U3A R09 What the Bible is about

Re: "Every Time We Are Gathered

merlene@... (Merlene) — Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:49:02 -0800

Hi Christine,

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What a beautiful song and singers. I loved the little boy 鈥� he was so talented, not that the other children weren鈥檛, but he won my heart. And every singer sang with their souls 鈥� as if they meant every word they sang. Very uplifting.聽 Thank you for thinking of us and sending this on.

聽

It is a pity that this group is drifting away 鈥� like the clouds in the sky 鈥� big, strong white pillars of strength whilst we were in the Bible class, and now the winds of time has dissipated them, leaving us floating into the unknown. Not that our spiritual strength was Ray鈥檚 responsibility, no, definitely not, but he certainly strengthened our faith and taught us things about the Bible I, for one, would never have been able to interpret myself, and be empowered.

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Maybe we could keep this group going 鈥� chatting about spiritual matters through emails, sharing insights and experiences we鈥檙e having in these changing times. Just a thought.

聽

Thanks for contacting us,

Blessings,

Merlene

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Watch "Every Time We Are Gathered - THE ASIDORS 2022 COVERS" on YouTube

cjmcfadyen46@... (Christine) — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 22:57:44 -0800

https://youtu.be/DNCS4qi-HlM聽

Here's a song some of you may like to take with you into the uncharted seas of 2023.

This clip epitomises the 2 most precious things we have and which are under increasing attack from modern trends, political and social:

1聽 The family (nuclear or extended)聽 and

2 our God-given faith, (without which there is no meaning to anything).

This SDA South Korean family have shared much inspiring music, both as this core family unit and also as the much larger clan of sibs, in-laws, cousins, kids etc. True meaning of inclusivity!聽

If interested,聽 check out their group version of: This world is not my Home.

Oratorio may be my 1st preference for worship music, but the Asidor family make a great change of style

It's been great to share in R09 classes with you all over the past 5+ years. Maybe see you again someday....

Christine M

My Thursday mornings now....

cjmcfadyen46@... (Christine) — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 03:31:20 -0800

Zooming around tables with tucker on a tray instead of zooming through Ray's lessons from The Book.

(Well, l do get free coffee and snacks)

Ray's update & etc

cjmcfadyen46@... (Christine) — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 03:26:55 -0800

Hello Ray & erstwhile fellow R09ers

Thanks for the update, Ray. What a tremendous amount of time and energy contributed by so many researchers are represented in those 700 pages. Sadly, l don't know whether my phone has the capacity to handle that quantity of download....聽

Now so much is coming to light, it would seem on a daily basis, and yet most folk appear incapable of noticing. (Maybe that's a choice.)

Just prior to finding your message, Ray, l'd watched Alex Newman on New American interview Karen Kingston, whose analysis of the Pfizer contract indicates that the intent was to produce a bioweapon. She further indicates that Pfizer can actually be held accountable for the many deaths and life-altering injuries inflicted by this substance they created. She's one of a growing army of truth seekers and truth revealers!

I believe that this year we may be in for, as the Chinese proverb states, 'interesting times'. Nonetheless we know whom we believe and we know His saving power.

聽

Linda and l enjoy keeping in touch. That's a bonus for me on top of all that wonderful and hugely appreciated teaching from you, Ray.聽

And so, as Tiny Tim observed: 'God bless us, every one!'

Christine聽

Happy New Year 2023 and Australia Day 2023 as well as update of Pfizer Research Findings

ray.sarlin@... (Ray) — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 22:21:17 -0800

Well, hello again, everyone!

It's been a long time since we met, and three months have passed since my update on the Pfizer Vaccine study that I participated in.

