 250424 01:16:31 <WG0A-1??? FA B W6TJ USA TEST SV7753_W6TJ 964 250424 01:16:31 <WG0A-1??? F> 6A 250424 01:16:31 >WG0A-1??? FS + 250424 01:16:32 |WG0A-1??? Uncompressing Message Comp Len 529 Msg Len 964 CRC 39a8 250424 01:16:32 ?WG0A-1??? Msg 40185 Routing Trace To TEST Via USA 250424 01:16:32 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM 250424 01:16:32 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace Type B TO TEST VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null) 250424 01:16:32 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2 250424 01:16:32 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Best Match is VE7ASS 250424 01:16:32 >WG0A-1??? FF 250424 01:16:33 <WG0A-1??? FQ 250424 01:16:33 |WG0A-1??? WG0A-1 Disconnected Here's what I have in his forwarding: 73 de Ron VE3CGR |
开云体育Even thought the bull is @USA ?OK, I'll remove the WW and see what happens with the next @USA bull. On 2025-04-24 6:55 p.m., Mark Taylor
via groups.io wrote:
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开云体育I removed WW from all my Canadian partners. Very odd result. Not sent to any US partners.250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Msg 40185 Routing Trace To TEST Via USA 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace Type B TO TEST VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null) 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3AMJ Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BAL Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BBS Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA7RBP Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1LG Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1MPF Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2JOS Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2PKT Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2YAG Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3CLG Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3KPG Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3MUS Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3QBZ Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3TOK Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE4KLM Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE6NAS Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7YSF Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VY2XU Depth 2 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Routing Trace HR Best Match is VA3AMJ 250424 23:11:22 ?????????? Msg 40186 Routing Trace To PKTNET Via USA On 2025-04-24 6:58 p.m., Ron Gibson via
groups.io wrote:
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 05:58 PM, Ron Gibson wrote:
Even thought the bull is @USA ? Since you are in CAN and the bull is @USA it is a directed bull.? In fact, I think you should remove NOAM and CAN as well. Both of those are flood bulls to both you and he, and would have no place there.? The BC would be appropriate.
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Mark, N5MDT
Montgomery, Texas
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Show an example of a forwarding record of a USA partner.? Remember that generally, a directed bull will be sent to one, and only one of the matches.? So only the best match will receive the directed bull.? If more than one match to the same depth then the first will likely be the one fo get it.
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All of your USA partners should have a USA in the Directed Bull forwarding area, but only one will receive it.
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Mark, N5MDT
Montgomery, Texas
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开云体育Here's yours. I didn't realize that only one partner would get one.On 2025-04-24 7:32 p.m., Mark Taylor
via groups.io wrote:
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Ok, USA would be better on the right side since a @USA would be a directed bull.
WW and NOAM is good on the left since they are both flood bulls.
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USBBS is not a hierarchical route and would work better in the global alias' and shown as USBBS:USA
When BPQ then see @USBBS it will forward it as @USA
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Remember that your goal is to get it to one station in @USA and let that station forward as a flood bull to all of his USA partners.
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73,
Mark, N5MDT
Montgomery, Texas
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开云体育I appreciate all your help! I'll adjust all my US partners as suggested. Here's my list of aliases. Any suggestions are welcome.AMSAT:NOAM ARL:NOAM ARRL:NOAM EURO:EU ALL:WW NA:NOAM ALLUS:USA USBBS:USA On 2025-04-24 7:49 p.m., Mark Taylor
via groups.io wrote:
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开云体育What I do here is to give as much information as possible for
directed (personal) bulletins so 'bc.can.noam' as in that way
there is no mix up with other areas called bc somewhere on the
planet I'm not aware of.
