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Re: Michael Bishop's Artwork/Packaging Folder
In a message dated 3/9/11 5:38:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
rf@... writes: A few years back I started a couple of pages related to the A1G BuildingHi Ross, I have had your pages bookmarked since you put them out there but I'm sure there may be others who didn't know about them so thanks for the reminder. I only want to put images in the photo area that aren't out there yet like pictures of building and structure packaging, etc. Like what Michael is doing. I think it's a great idea to put these images online both for history and for the use of collectors. Doug |
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Michael Bishop's Artwork/Packaging Folder
In case others may not have seen it yet, Michael Bishop has started a
folder in the photo section showing A1G artwork/packaging and it looks terrific! Michael, is it your goal to have as many examples in there as possible? If so, I have a number of items I could contribute. I could start with the streetlights and bridges I have in their packages, and then I could fill in with items you may not have. Doug |
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Re: Atlas bridges
In a message dated 3/9/11 9:46:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, goldrod_1@...
writes: What year did Atlas bring out their three snap track bridges? And in theWell, going by advertising, the three bridges were released sometime between September of 1971 and April of 1972. I can't narrow it down any closer because I am missing the MR issues between those dates. The AHC ad in the April, 1972 issue shows them. #2546 Warren Truss Bridge #2547 Deck Bridge #2548 Plate Girder Bridge I still have unopened blister packs of the Warren truss bridge and plate girder bridge I never used in layouts. The Atlas street lights were there pretty much right off the bat in 1967. I have examples of 3 out of the four. I don't have any boulevard lights. They originally listed five different types but only four ended up being available. The oil lights were never made. #2951 Boulevard Lamps #2952 Gooseneck Lamps #2953 Highway Lamps #2954 Telephone Pole Lamps Doug |
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Re: A1G Unique Track Pieces
MIKE
Back in the early 70's I had one double slip on my layout and on a friends layout he had several of the double slips and one of the three-way switches. As for problems, the points on any Atlas switch needed some fine tuning and make sure that the wheels where in gauge. It was smooth railroading after that, some locomotives that had poor pickup or a small wheel base would stall on the frogs while traveling at a slow speed (you would have to leave the yard like Burt Lancaster in the "The Train"). Other than a switch solinod that burned, there were not that many problems.
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Michael Bishop --- In a1g@..., "douggosha" <dgosha@...> wrote:
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A1G Unique Track Pieces
I think we have discussed this before but I thought I would ask if anybody else remembers the two unique track elements from the first generation of track products again.
The three-way switch and double slip switch. I never had any of them due to the exhorbitant cost ($8.95!) at the time in relation to my income but my old friend Emmett (RIP, he was about the age I am now when I first knew him) had one of each on his large layout (actually, I think he may have had two three-ways but I'm not sure). On the Atlas forum, there is an ongoing thread entitled "Who Are You?" and on page 12 of that thread there is a picture of me in 1974 (try not to laugh) operating Emmett's layout. There is a three way switch right in the foreground next to the spool of brown wire. The double slip was right in front of where I was standing and can't be seen in the photograph. I remember Emmett had HO previously and didn't really like doing the close work on N scale track at the time and so I would do it for him. I filed the points on these so the cars wouldn't pick the points but I think that's about all the tweaking they needed. They had two switch machines each and, on the three-way, each machine operated one of the points and, depending on the combination of how they were thrown, the route was set for one of the three ways. This was unlike most HO three-ways where there were two separate sets of points. The two machines on the double slip operated the pieces in the center of the switch and, again, the combination of movements of them controlled by the machines determined which route was set. These switches were based on the number 6 regular switches with the three-way being like two #6s laid over one another and the double slip like four. They were made in Italy by Cassadio just like the other original switches and rerailer. I don't remember either of these being particularly troublesome but, then again, I was very young at the time. \:^) Doug |
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Re: 2304 Variations
umtrr
The images are available now... actually, they've been available for a couple of days since I approved them.
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Following the usual Murphy's Law, this venue was very quiet until I went away on business with very little access to e-mail! I apologize for the moderation delays. Messages are now unmoderated again except for new members, so post away! (And you KNOW this means we'll get quiet again!) I'll try to make mention of the 2304 variations on the appropriate A1G page on the website, but it could still be a while. Doug's right, I'm very busy right now with non-train things. Cheers, George A1G list-owner --- In a1g@..., "douggosha" <dgosha@...> wrote:
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2304 Variations
Hi, everybody,
As a result of looking at my examples of this car because of a thread on the Atlas forum, I discovered two obvious variations. Actually, I have known about one of them (black ends on some) for a long time but put off writing anything about it so I include it now. I hope the scans show up soon in the miscelaneous folder of the photo section. I know images have to be approved now and George has been busy. Doug |
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Re: Atlas Models - structures
In a message dated 3/4/11 12:38:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, goldrod_1@...