It is now my pleasure to offer you a free PDF copy of a newly released book on the first fifty findings of the study, which after one week is now the #1 Best Seller in Science Methodology and Statistics on Amazon.com.au.聽聽The book is titled 'War Room / DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Volunteers鈥� Reports eBook: Find Out What Pfizer, FDA Tried to Conceal'.聽 You can download a PDF of this 700-page book for free from my Dropbox link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/drkpam4v1jethpt/January-20th-edit-with-foreword-DailyClout-War-Room-Pfizer-Reports%20-%20Copy.pdf?dl=0

As you may expect, this is a large file and may take a short while to download.

The research can be a bit daunting and certainly is not everyone's cup of tea.聽 It simply assesses the many thousands of research documents on Pfizer's experimental gene therapy mRNA COVID vaccine聽that Pfizer and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration conspired to have classified and hidden from the public for 75 years.聽 Fortunately, they were challenged in court.聽 These papers are still largely ignored by the mainstream media and governments, but they are essential for anyone wanting to make informed decisions about their personal health and that of their loved ones.

Please take a moment to remember your life in 2019 before the Chinese Communists deliberately released (for whatever reason) the COVID-19 pandemic that was out of control in China on the World.聽 Contrast it with your life today.聽聽

The聽experimental gene therapies聽pushed on Western countries as a follow-up to the COVID-19 pandemic are now widely known to be unsafe, and yet many governments are still pushing these 'experimental vaccinations' on their citizens.聽 This book does not examine why this is, it merely looks at what Big Pharma knew to be true and wanted to remain hidden.

You are free to do what you wish with this PDF.

I personally am so grateful that my faith and my Biblical worldview have given me a sound perspective to view these past few turbulent years.聽 I am also thankful that our studies before the pandemic helped sharpen that faith, and for that I will eternally be grateful to you.聽 Thank you.

Blessings,

Ray

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On Thursday, 6 October 2022 at 12:44:46 pm AEST, Ray via groups.io <ray.sarlin@...> wrote:

G'day all,

For any of you who are interested, this article includes an excellent overview article and also a link to the detailed findings and reports of the analysis of the released Pfizer documents.聽 The article is in French, but if you right-click on your mouse, a menu comes up that includes "Translate to English".聽

#PfizerDocuments: In the United States, scientists' legal battle for transparency | Mich猫le Rivasi (michele-rivasi.eu)

As the article explains, Pfizer and the U.S. Government agencies responsible for public health conspired to hide the data relied upon by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to license COVID-19 vaccines for 75 years.聽 On August 27, 2021, a聽"collective" named the Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency filed a Freedom of Information (FOI) request to release that data and, when unsuccessful, sued the FDA in September 2021 to release the data.聽 This suit resulted in a February 2022 court order to release the data amounting to some 400,000 pages progressively over one year.

Another collective called the WarRoom was formed on Dr. Naomi Wolf's website dailyclout.io to analyse the documents as they were released.聽 This volunteer group was comprised of 3,500 researchers, doctors, nurses, biostatisticians, medical fraud investigators, and laboratory clinicians organised into five teams, backstopped by another team of some 350 lawyers.

The article explains the findings well, and I commend it to you.

As mentioned, the article also links to a large 33.5MB PDF file entitled "August 25, 2022, War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Research Volunteers Consolidated Reports and Op-Eds."

If interested, you may wish to visit the website dailyclout.io.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the COVID-19 vaccinations originally pushed through under the then U.S. Government's "Project Warp Speed" with good intentions of addressing the not yet fully understood Coronavirus Pandemic were seized upon and misused by hostile powers to help implement their "Great Reset," an ongoing effort to ultimately consolidate global political, economic, technological, and social control.聽 The results have led to the world-wide chaos of the past two years, with the breakout of wars, the global energy crisis, massive inflation, food shortages, and pending famine. The war in Ukraine exacerbated by sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines threatens to go nuclear, yet this localised border crisis could have easily been resolved before it started but for the machinations of the USA regime which continues to fund the war.聽 The globalists control formerly free countries like Canada and New Zealand.聽 But the globalists moved too fast and popular resistance has surfaced in many parts of the world as diverse as Sri Lanka, Italy, Denmark, and Sweden.聽 The United States is anything but united as it heads to a midterm election in a month that will help determine the future direction or even the continuing existence of the country.聽 I could go on but you probably know all this already.

