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Meteor echo of the day

 

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This echo was probably from a larger meteoroid by which I suggest bigger than a grain of sand because it has a very distinctive head echo. We hope that the head echoes from still larger meteoroids /meteorites will be receivable from multiple directions. If so maybe triangulation of the meteor location and trajectory will be possible using Doppler measurements along with the precision timing embedded in the data each receiver send to the project server for recording and analysis later.

Brian



Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

Brian,
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oh dear - we both have problems reading each others scales :-)
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top? ? ? ?13/01/2025 09:08:20.058
middle? 13/01/2025 09:08:20.006
bottom? 13/01/2025 09:08:19.999?
variation due to start of head echo
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A little before your times perhaps


Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

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Looks like a match ! We are making some changes to the live streams and I may be able to allocate receiver 6 to monitor GRAVES or BRAMS or VVS from time to time.

Receiver Numbers at? ? are :- Top Left to right 1,2,3 and bottom row left to right 4,5,6.? The Malvern receiver is no more but will probably be replaced by an experimental receiver eventually.

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On 13/01/2025 17:04, Mike German via groups.io wrote:

top13/01/2025 09:08:20.058
13/01/2025 09:08:20.006
13/01/2025 09:08:19.999?
variation due to start of head echo


Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

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Hello Mike

I can't see the time stamps on your image. The start of the echo on the Meteor Echo of the day would appear to be about 09:08:23? being about 50 seconds before the image time stamp that corresponds to the top of the screens.

Brian

On 13/01/2025 14:55, Mike German via groups.io wrote:

I don't usually bother with looking at my spectrograms but I think this is the same event captured on my three systems using GRAVES backscatter.
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Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

I don't usually bother with looking at my spectrograms but I think this is the same event captured on my three systems using GRAVES backscatter.
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Meteor echo of the day

 

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Hello Folks.? How many of you spotted that for the last few weeks the Norman Lockyer Observatory had become the Normal Lockyer Observatory. This typo crept in while work was being done on the server software which is being changed so that the receiver ident information can be changed locally when we move or re-direct a receiver. We might for example re-direct one of the receivers to BRAMS, VVS or Graves from time to time. In the mean time? here's a candidate for meteor echo of the day. Please feel free to post your own.

?We have established a gallery of exotic echoes at . Please feel free to add your own screenshots of the GB3MBA live streams.

All the best

Brian




Re: Mapping hydrogen Milky Way data to sphere

 

That explains it, thanks, excellent work


Re: Mapping hydrogen Milky Way data to sphere

 

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I am not sure what wavy green lines you are referring to? The mapping to a sphere shows the Milky Way - high signal red weaker signal green weak signal green/blue, not able to access area is dark blue. The detection is staccato in that the elevation on the aerial is moved in jumps and hence the signal has black lines between and this shows up in some of the plots.

Andy

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Very nice,
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what do the wavy green lines represent?


Re: Mapping hydrogen Milky Way data to sphere

 

Very nice,
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what do the wavy green lines represent?


Re: Which Antenna Orientation to use for Meteor Observation

 

Thanks Brian, it will take me a few days to get organised but will post back when I get it working
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cheers
Tony


Re: Which Antenna Orientation to use for Meteor Observation

 

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Hello Tony

I think the convention is to use horizontal polarisation but whether H or V or something in between some echoes will be attenuated as at 6m they are often randomly, linearly polarised despite the illuminating signal being Right Hand Circular Polarised.

Good luck Brian

On 09/01/2025 16:25, Tony Murphy via groups.io wrote:

Hi,
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I have a 6m wire antenna (par end fez) and am planning to use this to detect meteor reflections from the UK Meteor Beacon GB3MBA.
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Does the orientation matter? As a wire I can set up in any config?
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Thanks
Tony


Which Antenna Orientation to use for Meteor Observation

 

Hi,
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I have a 6m wire antenna (par end fez) and am planning to use this to detect meteor reflections from the UK Meteor Beacon GB3MBA.
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Does the orientation matter? As a wire I can set up in any config?
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Thanks
Tony


Re: BAA RAZoom Friday 10th Jan 19:30 Atmospheric Ionisation

 

The link has been sent out.? If you have not received or If you are not on the distribution list and want to be added, let me know.
I will be on the call,? Andrew Thomas will be the host.
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Mapping hydrogen Milky Way data to sphere

 

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This might interest you all

Andy

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Meteor echo of the day

 

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Happy New Year. This morning the UK meteor radar project live stream at ? ? is seeing many exotic echoes such as this example.


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BTW I never see a 'direct' signal. ?

I do admit that the spectrogram images on the the lower frequencies can be far more exotic in nature ?... but remain a subject of conjecture as to the distribution of ionisation that cause them.?


Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

The theory, and results are in the given paper.
also there is a description in there ISS passage to north of GRAVES and detections as conducted by the Collaborative Database exercise.
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I am convinced that the specular reflection points expected in the forward scatter geometry arise from the rear beams of GRAVES. ?This is all evidenced in the paper which is open for comment. ?

The illumination over the UK is 24/7/365 with the diurnal profiles expect. ?It would be interesting to compare with the ?occurrences of tropo scatter

We should discuss this at some later date?
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Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

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Hello Mike

I am not? disputing that meteors over the UK can be detected by the GRAVES emissions. What I am saying is that the means by which the radiation from Graves reaches the region is not as obvious many believe.

The Graves antennas appear to be at ground level and beam up at an angle so the rear lobe heads into the ground. Any "side lobes" are so low down that they probably cant be the source of such a strong "direct" signal. So a possible source of the very strong signal that I see directly from GRAVES could be backscatter from the troposphere and it is likely that this is the source of illumination of meteors to the North.? This is not a reliable point source. In any case, why not use a system that provides defined coverage above the UK when one is available and even if you can't make your own receiver you can use the live streams at .

Here's a screen shot taken just now showing the very strong "direct" signal from GRAVES along with a meteor echo or two and one or more Starlink satellite echoes.


Brian

On 31/12/2024 15:12, Mike German via groups.io wrote:

There is proof postive evidence that meteoroids have been detected over England, Wales and Scotland.
If you are interested in seeing the coverage and why,? there is a paper in WGN, Journal of the International Meteor Organization, vol. 51, no. 4, p. 72-92.? "Utilizing Video Meteor Trails to Understand Radio Meteor Detection"
This paper which is available to members on IMO website and via Research Gate.? I can send a copy if needed.
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Re: Meteor echo of the day

 

There is proof postive evidence that meteoroids have been detected over England, Wales and Scotland.
If you are interested in seeing the coverage and why,? there is a paper in WGN, Journal of the International Meteor Organization, vol. 51, no. 4, p. 72-92.? "Utilizing Video Meteor Trails to Understand Radio Meteor Detection"
This paper which is available to members on IMO website and via Research Gate.? I can send a copy if needed.
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