Hi All, I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here. ?
The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere. ?
Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux). ?
Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes. ?
Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-) ?
Thanks, Simon.
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Hello?
I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?
I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?
If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?
Kind Regards
Miss Tracey Snelus?
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Hi All, I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here. ?
The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere. ?
Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux). ?
Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes. ?
Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-) ?
Thanks, Simon.
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Thanks for the info Tracey, I'll investigate, it sounds promising:-) our visual meteor station is PC based and an old video camera, at some point we will rebuild this, but whilst it is working it is best left alone I think:-)
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On 15 May 2024, at 12:37, Tracey Snelus < tsnelus@...> wrote:
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Hello?
I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?
I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?
If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?
Kind Regards
Miss Tracey Snelus?
Hi All,
I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.
?
The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.
?
Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).
?
Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.
?
Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)
?
Thanks,
Simon.
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For the video capture I fully recommend looking at the GMN pi based solution as it is pretty well automated, maintained and feeds into the global network so very well worth considering.?
Kind Regards
Miss Tracey Snelus?
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Thanks for the info Tracey, I'll investigate, it sounds promising:-) our visual meteor station is PC based and an old video camera, at some point we will rebuild this, but whilst it is working it is best left alone I think:-)
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On 15 May 2024, at 12:37, Tracey Snelus < tsnelus@...> wrote:
Hello?
I believe that people are already successfully detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi. I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?
I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks achievable.?
If you were also considering using pi for meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor network are already very successfully running a pi based solution.?
Kind Regards
Miss Tracey Snelus?
Hi All,
I had a brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post here.
?
The last time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here ) with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.
?
Since then, USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop is Linux).
?
Anyway - I¡¯m now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so members can share any post processing/collation for reporting purposes.
?
Do you know if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)
?
Thanks,
Simon.
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Hello Simon
Yes take a look at ukmeteorbeacon.org.? The live stream is
supplied by receivers based on the SDR play RSPdx and a Raspberry
Pi.? You'll find a block diagram On the Observing GB3MBA pages.
The hardware and software is based on the BATC Portsdown see
.
All software is intended to be open source so you should not have
to re-invent the wheel. Currently we are streaming 4 or 5
receivers to but a local
display on a touch screen is also available. I'm not the best
person to provide more detail but if you contact me direct I'll
put you in touch with more help. The receivers in our network are
based on the RSPdx as this has better performance than the cheap
dongles and has the facility to lock it to a precision frequency
reference which means we can make precision Doppler measurements .
All the best
Brian
On 15/05/2024 12:14, SIMON via
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Hi All,
I had a brief
conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester Weekend about
the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi, SDR dongle and
appropriate software to detect meteors, he suggested I post
here.
?
The last time I did
meteor detection I was using a custom script I¡¯d created in
SpectrumLab (see here )
with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I had
investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were pretty new, x86
software wasn¡¯t compatible and the project didn¡¯t go anywhere.
?
Since then, USB SDR
Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are now on version 5
and the Pi 5 is significantly more powerful than the Win 98
Laptop I was using, has more memory, faster disk and network
access etc. Windows has also come to ARM, I believe there is a
Just in Time (JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on
the fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no experience
of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge amount so there
might even be a mature Linux software solution (my main Laptop
is Linux).
?
Anyway - I¡¯m now
thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector to
compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro Society
(Crayford) already runs. The concept is a Raspberry Pi, USB SDR,
and appropriate software. I¡¯d save the files to a NAS with
remote cloud access so members can share any post
processing/collation for reporting purposes.
?
Do you know if
anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a Raspberry
Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m also interested
in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible Analysis Software (like
Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know this is possible because I don¡¯t
want to reinvent the wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my
societies cash finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)
?
Thanks,
Simon.
|
Thanks for all the reading material, I have a bit to digest before I ask for more help, but thanks for the offer Brian. :-)
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Paul Nicholson ( in the UK ) has created a very capable set of tools called vlfrx-tools which run quite nicely on old PC's and Raspberry Pi's. Don't let the VLF of vlfrx-tools fool you - these tools can be thought of general purpose building blocks. Once you have created an audio output from a receiver these tools can then process that audio using a sound card as input. While the general focus is on VLF, ?he also monitors for meteors ?? ( as a start ).? ? Paul frequents the groups.io? VLF group /g/VLF/topics and quickly answers questions on his tools. He may be active in other groups including this one but couldn't say for certain.? Something to consider if you are comfortable with command line apps and linux. It is always nice to have options.? I have no first hand experience using vlfrx-tools for meteor detection however.? cheers, Graham
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To All,
During my review of the BATC website I found this page:??
