Re: Fixing a C-Liner (was 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car)

Hi George,

Were you able to put a manu date on the #3011 Vinegar car?

did you like my pictures?

Mike

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:39 AM G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:

Mike asked,

A1G FM CPA 24-5 Loco Pennsy. (needs new motor - any suggestions)

Your list-owner replies...

I don't mean to be cheeky here but perhaps the best option if you want the original motor is to find another copy of the loco.? There was a seller on eBay once, I believe his handle was "Bob11156" or something like that, who must have bought the entire remnants of the Rivarossi factory!? He was putting up lots of dozens of "doesn't work" A1G locos.? He probably sold thousands of them over the course of several years.? I dimly recall that he sold pieces, parts and wholes at train shows as well before going to eBay.?? These days I hardly see any A1G parts.? The eBay seller "soo-much-stuff" has a lot of Atlas parts but nothing that old.

I believe it's possible to remotor these units with something far better than the original-- perhaps Doug Gosha will along to comment on this point.??

Cheers,
George

Re: Fixing a C-Liner (was 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car)

#1160

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About a decade ago I remember reading an article about rebuilding the original motor using the armature from a Bachmann HO scale slot car. The article said that they’d used that same armature in some of their early N scale trains but I can’t remember which ones. I had a printout of it for the longest time as I have a trio of unpowered/undecorated C-Liners and thought to one day do them up as CN CPA 16-5s, but that project was shelved when I thought TrueLineTrains was going to ship their version and discarded the article. I think it might have come from the web, but it was a poor copy and the pictures weren’t very legible. I think I may still have the c-liners though.

Cheers,

Martin?

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On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:39 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:

?Mike asked,

A1G FM CPA 24-5 Loco Pennsy. (needs new motor - any suggestions)

Your list-owner replies...

I don't mean to be cheeky here but perhaps the best option if you want the original motor is to find another copy of the loco.? There was a seller on eBay once, I believe his handle was "Bob11156" or something like that, who must have bought the entire remnants of the Rivarossi factory!? He was putting up lots of dozens of "doesn't work" A1G locos.? He probably sold thousands of them over the course of several years.? I dimly recall that he sold pieces, parts and wholes at train shows as well before going to eBay.?? These days I hardly see any A1G parts.? The eBay seller "soo-much-stuff" has a lot of Atlas parts but nothing that old.

I believe it's possible to remotor these units with something far better than the original-- perhaps Doug Gosha will along to comment on this point.??

Cheers,
George

Re: Fixing a C-Liner (was 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car)

#1159

Mike asked,

A1G FM CPA 24-5 Loco Pennsy. (needs new motor - any suggestions)

Your list-owner replies...

I don't mean to be cheeky here but perhaps the best option if you want the original motor is to find another copy of the loco.? There was a seller on eBay once, I believe his handle was "Bob11156" or something like that, who must have bought the entire remnants of the Rivarossi factory!? He was putting up lots of dozens of "doesn't work" A1G locos.? He probably sold thousands of them over the course of several years.? I dimly recall that he sold pieces, parts and wholes at train shows as well before going to eBay.?? These days I hardly see any A1G parts.? The eBay seller "soo-much-stuff" has a lot of Atlas parts but nothing that old.

I believe it's possible to remotor these units with something far better than the original-- perhaps Doug Gosha will along to comment on this point.??

Cheers,
George

Hobbies vs. Real Life (was 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car)

#1158

Dave W. wrote...
I love the fact that my real life 'skills' of snooping, analysis and cross referencing help my hobby immensely.
While working @ Helpdesk way back 20+ I was able to indulge in several years of research into 'which road' I'd like to model and research in detail. By 2002 I was riding the CZ through to Denver...

Your list-owner responds...

I've gone the other way... my snooping, analysis and cross-referencing, learned in my high school "Research Techniques" class back in the Previous Century, is of course useful for Model Railroading Topics but it has really informed my work skills as well.? I still find that the hobby work reinforces my day job, and vice versa.

Cheers,
George

Re: 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car

#1157

Here is a pic of a Vinegar Tank Car? - Atlas (made in Austria) #3011 Wooden Tank Car (sans couplers w/- new trucks and metal wheels)

Was Milwaukee road name #MVX #10. ?what date was this?