writes: I think that Altas offered kits that for the most part could pass asI agree with Michael. Even though the structures were undoubtedly based on European prototypes, their appearance made plausible American styles. The three house kits (2817, 2818, and 2819) are particular examples of this. They look just like suburban houses in the US. I also bought almost all of them (no tunnel portals or viaducts, I did get the trees \:^) and they really didn't seem out of place on my layouts. Only examining them closely would reveal their heritage (window styles, roof material). There were some structures by other importers that were more overtly European but even they could be altered to make them more American. Besides, if you get into certain parts of this country (actually almost all of this country), you can find examples of European style architecture still in existance many. many years after their construction. Doug |
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Re: Atlas Models - structures
michael bishop
I think that Altas offered kits that for the most part could pass as American style. I used all three of the stations and felt that they passed?with a?"Santa Fe" feel to them. The? modern church was somewhat like the church I went to, (as a kid at the time). ?The tunnel portals and trees were the only kits I did not use.
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? Michael Bishop --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Rick Will <guitarrick_c1812@...> wrote:
From: Rick Will <guitarrick_c1812@...> Subject: Re: [a1g] Re: Atlas Models - structures To: a1g@... Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 9:33 AM ? Not that far off as you might think....Pola was based in Europe as well as Vollmer & Heljan. And Model Power redistributed many of the Pola kits under their name. ________________________________ From: Mark <williamsonwv@...> To: a1g@... Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:58:33 PM Subject: [a1g] Re: Atlas Models - structures I always had the feeling these structures were based on European prototypes - am I off base thinking that? Mark |
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Re: Atlas Models - structures
Not that far off as you might think....Pola was based in Europe as well as
Vollmer & Heljan. And Model Power redistributed many of the Pola kits under their name. ________________________________ From: Mark <williamsonwv@...> To: a1g@... Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 9:58:33 PM Subject: [a1g] Re: Atlas Models - structures I always had the feeling these structures were based on European prototypes - am I off base thinking that? Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: Atlas Models - structures
Not all; the roofs are one dead give away, plus the fact they were made (in most cases if I recall) by european companies fro thier own markets, and packaged as "Atlas" for us...
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Some very unusual designs to be sure! -- Dennis C. Kamper dckuk@... ---- Mark <williamsonwv@...> wrote: I always had the feeling these structures were based on European prototypes - am I off base thinking that? |
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Re: Atlas Models - structures
In a message dated 3/3/11 1:19:52 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
williamsonwv@... writes: I always had the feeling these structures were based on EuropeanNot off base at all. Almost all of the structures from all importers in the early days of N were based on European prototypes because that's from where they all came. I believe it was Con-Cor that released some of the first American style buildings with the furniture factory, train station, and plumbing warehouse. Heljan manufactured those and it was still early on in N scale history. I know the station is still available. Doug |
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Re: Atlas Models [was Why pictures Mike?]
My impression on the railroad machine shop was the hoist at the front suspended
the freight car so the truck could be removed and rolled inside to be serviced but that building could possibly be used in a number of ways.....Though I do remember some early N scale kits that had doors & windows so large they looked to have been dumped down from HO. The fun of the early beginnings of N scale ( -: ________________________________ From: "dgosha@..." <dgosha@...> To: a1g@... Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 12:03:06 PM Subject: Re: [a1g] Re: Atlas Models [was Why pictures Mike?] Related to this, I saw a little discussion on the Model Railroader forum occuring a while back about the original Atlas structures and more specifically about the Machine Shop. The guy thought they were Z scale (which hadn't debuted yet at the time of these structures' release) or something other than N because the doors on the machine shop were so small as to not allow an N scale boxcar to enter the building. He didn't stop to think that those doors wouldn't necessarily be for a rail car. They are there for, say, some kind of cart or trailer with supplies on it for the shop to be removed by the little gantry crane in front of the shop. Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: Atlas Models [was Why pictures Mike?]
In a message dated 3/2/11 9:26:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!, goldrod_1@...
writes: Is the machine shop still available from one of the other companies? WithSee, now that makes just as much sense as my idea. Tracks in place to roll a truck into the building for repair. I know I saw one in a hobby shop in Chicago not too long ago. I think it was in a Model Power box. I almost bought it. I still have my original Atlas one. BTW, I made a mistake in my earlier post. It was Faller that was the other manufacturer of the early Atlas kits besides Pola, not Vollmer. I believe they just made the footbridge and the gantry crane. Doug |
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