We are so lucky to live in Australia.

May God bless each of you!
聽

Ray

Re: Update of Pfizer Research Findings

imurray8@... (Ian) — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 21:49:05 -0700

Hello Ray,

聽Thanks for the email. Are you intending to take any U3A classes in 2023 especially 鈥淲hat the Bible is about鈥�?

聽Blessings ,

聽Ian

Re: Update of Pfizer Research Findings

cjmcfadyen46@... (Christine) — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:09:10 -0700

Thanks, Ray, for a Cook's tour of the results of your dedicated labour that's occupied much of this year. (That is a plural 'your', including the hundreds of other team members from many other countries.)

So much truth is now seeing daylight that it's too time-gobbling to keep up. And yet most mainstream media still peddles its blatantly false narrative and yet many (including often extremely intelligent) folk remain blindly faithful to this...

It'll be interesting to follow up the references you give.聽

Thanks again for sharing this. God bless you, the rest of this widely spread team and the combined results produced.

Prayers always.

And - 'See you here, there or in the air!'

Update of Pfizer Research Findings

ray.sarlin@... (Ray) — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 19:44:06 -0700

G'day all,

#PfizerDocuments: In the United States, scientists' legal battle for transparency | Mich猫le Rivasi (michele-rivasi.eu)

The article explains the findings well, and I commend it to you.

As mentioned, the article also links to a large 33.5MB PDF file entitled "August 25, 2022, War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Research Volunteers Consolidated Reports and Op-Eds."

If interested, you may wish to visit the website dailyclout.io.

We are so lucky to live in Australia.

May God bless each of you!
聽

Ray

Re: Recent R09 emails

lipmangreig@... (Greig and Anne Lipman) — Thu, 08 Sep 2022 15:04:20 -0700

Well said, Christine.聽

Regards,

Greig.

Recent R09 emails

cjmcfadyen46@... (Christine) — Mon, 05 Sep 2022 18:45:17 -0700

Hello Ray and R09 members,

Ray, l feel other class members have already said it all, nonetheless......

We've been privileged for quite some years now to benefit from the carefully researched content and beautiful presentation of your classes.聽 And also benefited from your sincere intent to further our knowledge and understanding of the most important book in the world - and to enjoy it! All greatly appreciated and missed.

I daresay we could call you our tour guide through space and time! ('Much have l travelled in realms of gold, and many goodly states and kingdoms seen.' etc, etc.)

The weekly Thursday highlight may have gone into recess, but our Father knows our individual needs. In February, He led me to a church where l have access to an enthusiastic study group and a pastor who delivers solid (and urgent) messages on prophecy.聽

But l still miss your unique insights, Ray.

聽What an undertaking to be engaged in - working to expose lies and deceit on a global scale. More power to you, Ray, and also your many colleagues around the world! There have been many and various wise ones from the outset but they've struggled to be heard,聽 mainly because of mainstream censorship. They've often been forced to find other platforms and probably feel each like a tiny David facing Goliaths, with his brothers and all.

God said that our works were prepared for us before we were born. Well, Ray, you surely were handed a bristling agenda.

I imagine we've all been praying for you, Ray, and will continue to do so. My prayers for you focus on healing from the injection injury you mentioned and also for stamina to persevere in and success with this important research.

To appropriate a phrase from Prophecy Watchers:聽

See you here, there or in the air!

Christine聽

Re: Update: U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 4, 2022

imurray8@... (Ian) — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:39:59 -0700

Hello Ray,

聽Margaret and I really miss your bible lessons and hope that you will be able to resume presentations at U3A in 2023.

