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Meteor Detection using a Raspberry Pi


 

Hi All,

I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.


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The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.


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Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).


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Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.


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Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)


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Thanks,

Simon.


 

Hello?

I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?




I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?

If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?




Kind Regards

Miss Tracey Snelus?



On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 12:21, SIMON via <simon.dawes=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi All,

I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.


?

The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.


?

Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).


?

Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.


?

Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)


?

Thanks,

Simon.


 

Thanks for the info Tracey, I'll investigate, it sounds promising:-) our visual meteor station is PC based and an old video camera, at some point we will rebuild this, but whilst it is working it is best left alone I think:-)

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On 15 May 2024, at 12:37, Tracey Snelus <tsnelus@...> wrote:

Hello?

I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?




I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?

If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?




Kind Regards

Miss Tracey Snelus?



On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 12:21, SIMON via <simon.dawes=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi All,

I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.


?

The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.


?

Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).


?

Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.


?

Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)


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Thanks,

Simon.


 

For the video capture I fully recommend looking at the GMN pi based solution as it is pretty well automated, maintained and feeds into the global network so very well worth considering.?



Kind Regards

Miss Tracey Snelus?



On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 13:39, SIMON via <simon.dawes=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for the info Tracey, I'll investigate, it sounds promising:-) our visual meteor station is PC based and an old video camera, at some point we will rebuild this, but whilst it is working it is best left alone I think:-)

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On 15 May 2024, at 12:37, Tracey Snelus <tsnelus@...> wrote:
Hello?

I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?




I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?

If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?




Kind Regards

Miss Tracey Snelus?



On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 12:21, SIMON via <simon.dawes=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi All,

I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.


?

The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.


?

Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).


?

Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.


?

Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)


?

Thanks,

Simon.


 

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Hello Simon

Yes take a look at ukmeteorbeacon.org.? The live stream is supplied by receivers based on the SDR play RSPdx and a Raspberry Pi.? You'll find a block diagram On the Observing GB3MBA pages. The hardware and software is based on the BATC Portsdown see . All software is intended to be open source so you should not have to re-invent the wheel. Currently we are streaming 4 or 5 receivers to but a local display on a touch screen is also available. I'm not the best person to provide more detail but if you contact me direct I'll put you in touch with more help. The receivers in our network are based on the RSPdx as this has better performance than the cheap dongles and has the facility to lock it to a precision frequency reference which means we can make precision Doppler measurements .

All the best

Brian

On 15/05/2024 12:14, SIMON via groups.io wrote:

Hi All,

I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.


?

The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.


?

Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).


?

Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.


?

Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)


?

Thanks,

Simon.


 

Thanks for all the reading material, I have a bit to digest before I ask for more help, but thanks for the offer Brian. :-)


Graham
 

Paul Nicholson ( in the UK ) has created a very capable set of tools called vlfrx-tools which run quite nicely on old PC's and Raspberry Pi's.

Don't let the VLF of vlfrx-tools fool you - these tools can be thought of general purpose building blocks. Once you have created an audio output from a receiver these tools can then process that audio using a sound card as input.

While the general focus is on VLF, ?he also monitors for meteors ?? ( as a start ).? ?

Paul frequents the groups.io? VLF group /g/VLF/topics and quickly answers questions on his tools. He may be active in other groups including this one but couldn't say for certain.?

Something to consider if you are comfortable with command line apps and linux. It is always nice to have options.?

I have no first hand experience using vlfrx-tools for meteor detection however.?

cheers, Graham


 

To All,

During my review of the BATC website I found this page:??

I hope to get this version running on my equipment soon.

Regards,

Charley

On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 6:52?AM Graham via <colonelkrypton=[email protected]> wrote:
Paul Nicholson ( in the UK ) has created a very capable set of tools called vlfrx-tools which run quite nicely on old PC's and Raspberry Pi's.

Don't let the VLF of vlfrx-tools fool you - these tools can be thought of general purpose building blocks. Once you have created an audio output from a receiver these tools can then process that audio using a sound card as input.

While the general focus is on VLF, ?he also monitors for meteors ?? ( as a start ).? ?

Paul frequents the ? VLF group /g/VLF/topics and quickly answers questions on his tools. He may be active in other groups including this one but couldn't say for certain.?

Something to consider if you are comfortable with command line apps and linux. It is always nice to have options.?

I have no first hand experience using vlfrx-tools for meteor detection however.?

cheers, Graham


 

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Hello Tracy
Thanks for your notes and links on Radio meteor detection. I note that the various references relate to using the Graves radar system which is located near Dijon. Many of us will have started our meteor observations using Graves.
Graves has a switched beam that scans from from East, through South to West so is designed to cover those directions from Dijon. Graves runs very high power so it does provide some coverage to the north by one mechanism or another including radiation from the back of the beam ( although that description is not strictly accurate) or, possibly by tropospheric back scatter. This means its coverage to the North is variable and not clearly defined.
The UK meteor beacon, located at the Sherwood Observatory of the Mansfield and Sutton Astronomical Society, provides coverage for the known region above the UK and I would encourage all with a serious interest in radio detection of meteors over the UK and perhaps coordination with the UKMON optical system to make use of it. More details can be found at .
All the best Brian

On 15/05/2024 12:37, Tracey Snelus wrote:
Hello?

I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?




I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?

If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?




Kind Regards

Miss Tracey Snelus?



On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 12:21, SIMON via <simon.dawes=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi All,

I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.


?

The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.


?

Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).


?

Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.


?

Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)


?

Thanks,

Simon.