Afternoon all,? I wanted to see if i could adjust the clamp screws on the counter shaft and as usual found something else.? Its hard to describe so i will use the part numbers and try to attach pics.? The hanger (part no. 9-21) can slide along the hinge pin (9-123) just over 3/16" parallel to the bed.? the hanger can also twist perpendicular to the bed about 40 thou on its pin.
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Re: center height/ distance from topslide
Actually the 6-18's are best fit with an OXA and you broad brush of "all" ignores the miriad of Franken-machines altered by mad engineer's.
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Re: countershaft bearings
Keep in mind and not use roller bearings they can not handle high rpm's, a ball bearing is to be used?
GP
On Monday, February 17, 2025 at 04:39:28 AM EST, bskonig via groups.io <bskonig@...> wrote:
I have information from my own experience in sourcing the counter shaft roller bearing replacements. In 2016 I was able to find the exact new bearings from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts in New Springfield, OH.. They were exact replacements by actual construction, and under the Ford part no. of A-7118 found in applications to Ford transmission counter shaft and input shaft 'short' version bearings (the 'long' version is p/n A-7121). Unfortunately, the domestic manufacturers have nearly all gone to off shore sources for these p/n bearings and the result has been greatly increased costs (vs. my sourcing in 2016 at $4.00 - $6.++ each) and extremely unsatisfactory service life due to a revised method of construction. There is a very informative and detailed discussion thread including many other manufacturer brand cross referenced part nos. (with no assurances these are as original in design) on TheFordBarn.com site under General Discussion >Model A (1928-31) 'Transmission Bearings'. It seems the only way to get the good, original Ford designed bearings is to get Ford branded AND boxed (not loose) New Old Stock units, likely on Ebay, if they still exist! The design detail that identifies the original quality units is to look at the end retainer plates for through holes at the ends of the roller elements where the rollers have axle projections that? ride in these holes.
Good luck in your search.
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Re: countershaft bearings
These?
https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/product.htm?pid=979003&cat=41756
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Re: countershaft bearings
I have information from my own experience in sourcing the counter shaft roller bearing replacements. In 2016 I was able to find the exact new bearings from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts in New Springfield, OH.. They were exact replacements by actual construction, and under the Ford part no. of A-7118 found in applications to Ford transmission counter shaft and input shaft 'short' version bearings (the 'long' version is p/n A-7121). Unfortunately, the domestic manufacturers have nearly all gone to off shore sources for these p/n bearings and the result has been greatly increased costs (vs. my sourcing in 2016 at $4.00 - $6.++ each) and extremely unsatisfactory service life due to a revised method of construction. There is a very informative and detailed discussion thread including many other manufacturer brand cross referenced part nos. (with no assurances these are as original in design) on TheFordBarn.com site under General Discussion >Model A (1928-31) 'Transmission Bearings'. It seems the only way to get the good, original Ford designed bearings is to get Ford branded AND boxed (not loose) New Old Stock units, likely on Ebay, if they still exist! The design detail that identifies the original quality units is to look at the end retainer plates for through holes at the ends of the roller elements where the rollers have axle projections that? ride in these holes.
Good luck in your search.
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Re: center height/ distance from topslide
People tie up an enormous amount of real estate with oversized posts in my opinion. ??
I have an AXA on a 1042 and I think it's overkill. ?
Steve
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 8:46?AM, Guenther Paul via groups.io <paulguenter@...> wrote:
? As long as the tool post adjusts to the center and you tool bit is centered i would not be concerned?
GP
On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 11:25:34 AM EST, Jim F via groups.io <lacityjim2@...> wrote:
All Atlas lathes use AXA SIZE tool post.? On Feb 16, 2025, at 7:55?AM, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
? Hi all if anyone has a 10f could you possibly measure from the top of the topslide/compound to the center line of the spindle.? Im wondering if there is something odd with my headstock as i am measuring it at aprox 33mm? which apparently is the sweetspot of a bxa aloris tool post however the website also says that its for a 13-15 inch swing
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Re: center height/ distance from topslide
As long as the tool post adjusts to the center and you tool bit is centered i would not be concerned?
GP
On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 11:25:34 AM EST, Jim F via groups.io <lacityjim2@...> wrote:
All Atlas lathes use AXA SIZE tool post.?
On Feb 16, 2025, at 7:55?AM, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
? Hi all if anyone has a 10f could you possibly measure from the top of the topslide/compound to the center line of the spindle.? Im wondering if there is something odd with my headstock as i am measuring it at aprox 33mm? which apparently is the sweetspot of a bxa aloris tool post however the website also says that its for a 13-15 inch swing
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All Atlas lathes use AXA SIZE tool post.?