聽Blessings,

聽Ian and Margaret

Re: Update: U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 4, 2022

frankmole@... (Frank and Bev) — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 02:33:16 -0700

Hi Ray thanks for update. Bev & I miss class Now going to Southside international Church with Thurs night bible study. Verry deep but good.

best Wishes Frank & Bev

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[b4uc] Update: U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 4, 2022

Hi Merlene,

Thank you for your kind letter.聽 Until 8 November I will not be able to focus on preparing teaching materials.聽 After that, it will depend upon what happens.

The medical research that I have been involved with continues to be both important and time-consuming, with new tranches of Pfizer documents being released monthly.聽 Thus far the work has resulted in numerous press releases,聽 articles, interviews, public-interest lawsuits, the development of legislation, and several books.聽 Key findings are now being used to create public-facing reports.聽 Findings have been used in the USA and Europe to affect government policy on vaccinations, lockdowns, and masking.聽 Numerous other legitimate medical research projects are now confirming many of our findings and conclusions.聽聽

I used "legitimate" because various global elitist organizations and international oligarchs have politicized the COVID-19 pandemic and have poured billions into corrupted academic and public health "studies"聽that further their strategic objectives.聽 They unfortunately now control a number of Western nations and are attempting to consolidate their control over the USA, the major impediment to global governance.聽 The loss of faith in government institutions and nascent worldwide energy and food crises are part of this. Another recent global initiative has seen the legalization of euthanasia or assisted suicide in six EU nations, Japan, Canada, New Zealand, and five U.S. states.聽 The supposed underlying "rationale" for these destructive and counter-intuitive policies relates to mythologized climate change and overpopulation.

By the way, if this sounds Biblical, it's because it is!聽 See Revelation 13, Daniel 2:41-42, Daniel 7:16-24, and so on.聽 Remember that a logical conclusion of the disasters and plagues in Revelation Chapters 6 to 11 is the creation of such a monumental global crisis that people will embrace anything that promises relief.

But some people are fighting back. Things aren't hopeless; it just may be that our hope lies not in this world.聽 Jesus said, "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." (Luke 18:27)

My understanding is that next month will see the final tranche of documents released, and I have been asked to contribute to a book on the experience of those of us researching.聽 My effort has truly been an insignificant part of a worldwide project team of 3,500 researchers and 1,000 lawyers, but I have found it personally rewarding.聽

So thanks again for your email.聽 I really miss our weekly sessions.

Blessings,

Ray

On Sunday, 4 September 2022 at 01:51:51 pm AEST, Merlene <merlene@...> wrote:

Hi Ray,

聽

Having received the U3A Class Schedule for the last term of 2022, I noticed that you have decided not to offer your Bible classes.

聽

I know it takes a lot of time to prepare any class for U3A, and your presentations and content would be no different, in fact, probably take more time and energy than most.聽 I do miss them, but understand completely that there are other worthwhile things in life that make it to the head of the queue at times.

聽

Whatever you are now involved with I wish you every success, and look forward to a time when you might consider returning to teach us more about the Bible and how it works for us in these very difficult and treacherous times, when there seems no good or hope is on the immediate horizon.

聽

Blessings,

Merlene

PS I do miss you ....

聽

聽

Email sent using Optus Webmail

Update: U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 4, 2022

ray.sarlin@... (Ray) — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 02:18:14 -0700

Hi Merlene,

Thank you for your kind letter.聽 Until 8 November I will not be able to focus on preparing teaching materials.聽 After that, it will depend upon what happens.