I hope to get this version running on my equipment soon.
Regards,
Charley
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Paul Nicholson ( in the UK ) has created a very capable set of tools called vlfrx-tools which run quite nicely on old PC's and Raspberry Pi's.
Don't let the VLF of vlfrx-tools fool you - these tools can be thought of general purpose building blocks. Once you have created an audio output from a receiver these tools can then process that audio using a sound card as input.
While the general focus is on VLF, ?he also monitors for meteors ?? ( as a start ).? ?
Paul frequents the ? VLF group /g/VLF/topics and quickly answers questions on his tools. He may be active in other groups including this one but couldn't say for certain.?
Something to consider if you are comfortable with command line apps and linux. It is always nice to have options.?
I have no first hand experience using vlfrx-tools for meteor detection however.?
cheers, Graham
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Hello
Tracy
Thanks
for your notes and links on Radio meteor detection. I note that
the
various references relate to using the Graves radar system which
is
located near Dijon. Many of us will have started our meteor
observations using Graves.
Graves has a switched beam
that scans from from East, through South to West so is designed
to
cover those directions from Dijon. Graves runs very high power
so it
does provide some coverage to the north by one mechanism or
another
including radiation from the back of the beam ( although that
description is not strictly accurate) or, possibly by
tropospheric
back scatter. This means its coverage to the North is variable
and
not clearly defined.
The
UK meteor beacon, located at the Sherwood Observatory of the
Mansfield and Sutton Astronomical Society, provides coverage for
the
known region above the UK and I would encourage all with a
serious
interest in radio detection of meteors over the UK and perhaps
coordination with the UKMON optical system to make use of it.
More
details can be found at
.
All the best
Brian
On 15/05/2024 12:37, Tracey Snelus
wrote:
Hello?
I believe that people are already successfully
detecting meteors via radio backscatter using raspberry pi.
I¡¯ve attached some links to projects that I have followed.?
I¡¯ve not tried a pi based solution yet as my
pc does the trick just fine but it certainly looks
achievable.?
If you were also considering using pi for
meteor. Video detection then UKMON and the global meteor
network are already very successfully running a pi based
solution.?
Kind Regards
Miss Tracey Snelus?
Hi All,
I had a
brief conversation with John Cook at the BAA Winchester
Weekend about the feasibility of using a Raspberry Pi,
SDR dongle and appropriate software to detect meteors,
he suggested I post here.
?
The last
time I did meteor detection I was using a custom script
I¡¯d created in SpectrumLab (see here )
with an X86 laptop and handheld scanner. At the time, I
had investigated using a Raspberry Pi but they were
pretty new, x86 software wasn¡¯t compatible and the
project didn¡¯t go anywhere.
?
Since then,
USB SDR Dongles have been invented, Raspberry Pis are
now on version 5 and the Pi 5 is significantly more
powerful than the Win 98 Laptop I was using, has more
memory, faster disk and network access etc. Windows has
also come to ARM, I believe there is a Just in Time
(JIT) re-complier that recompiles x86 software on the
fly (JIT compilers are very fast), but I have no
experience of this, also Linux SW has developed a huge
amount so there might even be a mature Linux software
solution (my main Laptop is Linux).
?
Anyway - I¡¯m
now thinking of trying again, creating a meteor detector
to compliment the visual meteor detector my Astro
Society (Crayford) already runs. The concept is a
Raspberry Pi, USB SDR, and appropriate software. I¡¯d
save the files to a NAS with remote cloud access so
members can share any post processing/collation for
reporting purposes.
?
Do you know
if anyone is already doing radio meteor detection on a
Raspberry Pi? If so can you point me to the details? I¡¯m
also interested in compatible USB SDR¡¯s and Compatible
Analysis Software (like Spectrum Lab) I¡¯d like to know
this is possible because I don¡¯t want to reinvent the
wheel and I don¡¯t want to spend my societies cash
finding out it can¡¯t be done! :-)
?
Thanks,
Simon.
|