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Found and bought (eBay) a replacement, original cross slide handle for my Craftsman MK2 6" lathe.? So glad as the so-called replacement handles I'd found thus far are just too large and?interfere with the carriage handle.? Both cross slide and compound were broken, which we all know is common and they are difficult if not impossible to find, at least in metal.?
Still looking for a compound handle.?
Rick
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Can't you make one? Even without the balls.
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Found and bought (eBay) a replacement, original cross slide handle for my Craftsman MK2 6" lathe.? So glad as the so-called replacement handles I'd found thus far are just too large and?interfere with the carriage handle.? Both cross slide and compound
were broken, which we all know is common and they are difficult if not impossible to find, at least in metal.?
Still looking for a compound handle.?
Rick
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Yes, I could have, if I wanted to take the time.? I even have the factory drawing.? But given what else is going on in my life right now, better to buy one.? I may have to make one for the compound given how scarce they are.? I'll first try to repair the broken one, but I think that has a low chance of success.?
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I have a bunch of atlas handles some are new. They are from Atlas press in Kalamazoo. I am two miles north of I 94 at exit 66. Also machines and tools. Come and take a look.
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Can't get by.? If you happen to have a compound handle for an Atlas/Craftsman 6" lathe, any chance you could pull it and send it, for a price of course??
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Might want to tell him the length & hole sizes, ball diameters and such other info, maybe part numbers if you have that info,? so he can figure out what could work of what he has.
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 08:12:40 AM CST, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
Can't get by.? If you happen to have a compound handle for an Atlas/Craftsman 6" lathe, any chance you could pull it and send it, for a price of course??
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Fair enough.? Parts diagram for Craftsman 101.21400 lathe showing the compound ball crank handle and part number (M6-308).? And a factory drawing for what I believe is the same part, however, the part number is cropped so I cannot be sure.? Dimensionally, it looks to be right.?
Fair enough.?
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I can't swear it will get you what you need, but I think it improves the chances a bunch! ;)?
You had way more info than I expected, too! Good on you!
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 08:45:54 AM CST, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
Fair enough.? Parts diagram for Craftsman 101.21400 lathe showing the compound ball crank handle and part number (M6-308).? And a factory drawing for what I believe is the same part, however, the part number is cropped so I cannot be sure.? Dimensionally, it looks to be right.?
Fair enough.?
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DO ya guys find ghost double ball handles comfortable ? My bud
has them on his lathe & they just don't work with my hands .
animal
On 2/17/24 6:45 AM, Rick Kruger wrote:
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Fair enough.? Parts diagram for Craftsman 101.21400 lathe showing
the compound ball crank handle and part number (M6-308).? And a
factory drawing for what I believe is the same part, however, the
part number is cropped so I cannot be sure.? Dimensionally, it
looks to be right.?
Fair enough.?
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I think you make a good observation and point, at least as far as
something as small as the Atlas 618 sized handles.? The one on my MK2
has one broken handle and it is easy to turn without that other handle
in the way.? That isn't an issue on my Monarch 10EE, where both handles
are present but my hand clears the other one.? Sort of curious, as there
isn't that much difference in their spread, MK2 - 1-1/4", 10EE - 2".
Considering this, I may just leave the compound single handled.
Rick
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On 2/17/2024 10:54 AM, mike allen wrote:
DO ya guys find ghost double ball handles comfortable ? My bud has
them on his lathe & they just don't work with my hands .
animal
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Rick, it's chromed?Zamac or pot metal. If you can fix it please post how you did it!? ?Bill
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 2:41?PM Rick Kruger < krugerr@...> wrote: Yes, I could have, if I wanted to take the time.? I even have the factory drawing.? But given what else is going on in my life right now, better to buy one.? I may have to make one for the compound given how scarce they are.? I'll first try to repair the broken one, but I think that has a low chance of success.?
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Given my latest post in response to animal's question, I probably
will not try to fix it.?
What I would have tried was figuring out a way to drill holes in
each of the broken parts to insert a pin.? Getting them lined up
would be just one of the challenges.
On 2/17/2024 1:36 PM, Bill Williams
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Rick, it's chromed?Zamac or pot metal. If you can
fix it please post how you did it!? ?Bill
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at
2:41?PM Rick Kruger < krugerr@...>
wrote:
Yes,
I could have, if I wanted to take the time.? I even have the
factory drawing.? But given what else is going on in my life
right now, better to buy one.? I may have to make one for the
compound given how scarce they are.? I'll first try to repair
the broken one, but I think that has a low chance of success.?
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Hi Rick,??