The medical research that I have been involved with continues to be both important and time-consuming, with new tranches of Pfizer documents being released monthly.聽 Thus far the work has resulted in numerous press releases,聽 articles, interviews, public-interest lawsuits, the development of legislation, and several books.聽 Key findings are now being used to create public-facing reports.聽 Findings have been used in the USA and Europe to affect government policy on vaccinations, lockdowns, and masking.聽 Numerous other legitimate medical research projects are now confirming many of our findings and conclusions.聽聽

I used "legitimate" because various global elitist organizations and international oligarchs have politicized the COVID-19 pandemic and have poured billions into corrupted academic and public health "studies"聽that further their strategic objectives.聽 They unfortunately now control a number of Western nations and are attempting to consolidate their control over the USA, the major impediment to global governance.聽 The loss of faith in government institutions and nascent worldwide energy and food crises are part of this. Another recent global initiative has seen the legalization of euthanasia or assisted suicide in six EU nations, Japan, Canada, New Zealand, and five U.S. states.聽 The supposed underlying "rationale" for these destructive and counter-intuitive policies relates to mythologized climate change and overpopulation.

By the way, if this sounds Biblical, it's because it is!聽 See Revelation 13, Daniel 2:41-42, Daniel 7:16-24, and so on.聽 Remember that a logical conclusion of the disasters and plagues in Revelation Chapters 6 to 11 is the creation of such a monumental global crisis that people will embrace anything that promises relief.

But some people are fighting back. Things aren't hopeless; it just may be that our hope lies not in this world.聽 Jesus said, "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." (Luke 18:27)

My understanding is that next month will see the final tranche of documents released, and I have been asked to contribute to a book on the experience of those of us researching.聽 My effort has truly been an insignificant part of a worldwide project team of 3,500 researchers and 1,000 lawyers, but I have found it personally rewarding.聽

So thanks again for your email.聽 I really miss our weekly sessions.

Blessings,

Ray

U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 4, 2022

merlene@... (Merlene) — Sat, 03 Sep 2022 20:51:12 -0700

Hi Ray,

聽

Having received the U3A Class Schedule for the last term of 2022, I noticed that you have decided not to offer your Bible classes.

聽

I know it takes a lot of time to prepare any class for U3A, and your presentations and content would be no different, in fact, probably take more time and energy than most.聽 I do miss them, but understand completely that there are other worthwhile things in life that make it to the head of the queue at times.

聽

Whatever you are now involved with I wish you every success, and look forward to a time when you might consider returning to teach us more about the Bible and how it works for us in these very difficult and treacherous times, when there seems no good or hope is on the immediate horizon.

聽

Blessings,

Merlene

PS I do miss you ....

聽

Re: U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 3, 2020 - (INACTIVE)

merlene@... (Merlene) — Sun, 05 Jun 2022 00:02:21 -0700

Hi Ray,

聽

Sad to learn of your decision for U3A Course R09 (Bible) to remain inactive for Term 3, but understand.

聽

Hopefully you will be in a position to return to these classes for Term 4. They contain invaluable soul food, something lacking greatly in today鈥檚 society and climate.

聽

Blessings,

Merlene

聽

Announcement about U3A Course R09 (Bible) for Term 3, 2020 - (INACTIVE)

ray.sarlin@... (Ray) — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:51:52 -0700

Hello everyone,

I regret to advise you that the U3A course "What the Bible is About" will remain inactive for another term.

During the past six weeks, I have undertaken (volunteer) consulting work that has kept me completely engaged. I am one of 250 lawyers and 3,000 volunteers (including doctors, immunologists, academics, and researchers) reviewing some 55,000 pages of COVID-19 vaccine test data released by Pfizer Biopharmaceutical Company after a court order.聽 Pfizer had unsuccessfully attempted to avoid disclosure of this data for 75 years. Our study of the released documents for research irregularities and adverse outcomes has already uncovered evidence of massive global fraud of an unimaginable scale. Our vetted and reviewed research findings are turned over to the legal team for litigation.

