I believe the place in NYC you are referring to was Madison Hardware. I have vague recollections of being there once and remember the shelves extended so high that the clerks needed ladders to reach a lot of them.
On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT), "igoldberg1" <igoldberg1@...> wrote:
AHC was down on East 23rd Street.? They are also long out of business.
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On 08/18/2020 12:07 PM Douglas Gosha via groups.io <dgosha@...> wrote:
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Don't you mean America's Hobby Center? AHC? They were the ones who had multiple-page ads in MR and RMC.
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In a message dated 8/18/2020 7:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:
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I grew up in NY and remember that big hobby store.? It was on 5th Avenue and 32nd St.? Can't remember thername at the moment.? Tehy were based out of Newark NJ.? When I remember the name I will post it.
??? Ira
On 08/18/2020 12:24 AM MIKE via groups.io <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
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They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
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Michael
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On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
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Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
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Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
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While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
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I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
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Michael Bishop
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On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote: ?
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One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
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Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
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Manhattan Hobby Shops (was Expanded Subjects)
It's hard to believe how many model railroad were in once in Manhattan.? I have been reading chronologically through the Model Railroader DVD and the "Directory of Approved Model Dealers" was pretty extensive!
I'll stick to the ones I've personally visited, though.
First, the one on 5th and 32nd that you're thinking of is Polk's Model Craft Hobbies.? They not only had that flagship store but several branches including one in the Woodbridge Center mall in New Jersey.? They were multi-floor; you'd ride an elevator to the correct stop for your particular hobby.
Second, America's Hobby Center was on 146 West 22nd Street, which was between 7th and 8th Avenue.? In theory you could visit, but it was so oriented to mail order that getting personal service there was... well, let's just say it was easier to mail order.
I can't leave out Madison Hardware, 105 East 23rd Street, actually on the corner of Park Avenue South, not Madison.? They were far, far better known for their extensive stock of Lionel but carried N Scale also.?
And then of course there is the trifecta that once existed between 5th and 6th Avenues on West 45th Street.? (No, it's NOT "Avenue of the Americas," only tourists call 6th Avenue that!)? The longest running shop was the Model Railroad Equipment Corporation, proprietress of which was one Carmen Webster.? It was so unusual to have a woman running a train shop that she appeared on "To Tell The Truth"!? That's the one that was down the basement at 23 West 45th.? Also on that block was The Red Caboose and a third store which I remember being called The Roundhouse but may have had several incarnations.? The Red Caboose still survives as far as I know, having moved from its location across from Model Railroad Equipment into that space.
Ah, memories... including of $1.50 A1G cars...
Cheers,
George (your list-owner)
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I guess I could have looked up the AHC address. I still have boxes from when I ordered stuff from them in the sixties.
Doug
In a message dated 8/18/2020 11:12:14 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:
AHC was down on East 23rd Street.? They are also long out of business.
???? Ira
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On 08/18/2020 12:07 PM Douglas Gosha via groups.io <dgosha@...> wrote:
Don't you mean America's Hobby Center? AHC? They were the ones who had multiple-page ads in MR and RMC.
Doug
In a message dated 8/18/2020 7:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:
I grew up in NY and remember that big hobby store.? It was on 5th Avenue and 32nd St.? Can't remember thername at the moment.? Tehy were based out of Newark NJ.? When I remember the name I will post it.
??? Ira
On 08/18/2020 12:24 AM MIKE via groups.io <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
Michael
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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AHC was down on East 23rd Street.? They are also long out of business.
???? Ira
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On 08/18/2020 12:07 PM Douglas Gosha via groups.io <dgosha@...> wrote:
Don't you mean America's Hobby Center? AHC? They were the ones who had multiple-page ads in MR and RMC.
Doug
In a message dated 8/18/2020 7:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:
I grew up in NY and remember that big hobby store.? It was on 5th Avenue and 32nd St.? Can't remember thername at the moment.? Tehy were based out of Newark NJ.? When I remember the name I will post it.
??? Ira
On 08/18/2020 12:24 AM MIKE via groups.io <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
Michael
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia <
learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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Don't you mean America's Hobby Center? AHC? They were the ones who had multiple-page ads in MR and RMC.
Doug
In a message dated 8/18/2020 7:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:
I grew up in NY and remember that big hobby store.? It was on 5th Avenue and 32nd St.? Can't remember thername at the moment.? Tehy were based out of Newark NJ.? When I remember the name I will post it.
??? Ira
On 08/18/2020 12:24 AM MIKE via groups.io <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
Michael
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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On Aug 18, 2020, at 8:44 AM, igoldberg1 <igoldberg1@...> wrote:
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I grew up in NY and remember that big hobby store.? It was on 5th Avenue and 32nd St.? Can't remember thername at the moment.? Tehy were based out of Newark NJ.? When I remember the name I will post it.