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On Feb 16, 2025, at 7:55?AM, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
? Hi all if anyone has a 10f could you possibly measure from the top of the topslide/compound to the center line of the spindle.? Im wondering if there is something odd with my headstock as i am measuring it at aprox 33mm? which apparently is the sweetspot of a bxa aloris tool post however the website also says that its for a 13-15 inch swing
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center height/ distance from topslide
Hi all if anyone has a 10f could you possibly measure from the top of the topslide/compound to the center line of the spindle.? Im wondering if there is something odd with my headstock as i am measuring it at aprox 33mm? which apparently is the sweetspot of a bxa aloris tool post however the website also says that its for a 13-15 inch swing
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Re: countershaft bearings
What kind of miles per gallon you get with the Model T parts installed?
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Too cool!!!
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.?
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better.
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 10:36:57 PM CST, gjprosnik via groups.io <bach3cw@...> wrote:
Are you talking about the roller bearings that are by the two grease cups? If so, when I rebuilt my Atlas I found out to my surprise that they are the same bearings that the Ford model
T used in the transmission.?
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They still sell them…see Lang's Old Car Parts at:
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Just measure the existing bearings and then search McMaster and Grainger for a good part number. ?Then try Amazon.? I would refrain from modifying the housing, since replacement parts are not available. You can always make your own custom shaft to fit your new bearings.?
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On Feb 13, 2025, at 6:34?AM, Don Zarling via groups.io <drzarling@...> wrote:
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Bill,
Many links on google.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/caster-bearings/
they are roller bearings
DZ On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 11:36:50 PM CST, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
I'm not familiar with caster bearings. Got a link or photo?
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 06:53:43 PM CST, Don Zarling via groups.io <drzarling@...> wrote:
On another forum (Home shop machinist) it was suggested that "caster bearings" may work for the countershaft. On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 07:39:12 AM CST, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
hi all, does anyone know or have any info about the countershaft bearings like size/make/number.? I cant seem to find them in the uk at all.?
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Bill,
Many links on google.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/caster-bearings/
they are roller bearings
DZ On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 11:36:50 PM CST, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
I'm not familiar with caster bearings. Got a link or photo?
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 06:53:43 PM CST, Don Zarling via groups.io <drzarling@...> wrote:
On another forum (Home shop machinist) it was suggested that "caster bearings" may work for the countershaft. On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 07:39:12 AM CST, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
hi all, does anyone know or have any info about the countershaft bearings like size/make/number.? I cant seem to find them in the uk at all.?
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No need to turn it down, just find a bearing that fits its current diameter and machine the housing to fit the o.d.
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Too cool!!!
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 10:36:57 PM CST, gjprosnik via groups.io <bach3cw@...> wrote:
Are you talking about the roller bearings that are by the two grease cups? If so, when I rebuilt my Atlas I found out to my surprise that they are the same bearings that the Ford model T used in the transmission.?
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They still sell them…see Lang's Old Car Parts at:
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If I win the lottery, I want to visit the UK and get copies of all the model engineering books and magazines...
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Then buy a mall, and turn it into a maker space back here.?
There is a joke about a guy who wants to win the lottery, a good church-going man. He's been praying to win so he can do good things for his church. This particular night he's been praying for hours and hours, and crying out. "Oh, why won't you let me win the lottery?"
Then he hears a great booming voice say "Joe,? buy a ticket!"
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 07:10:32 PM CST, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
@Bill in OKC too.... my friend is a model engineer and through him i know of a couple of others but its a dying art? mainly because here is no engineering in the uk anymore.? In fact everyone is getting sick of me saying that if i win the lottery ill visit the states and raid all the garage and estate sales
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Well, the casters that go under toolboxes and such are designed for slow, occasional movement, but for heavy loads.?
I am not sure they would serve well as a small load, constant movement bearing. Of course,? I could be wrong.
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hi all, does anyone know or have any info about the countershaft bearings like size/make/number.? I cant seem to find them in the uk at all.?
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I'm not familiar with caster bearings. Got a link or photo?
Bill in OKC?
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 06:53:43 PM CST, Don Zarling via groups.io <drzarling@...> wrote:
On another forum (Home shop machinist) it was suggested that "caster bearings" may work for the countershaft. On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 07:39:12 AM CST, hedgesben via groups.io <hedgesben@...> wrote:
hi all, does anyone know or have any info about the countershaft bearings like size/make/number.? I cant seem to find them in the uk at all.?
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Re: countershaft bearings
Are you talking about the roller bearings that are by the two grease cups? If so, when I rebuilt my Atlas I found out to my surprise that they are the same bearings that the Ford model T used in the transmission.?
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They still sell them…see Lang's Old Car Parts at:
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Hehe, the grass is always greener. ? I would love to raid the UK of a Super 7. ?As soon as the lottery hits I am doing it?
We should arrange an exchange program
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? @Bill in OKC too.... my friend is a model engineer and through him i know of a couple of others but its a dying art? mainly because here is no engineering in the uk anymore.? In fact everyone is getting sick of me saying that if i win the lottery ill visit the states and raid all the garage and estate sales
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Ken H
Jim F
Bill in OKC too