For example, before the vaccine was released just after the November 2020 US election, the documents show that Pfizer knew that vaccine efficacy waned over time (i.e., two doses were not enough). They also knew that the Alpha variant specifically targeted the elderly with co-morbidities and not the general population. By late 2020 when the Delta variant surfaced, Pfizer was aware that the vaccine had little efficacy against Delta, and was actually more harmful than beneficial when the Omicron variant arrived a year later.聽 Yet this knowledge was ruthlessly suppressed by Big Pharma, Big Media, and Big Tech in collaboration with the US government agencies designed to protect public health, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Center for Disease Control (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), even as they outlawed effective therapeutics and pushed the ineffective vaccine as the only permissible medical treatment.

It seems that global and US oligarchical elites seized upon the COVID-19 panic in an ongoing but as-yet unsuccessful attempt to establish their "Great Reset" (aka, global world government) by fundamentally suppressing human freedoms through lockdowns and mandates while morphing the USA, the primary guarantor of the free world, from the Constitutional Republic into a globally-focused statist government.聽聽

Not only did the lockdowns bankrupt many businesses (over 110,000 in the USA alone), but a reputable study of 672 American children born during the pandemic (aged between 3 months and 3 years) showed that their mean IQ was roughly 22 points below the standardized mean of 100. These are but two of the many social impacts of the lockdowns.

If you would like more details on the general and specific situations referred to above, Dr. Naomi Wolf,聽the facilitator of the project, has just published a new book entitled, "The Bodies of Others: The New Authoritarians, COVID-19 and the War Against the Human."聽 This extremely important and informative, but very readable, book is available on Amazon.聽 You can read the preface and the first two chapters online for free at聽https://www.amazon.com.au/.

There's not a lot I can do about the world situation, but the project I'm on is one thing and it's important!聽 The work is ongoing, so I haven't the time to do justice to U3A Course R09 preparation and have extended it as inactive for another term.

I hope that rolling the U3A course over another term doesn't inconvenience you too much.聽聽

BTW, one of the reasons for my interest (besides the fact that this existential crisis coincides perfectly with Biblical prophecy) is personal. Any vaccine can cause adverse events but statistically, they should be so rare that they never happen to anyone you know.聽 But I was briefly hospitalized soon after receiving my second AstraZeneca dose, and have experienced circulation problems and a persistent skin rash ever since.

Thank you.

Blessings,

Ray聽

Second question

imurray8@... (Ian) — Thu, 12 May 2022 17:55:05 -0700

Hello Ray and fellow Bible group members,

Firstly please accept my apologies for bombarding you with my reply to Ray re document Q.For some reason my computer did not receive my first reply

and this led me to keep sending it.聽

Question 2

Ray,

In your three and half page attached pdf to you discussion on Document Q you set out the following:

"Given the prevailing traditional Catholic understanding that Mark had been

written first (a theory since seriously challenged)"

I have always been comfortable with the opinion that Mark was the first gospel written although we will never know for sure.

please expand on your comment聽(a theory since seriously challenged)

聽Blessings,

聽Ian

Re: Question on the Synoptic Gospel problem - an academic Quagmire

ray.sarlin@... (Ray) — Thu, 12 May 2022 16:42:59 -0700

Hi Ian,

For the record, your earlier reply was sent out three times to the whole group: once with my email of 11 May attached, once with my email excised, and once as a forward of the first email.聽 You should have copies of each in your inbox (or spam file).

That said, I really appreciate your reply and feel blessed that the paper answered your initial question.聽聽

Perhaps one of the reasons why much of modern Christianity seems to lack significance to most people is, as you note, that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.聽 Alas, religions tend to trivialize Christianity in order to get "bums on seats" who they feel might be turned off by deeper theological study.聽 It's interesting to contrast that with the muscular Christianity of the Bible where people were fully prepared to die in horrible ways for their beliefs.聽 I particularly like the quote attributed to Polycarp as he faced execution in Smyrna around AD 150:聽

鈥淪wear,鈥� urged the Proconsul, 鈥渞eproach Christ, and I will set you free.鈥澛�
鈥�86 years have I have served him,鈥� Polycarp declared, 鈥渁nd he has done me no wrong. How can I blaspheme my King and my Savior?鈥澛� (Lightfoot translation)

I eagerly await your next question.