??? Ira
On 08/18/2020 12:24 AM MIKE via groups.io <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
Michael?
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia <
learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian?
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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I grew up in NY and remember that big hobby store.? It was on 5th Avenue and 32nd St.? Can't remember thername at the moment.? Tehy were based out of Newark NJ.? When I remember the name I will post it.
??? Ira
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On 08/18/2020 12:24 AM MIKE via groups.io <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
Michael?
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia <
learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian?
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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They used the same scheme on many of the other car also. Atlas 2 bay hoppers/AHM 4 bay hoppers and Atlas covered hoppers/AHM covered hoppers. In those year years Atlas cars were easy to find at the local hobby shops, AHM was another story. Usually had to mail order the AHM cars from the east coast (being on the west coast it took forever). There was a large hobby shop in NYC, they ran 4 page ads in MR and MRC that seemed to have AHM and Bachmann n gauge items. Sometimes the J.J. Newberry's store would have a bin full of cars in toy section before Christmas. At a dollar a car, a guy fill up that new yard in no time.
Michael?
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 01:44:06 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian? Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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Ahh.. On that note, I have come to realize there are reused schemes between the Atlas 40' Boxcar and the AHM Combo door Boxcar..?
Also found that the first Model Power Cupola Caboose was the Roco A1G cupola caboose with some duplicated schemes (PRR.. Atlas Brown, Model Power Red)
While the AHM Cupola caboose also had 2 body styles (neither one the 6 window Roco)? but had paint schemes duplicated across both body styles. (At least New Haven)
I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia < learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian? Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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I will share all of my AHM data and photos. The cars were made by Roco at the same time they were making car for Atlas.
Michael Bishop
On Monday, August 17, 2020, 12:57:55 PM PDT, learmoia <learmoia@...> wrote:
One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian?
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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One thing that may expand conversation is to expand into N scale history (pre 1980?) vs focusing on Atlas 1st Generation..
~Ian?
Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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Has anyone produced a list ofthe protypes if any for all of the A1G cars?
???? Ira
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Guys
Even though I've all but dropped out of trains/ railroading now, and considering I shoud recoup lost $$$ by selling off chunks of 'the collection' and pay off the darn cc... I still enjoy a good chat over train issues.
That thing has come back here (NZ), so we (In Auckland) are locked down again- no biggy when one is already, ahem, limited... a few pix to show off Summery days- . Be warned tho, today was only 2? overnight ;-/
Cheers to george and the gang,
davew
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Re: Prototype Photo of Jack Frost Covered Hopper
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 01:25 PM, MIKE wrote:
The following attachment is an old Timken ad from the 1950's almost look like it could have been an Atlas Ad.
Well they no doubt ripped off somebodies 'model art' works ... d
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Re: Prototype Photo of Jack Frost Covered Hopper
The following attachment is an old Timken ad from the 1950's almost look like it could have been an Atlas Ad.
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Re: Prototype Photo of Jack Frost Covered Hopper
George,? ? ? ? We sure grew up during a time where advertising a business was still a thing.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Rick
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Prototype Photo of Jack Frost Covered Hopper
Gang,
While researching "other stuff" on the site RailcarPhotos.com, I came across an image of the Jack Frost Cane Sugar covered hopper which was an A1G release (and updated later by Atlas).?
You may need to log in or create an account to view this in full.
This photo is of NSRX 308, just three numbers off the 305 which was selected as the A1G car.?? The prototype series was numbered 300 to 339.
Cheers,
George
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Barriger Collection: Helium Tank Car Photos
Over on Flickr there are a series of photos of helium tank cars built by American Car and Foundry.? Here's the first of that series:
Click the right arrow to the right of the image to see more photos, including some construction (!) photos.
This may not be the exact prototype as the A1G car (3030 series) -- there were multiple "versions" of the real thing -- but it's pretty close.?
Cheers,
George (your list-owner)
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The following E-Bay seller has seven Atlas car kits for sale. They look to be unbuilt and in very good condition. I have no connection with this sale, just passing the find along to the group.
Michael Bishop
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Re: A1G Vinegar/Water Tank Car
Mike asked, "Were you able to put a manu date on the #3011 Vinegar car?"
I don't think we can do better than a range on the manufacture of any of the A1G line.? We can usually get close on when a specific body style was introduced, based on the first time it was advertised and/or mentioned in a model railroad magazine or other source.? I don't know this for the vinegar/water tank car though.? As I get to the Model Railroaders of the late 1960s there will be Atlas N Gauge advertising and likely product reviews as well.?? I'm now up to September 1956 so only about ten years to go!
If only I weren't distracted by (a) the day job and (b) the unearthing of my hard copy stash of Railroad Modeler magazine, which started in 1972.
Cheers,
George
P.S.? Liked the photos also.
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