73, Boudewijn VE3TOK
On 4/24/25 19:19, Mark Taylor wrote:
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开云体育Hi Bob,I had "bc.can.noam" and WW along with a couple more. What I didn't realize is that WW = USA. Based on Mark's recommendations I think I'm getting closer to a correct config. Waiting for the next @USA bull to see what happens. Ron VE3CGR On 2025-04-24 9:32 p.m., Boudewijn
(Bob) Tenty VE3TOK via groups.io wrote:
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开云体育Hi Ron. Yes, that is true as WW can include all bulletins. Bob VE3TOK On 4/24/25 21:40, Ron Gibson via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Bob, -- There is nothing permanent except change Heraclitus |
开云体育Hi Mark,I have adjusted all partners. There are no WW in any of my Canadian partners. I have USA in all my US partners. Yet it still routing USA to a Canadian partner. 250425 09:21:18 <WG0A-1??? [BPQ-6.0.24.69-B1FIHJM$] 250425 09:21:18 <WG0A-1??? FA B KF5JRV USA WX 7223_KF5JRV 5455 250425 09:21:18 <WG0A-1??? F> 62 250425 09:21:18 >WG0A-1??? FS + 250425 09:21:20 |WG0A-1??? Uncompressing Message Comp Len 2413 Msg Len 5455 CRC 247f 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Msg 40336 Routing Trace To WX Via USA 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace. Check if reached correct area My HA is #SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace Type B TO WX VIA USA Route On WW NA USA (null) (null) 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3AMJ Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BAL Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA3BBS Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VA7RBP Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1LG Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE1MPF Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2JOS Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2PKT Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE2YAG Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3CLG Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3KPG Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3MUS Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3QBZ Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE3TOK Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE4KLM Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE6NAS Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7ASS Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VE7YSF Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS VY2XU Depth 2 250425 09:21:20 ?WG0A-1??? Routing Trace HR Best Match is VA3AMJ 250425 09:21:20 >WG0A-1??? FF Thanks, Ron On 2025-04-24 7:49 p.m., Mark Taylor
via groups.io wrote:
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The log shows it is routing on depth 2.? I believe that is NA. NA, or NOAM, is a flood bull and not a directed bull to all Canadian stations.? Therefore it does not go into any Canadian stations Personal or Directed Bull routes.
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And instead of just USA in there try to always use USA.NOAM for clarity, although I think BPQ does route on just the USA.
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Mark, N5MDT
Montgomery, Texas
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In the personals/directed bulls area I've always used either or USA.NOAM. I seem to recall that "USA" by itself will not work there. So I would try USA.NOAM in that field in the forwarding record for N5MDT, i.e. I agree with Mark on that. 73, Lee K5DAT On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 6:26?AM Mark Taylor via <mtaylor=[email protected]> wrote:
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Thanks Lee & Mark. I'll give that a try. Ron On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 8:17?AM Lee Bengston via <kilo5dat=[email protected]> wrote:
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开云体育Although USA in a message address will expand to USA.NA.WW the same is not true of the entries in Hierarchical Routes fields in the forwarding record. These should always be a full HA, though you can omit a trailing WW, you can have NOAM.WW or NOAM, USA.NOAM.WW or USA.NOAM. Just USA or CAN won't work.BPQ can work with either 2 or 4 char continent codes, selectable in the forwarding records. If using 2 char codes (the default) NOAM is converted to NA before the matching process is run. 73, John ? ? On 25/04/2025 12:07, Ron Gibson via
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Is it possible to add in the BBS command UI a tool to report which systems DEST@DIST will go to? Often I have had to debug this by disabling forwarding to all my peers, send a test message and check logs. But admittedly, if there was a more interactive tool we can use to pre-test this, it may help save confusion later on, and perhaps make troubleshooting for seasoned or beginners alike easier. For clarity even if it was similar to :
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On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:11 AM, N9SEO wrote:
BBS> CheckAddr WX@USA Should I need to test the forwarding of a message this is what I do...
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I do not have Send Messages without waiting for poll timer checked... This is important.
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Format and send the message.
Immediately go to Mail Mgmt, Messages.? It will show you all that it is queued to.
Change Status to Hold and Save.
Now you can take your time, look at the log, then either kill the message or change the status so it will actually forward at the expiration of the poll timer.
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Very seldom is the poll timer for any station so close to posting the message that it sends before I can change the status.? If it does, so what?? It's likely only 1 or 2 stations that would get the message.
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Mark, N5MDT
Montgomery, Texas
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开云体育That could be useful. If not too difficult I'll add it.73 John On 25/04/2025 16:11, N9SEO via
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