Blessings,

Ray

On Friday, 13 May 2022, 09:12:13 am AEST, ianmurray <imurray8@...> wrote:

Hello Ray,

聽I have tried to send my reply to the whole group but for some reason my computer will not allow this.Hopefully you can send my reply to the whole group.

聽Blessings,

聽Ian

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From: ianmurray <imurray8@...>
Subject: Re: [b4uc] Question on the Synoptic Gospel problem - an academic Quagmire
Date: 13 May 2022 at 9:04:59 am AEST
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On 13 May 2022, at 8:52 am, Ian <imurray8@...> wrote:

Hello Ray,

WOW!!!!!!!!!聽what a response to my question. I have read your three and half page explanation of document Q several times and I now have a full understanding of the theory.I agree with you that the theory does not change any of 聽my Christian beliefs and I doubt that there is or was this hypothetical Document Q.聽

I also read the two academic papers attached to your email. They are very complicated and I although I gained an impression of the arguments I certainly would not pass any examination on their contents.After reading these articles I again read your three and a half page explanation of document Q to clarify my thoughts.

The whole exercise has reinforced to me that聽a little knowledge is dangerous thing.聽I don鈥檛 remember where I read about document Q but obviously I did not really understand what the theory of document Q was all about.

聽Your explanation raises another question that I will submit separately to avoid confusion.
As always, thanks for all the work you have done in preparing your response.

聽Blessings ,

聽Ian

On 11 May 2022, at 3:50 pm, Ray via groups.io <ray.sarlin@...> wrote:

THE SYNOPTIC GOSPEL PROBLEM 鈥� AN ACADEMIC QUAGMIRE
G鈥檇ay all,
Although U3A Class R09 is on hiatus over Term 2, 2022, the discussion forum and website are still open.聽 Please feel free to comment on or ask anything.聽 This email addresses the following query:
QUESTION FROM A PARTICIPANT:

We don鈥檛 know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books I have read written by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document 鈥淨鈥�.聽 This mystery document is supposed to be the first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been copied,聽 translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory is that there were three documents 鈥淨鈥�, one for each disciple, or just one, I am not sure.聽
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a document or documents 鈥淨鈥�

Further to the preliminary answer provided a week or so ago, I have attached a 3-1/2 page PDF response (with lots of graphics) entitled "What About Q.pdf".

In addition, two academic papers are attached for those who may want to look deeper.聽

鈥淭he Lost聽Gospel Of Q鈥擣act Or Fantasy?鈥� by Dr. Eta Linnemann - educated among the very heart of the beast that originated this heresy (for that's what it is), she rebelled against the theory and gives a cogent discussion in this lengthy paper.聽 For the record, she published a shorter paper in the Biblical Archaeology Review that despite my membership I was unable to download.

鈥淭he Gospel of Q: A Public Domain Translation鈥� by Dr. Mark Mattison.聽 This academic paper on the pro-Q side saves you from wading through all the convoluted jargon and gives you a look in English at what the Q-source issue is all about.

I really enjoyed doing this research.聽 Thanks heaps for the question.聽 I hope that I've answered your query okay.

Blessings,

Ray聽
Tutor U3A E09

<What about Q.pdf><The_Lost_Gospel_Of_Q_Fact_Or_Fantasy_1_E.pdf><The_Gospel_of_Q_A_Public_Domain_Translat.pdf>

Re: Question on the Synoptic Gospel problem - an academic Quagmire

imurray8@... (Ian) — Thu, 12 May 2022 16:05:03 -0700

On 13 May 2022, at 8:52 am, Ian <imurray8@...> wrote:

Hello Ray,

WOW!!!!!!!!!聽what a response to my question. I have read your three and half page explanation of document Q several times and I now have a full understanding of the theory.I agree with you that the theory does not change any of 聽my Christian beliefs and I doubt that there is or was this hypothetical Document Q.聽

I also read the two academic papers attached to your email. They are very complicated and I although I gained an impression of the arguments I certainly would not pass any examination on their contents.After reading these articles I again read your three and a half page explanation of document Q to clarify my thoughts.

