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I forsee the end of an era and I may live just long enough to see Starrett precision tools made in China.
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The value in Starrett is clearly in their multi-hundred-thousand dollar metrology suites for precise measurement of high-end products. Their hand tool business has gradually become unaffordable to individuals.. The 0-1" friction thimble carbide tipped vernier
micrometer I bought new for $25 as an apprentice is now $299 from Grainger. The 12" centerhead/protractor/adjustable square I bought from a retiring old timer for chump change is now unaffordable for mere mortals. So... the answer is that the private equity
sharks will keep the metrology suites and re-brand the hand tools using Chinese products at a lower price point than a real Starrett tool, but still pricier than the Chinese-branded product.?
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You can't go by Grainger.? They offer substantial discounts to their big customers, and their list prices are meaningless.
The problem with the hand tool business is you.? And me.? And most other tool users.? Their tools don't wear out.? I have Starrett tools that are well over 100 years old and are just as useful as when new.? They are passed along to one's heirs or sold at a small fraction of new prices.? Hard to compete with that.
My brother in law works at Starrett, as did his father, grandfather, great grandfather and great great grandfather.? His father and grandfather each had 61 years there - not sure what his span will be.
On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 06:45:38 AM EDT, rfmarchi1 <rfmarchi@...> wrote:
The value in Starrett is clearly in their multi-hundred-thousand dollar metrology suites for precise measurement of high-end products. Their hand tool business has gradually become unaffordable to individuals.. The 0-1" friction thimble carbide tipped vernier
micrometer I bought new for $25 as an apprentice is now $299 from Grainger. The 12" centerhead/protractor/adjustable square I bought from a retiring old timer for chump change is now unaffordable for mere mortals. So... the answer is that the private equity
sharks will keep the metrology suites and re-brand the hand tools using Chinese products at a lower price point than a real Starrett tool, but still pricier than the Chinese-branded product.?
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Add to that CNC, 3D printing, injection molding and so on.? Products the once took 10s or hundreds of measurements to complete now may take only a few on setup end a few spot checks.
Likely correct on the future.? Look at Fluke, Tektronix and Kiethley in the electronics world.
Greg
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I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies, maybe
not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products alongside their
American made line. It does appear Starrett has a presence in China
already as this screen shot of their website demonstrates. Something
must be getting made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as
we aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has changed
except the location of the slaves.
On 3/16/2024 6:45 AM, rfmarchi1 wrote:
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The value in Starrett is clearly in their multi-hundred-thousand
dollar metrology suites for precise measurement of high-end
products. Their hand tool business has gradually become
unaffordable to individuals.. The 0-1" friction thimble carbide
tipped vernier micrometer I bought new for $25 as an apprentice
is now $299 from Grainger. The 12"
centerhead/protractor/adjustable square I bought from a retiring
old timer for chump change is now unaffordable for mere mortals.
So... the answer is that the private equity sharks will keep the
metrology suites and re-brand the hand tools using Chinese
products at a lower price point than a real Starrett tool, but
still pricier than the Chinese-branded product.?
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Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy products from various vendors and have their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
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On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of the slaves.
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The problem is CHINA . We need to really lay on our politicians to bring all the American company's back home. Just look at auto parts they are all china made? ?
GP
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:45:58 AM EDT, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via groups.io <jmartin957@...> wrote:
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy products from various vendors and have their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of the slaves.
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Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they will
steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a Stihl knockoff
on Amazon that you can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts
with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away with
it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
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Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty
obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore
<mpoore10@...> wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies,
maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products
alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett has
a presence in China already as this screen shot of their website
demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We are okay
with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and the
products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location of
the slaves.
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It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
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Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they will
steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a Stihl knockoff
on Amazon that you can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts
with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away with
it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website, it’s pretty
obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected companies,
maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom products
alongside their American made line. It does appear Starrett
has a presence in China already as this screen shot of their
website demonstrates. Something must be getting made there. We
are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't the slaves and
the products are cheap. Nothing has changed except the
location of the slaves.
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I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
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It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious
brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally interchange
genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know
how they get away with it. It seems like Stihl would protest
more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike
companies that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or
website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom
products alongside their American made line. It does appear
Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot
of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting
made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we
aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I have the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...> wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine knock-off's for
years all parts are interchangeable . It keeps? Harbor Freight
doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products made there if you control the
process. Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a fictitious
brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally interchange
genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I honestly do not know
how they get away with it. It seems like Stihl would protest
more.
Starrett does indeed have a factory in China, and the products
made there are thus under their direct control. Unlike
companies that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog or
website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of Chicom
products alongside their American made line. It does appear
Starrett has a presence in China already as this screen shot
of their website demonstrates. Something must be getting
made there. We are okay with slave labor so long as we
aren't the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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That is the company I was thinking about in my earlier post. I think
Abom did a factory tour video where I saw the different versions.
On 3/20/2024 12:49 AM, Bill Williams
wrote:
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Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to
Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I have
the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at
6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine
knock-off's for years all parts are interchangeable . It
keeps? Harbor Freight doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good products
made there if you control the process. Unfortunately,
once they learn your processes, they will steal your IP
and make the same thing under a fictitious brand and
sell it on Amazon for 25% of your price. There is a
Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you can literally
interchange genuine Stihl parts with the Chicom saw. I
honestly do not know how they get away with it. It seems
like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a
factory in China, and the products made there are thus
under their direct control. Unlike companies that buy
products from various vendors and have their names
stamped on. If you look at their catalog or website,
it’s pretty obvious where each item is made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well respected
companies, maybe not Starrett, had a value line of
Chicom products alongside their American made line.
It does appear Starrett has a presence in China
already as this screen shot of their website
demonstrates. Something must be getting made there.
We are okay with slave labor so long as we aren't
the slaves and the products are cheap. Nothing has
changed except the location of the slaves.
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He probably got a nice new shiny one on his way out the door too
.
animal
On 3/20/24 8:37 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
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That is the company I was thinking about in my earlier post. I
think Abom did a factory tour video where I saw the different
versions.
On 3/20/2024 12:49 AM, Bill Williams
wrote:
Gerstner Chests. US made $3000, Chinese made to
Gerstner specs, $600, Chinese Knockoff, $60! Fortunately?I
have the first and the last!? ?Bill
On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at
6:40?PM Mike Poore < mpoore10@...>
wrote:
I know what you mean. Incredible.
On 3/19/2024 3:17 PM, mike allen wrote:
It's been going on with the Honda small engine
knock-off's for years all parts are interchangeable .
It keeps? Harbor Freight doors open .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:08 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
Agreed. You can get good
products made there if you control the process.
Unfortunately, once they learn your processes, they
will steal your IP and make the same thing under a
fictitious brand and sell it on Amazon for 25% of your
price. There is a Stihl knockoff on Amazon that you
can literally interchange genuine Stihl parts with the
Chicom saw. I honestly do not know how they get away
with it. It seems like Stihl would protest more.
Starrett does indeed have a
factory in China, and the products made there are
thus under their direct control. Unlike companies
that buy products from various vendors and have
their names stamped on. If you look at their catalog
or website, it’s pretty obvious where each item is
made.
On Mar 18, 2024, at 10:36 PM, Mike Poore
<mpoore10@...>
wrote:
? I remember seeing where one of the well
respected companies, maybe not Starrett, had a
value line of Chicom products alongside their
American made line. It does appear Starrett has a
presence in China already as this screen shot of
their website demonstrates. Something must be
getting made there. We are okay with slave labor
so long as we aren't the slaves and the products
are cheap. Nothing has changed except the location
of the slaves.
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Jim F
Dollar Bill