Belated response to your commentary on the repair of the handle assembly. The attached image illustrates the 3 that I restored. Somewhat and time consuming. All had been broken at the narrow neck of the arm which I assume is typical. I flat filed the broken end of the arm, found the center of the flat filed end, center punched, drilled and tapped to receive a recessed hex head cap screw to secure the brass extension of the arm to the remaining original portion of the arm. The arm extension was made from a piece of brass stock nos, drilled and counterbored to receive the cap screw mentioned above. Tha new arm assembly was brought together face to face with a split ring lock washer between the faces to prevent rotation. Additionally, a hole was drilled on the cylinder of the arm Extension to secure the handle? to the arm, detailed following. The handle was fabricated from brass stock nos. One end of the handle was a full radius In a lathe using a flat file, the neck formed using a curved file and the other end curved to mate with the cylinder of the arm, the lower body of the arm drilled the receive a steel roll pin. The assembly of the handle to the arm extension was accomplished by first tinning the mating surfaces of the arm extension and the handle, pressing the roll pin into the handle , then pressing through handle and the arm extension together, followed by heating the assembly to get the solder to flow, adding solder as needed. The solder was silver bearing solder.
Hole that this helps. I am confident that with some thought there is an easier way to accomplish this. Is it perfect? No, but it works for me. God bless you all and best regards. Roger Francis Karl Manchester. Maine
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 4:41 PM, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote: Yes, I could have, if I wanted to take the time.? I even have the factory drawing.? But given what else is going on in my life right now, better to buy one.? I may have to make one for the compound given how scarce they are.? I'll first try to repair the broken one, but I think that has a low chance of success.?
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Nice work Rodger. Just sayin’ Brian
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On Feb 20, 2024, at 5:42 PM, Roger F. R. Karl via groups.io <RFKARL@...> wrote:
?Hi Rick,??
Belated response to your commentary on the repair of the handle assembly. The attached image illustrates the 3 that I restored. Somewhat and time consuming. All had been broken at the narrow neck of the arm which I assume is typical. I flat filed the broken end of the arm, found the center of the flat filed end, center punched, drilled and tapped to receive a recessed hex head cap screw to secure the brass extension of the arm to the remaining original portion of the arm. The arm extension was made from a piece of brass stock nos, drilled and counterbored to receive the cap screw mentioned above. Tha new arm assembly was brought together face to face with a split ring lock washer between the faces to prevent rotation. Additionally, a hole was drilled on the cylinder of the arm Extension to secure the handle? to the arm, detailed following. The handle was fabricated from brass stock nos. One end of the handle was a full radius In a lathe using a flat file, the neck formed using a curved file and the other end curved to mate with the cylinder of the arm, the lower body of the arm drilled the receive a steel roll pin. The assembly of the handle to the arm extension was accomplished by first tinning the mating surfaces of the arm extension and the handle, pressing the roll pin into the handle , then pressing through handle and the arm extension together, followed by heating the assembly to get the solder to flow, adding solder as needed. The solder was silver bearing solder.
Hole that this helps. I am confident that with some thought there is an easier way to accomplish this. Is it perfect? No, but it works for me. God bless you all and best regards. Roger Francis Karl Manchester. Maine On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 4:41 PM, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote: Yes, I could have, if I wanted to take the time.? I even have the factory drawing.? But given what else is going on in my life right now, better to buy one.? I may have to make one for the compound given how scarce they are.? I'll first try to repair the broken one, but I think that has a low chance of success.?
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Roger, that is a nice, detailed description of your process.? Thanks.?
It runs much like I imagined I might do it, although I had not thought of the split lock washer.? As mentioned above, I'm now intending to leave the broken compound handle as it is, single-handed.? If I every do decide to repair it, I'll refer back to your details.?
BTW, I'm not clear on your use of "nos" after mention of brass stock.? I'm familiar with NOS meaning "new old stock", but it isn't clear how that applies to brass stock, unless you have had it for a really long time.
Rick
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Hi Rick and all,
nos - an example of laziness, intended to signify Not Otherwise Specified - I have no idea what the alloy of the brass was.
Did the image come through?
God bless you all and best regards' Roger Francis Karl
On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 06:28:23 PM EST, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
Roger, that is a nice, detailed description of your process.? Thanks.?
It runs much like I imagined I might do it, although I had not thought of the split lock washer.? As mentioned above, I'm now intending to leave the broken compound handle as it is, single-handed.? If I every do decide to repair it, I'll refer back to your details.?
BTW, I'm not clear on your use of "nos" after mention of brass stock.? I'm familiar with NOS meaning "new old stock", but it isn't clear how that applies to brass stock, unless you have had it for a really long time.
Rick
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Ha, everything in my shop is nos, then.? I do know what some of its,
but not to the level of Certs.?
Yes, it did come through.? Would make understanding your process
much less meaningful, if not.?
Rick
On 2/20/2024 3:34 PM, Roger F. R. Karl
via groups.io wrote:
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Hi Rick and all,
nos - an example of laziness,
intended to signify Not Otherwise Specified - I have no idea
what the alloy of the brass was.
Did the image come through?
God bless you all and best
regards'
Roger Francis Karl
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Bill in OKC too
Roger F. R. Karl
Brian Cayer