The whole exercise has reinforced to me that聽a little knowledge is dangerous thing.聽I don鈥檛 remember where I read about document Q but obviously I did not really understand what the theory of document Q was all about.

聽Your explanation raises another question that I will submit separately to avoid confusion.
As always, thanks for all the work you have done in preparing your response.

聽Blessings ,

聽Ian

On 11 May 2022, at 3:50 pm, Ray via groups.io <ray.sarlin@...> wrote:

THE SYNOPTIC GOSPEL PROBLEM 鈥� AN ACADEMIC QUAGMIRE
G鈥檇ay all,
Although U3A Class R09 is on hiatus over Term 2, 2022, the discussion forum and website are still open.聽 Please feel free to comment on or ask anything.聽 This email addresses the following query:
QUESTION FROM A PARTICIPANT:

We don鈥檛 know who actually wrote the synoptic gospels whether it was the disciples themselves or their scribes. Some books I have read written by bible scholars refer to a hypothetical document 鈥淨鈥�.聽 This mystery document is supposed to be the first ever written account of the synoptic gospels and these accounts have been copied,聽 translated and modified down through the ages. Whether the theory is that there were three documents 鈥淨鈥�, one for each disciple, or just one, I am not sure.聽
I would appreciate your opinion on how the very first accounts of each of the synoptic gospels have been identified and your thoughts on a document or documents 鈥淨鈥�

Further to the preliminary answer provided a week or so ago, I have attached a 3-1/2 page PDF response (with lots of graphics) entitled "What About Q.pdf".

In addition, two academic papers are attached for those who may want to look deeper.聽

鈥淭he Lost聽Gospel Of Q鈥擣act Or Fantasy?鈥� by Dr. Eta Linnemann - educated among the very heart of the beast that originated this heresy (for that's what it is), she rebelled against the theory and gives a cogent discussion in this lengthy paper.聽 For the record, she published a shorter paper in the Biblical Archaeology Review that despite my membership I was unable to download.

鈥淭he Gospel of Q: A Public Domain Translation鈥� by Dr. Mark Mattison.聽 This academic paper on the pro-Q side saves you from wading through all the convoluted jargon and gives you a look in English at what the Q-source issue is all about.

I really enjoyed doing this research.聽 Thanks heaps for the question.聽 I hope that I've answered your query okay.

Blessings,

Ray聽
Tutor U3A E09

<What about Q.pdf><The_Lost_Gospel_Of_Q_Fact_Or_Fantasy_1_E.pdf><The_Gospel_of_Q_A_Public_Domain_Translat.pdf>

Question on the Synoptic Gospel problem - an academic Quagmire

imurray8@... (Ian) — Thu, 12 May 2022 16:04:00 -0700

Hello Ray,

WOW!!!!!!!!!聽what a response to my question. I have read your three and half page explanation of document Q several times and I now have a full understanding of the theory.I agree with you that the theory does not change any of 聽my Christian beliefs and I doubt that there is or was this hypothetical Document Q.聽

I also read the two academic papers attached to your email. They are very complicated and I although I gained an impression of the arguments I certainly would not pass any examination on their contents.After reading these articles I again read your three and a half page explanation of document Q to clarify my thoughts.

The whole exercise has reinforced to me that a little knowledge is dangerous thing. I don鈥檛 remember where I read about document Q but obviously I did not really understand what the theory of document Q was all about.

聽Your explanation raises another question that I will submit separately to avoid confusion.

As always, thanks for all the work you have done in preparing your response.

聽Blessings ,

聽Ian