I mutilated the name Mil-WA-ukee to fit my layout then to "WA", not "Washington State" but "Western Australia" (sacrilege)

Also pics of A1G FM CPA 24-5 Loco Pennsy. (needs new motor - any suggestions)

Also pics of earliest types of n scale (n gauge) , all metal, made in England?000 called "Lone Star",? box cars (minus roofs - converted to open hoppers) and Shell tank cars (all showing signs of wear and tear)

Regards?to all,

Mike

WA

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Re: 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car

dave w

#1156

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 07:48 AM, G.J. Irwin wrote:

We're getting closer to the introduction of N Scale, and then A1G.? But still not there yet.

[sarc] Beats real work huh?
Or___ some hobbies are just so damn time consuming.... !
[/sarc]
I love the fact that my real life 'skills' of snooping, analysis and cross referencing help my hobby immensely.
While working @ Helpdesk way back 20+ I was able to indulge in several years of research into 'which road' I'd like to model and research in detail. By 2002 I was riding the CZ through to Denver...
;-0
cheers d

Re: 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car

#1155

Yes, it was an HO model discussed in the March 1955 Model Railroader.

I'm up to September 1956 now, and there have been several mentions of "HHO" or "Half HO" Gauge in that year's issues so far.? There was also mention of a book "Modeling in OOO Gauge" in the May 1956 MR.?

We're getting closer to the introduction of N Scale, and then A1G.? But still not there yet.

Cheers,
George

Re: 'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car

dave w

#1154

Hi George

Just to prove there's life going on... I reply.
I presume the 'Dollar-car' was for an HO effort?
I'm not sure I've ever seen one of these N-Scale cars down here in the boonies, in the 70's when I first got interested, or now when 'collecting'.
Keep them borders closed boys,
regards davew

'Dollar Tank Car' = A1G Vinegar Tank Car

#1153

Hi all, hope everyone is doing OK and staying safe during this uncertain time.? I work at home in my day job anyway, so that part of life has not been that much of a change.

Anyway, the March 1955 issue of Model Railroader, which I am up to in my perusal of the MR DVD, has an article titled "Wood Tank Car."? It is one of a series of "Dollar Models" that appeared in MR at the time.? This car is the prototype for the A1G 3010 series "Water Tank Car" / "Vinegar Tank Car" which was later reissued by Atlas and subsequently by E-R Models as well.? That's all on the A1G page for the 3010s.

The prototype is lettered for Hinkley and Schmidt, "The Water Co."? The caption for the accompanying photo, HSTX 1004, indicates that it was used at the time to ship water from White Rock in Waukesha, Wisconsin down to Chicago.?? The real car is more like a big barrel on its side in a cradle.? There are open spaces in the cradle between the wood supports.? The model has this all closed off.? The lettering is the same as on the prototype car except for the road number.

Now to update the A1G page...

Cheers,
George (your list-owner)

Hey hey its 2020....

dave w

#1152

George and co,

I note that A1G dropped off my 'Feed' because theres been no posts in 3 months!
Gotta fix this.
To go on topic, I finished (i think) doing touch up repaint to that used PRR post/ baggage car i bought some time back. (Neat Polly-S Tuscan is perfect- applied with a brush and nearly invisible (I hope)).
/g/a1g/photo/49268/0?p=Taken,,,50,2,0,0

Will drop a new one after waking you guys up...
all the best,
dave

Re: Looks like we made the right decision...

dave w

#1151

Never doubted your wisdom for a moment George.
Though the current uninformed frenzy that they are "shutting down" is just batshit crazy.

As announced, they are stopping hosting of new material, and deleting everything existing- messages and 'email' are unaffected. Yes, I know, until....
regards davew

Looks like we made the right decision...

#1150

From Yahoo:? "Yahoo has made the decision to no longer allow users to upload content to the Yahoo Groups site. Beginning October 28, you won't be able to upload any more content to the site, and as of December 14 all previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed. You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded."

So I'm pleased that we made the decision to move over here from Yahoo.? I'm posting this should there be other YahooGroups to which you belong that may be impacted.

What movie was it where people got over the bridge just before it exploded?? (Lots of them, I think.)

Cheers,
George, your list owner

P.S. This is why I have my own website...

Re: Well, someone's paying attention...

#1149

I've noticed this a lot recently, uninformed sellers Google N scale car, see the price of a Rapido or Trainworx car, and assume an older car is worth more because it's old. A good example is passenger cars, I was looking at some used Concor Liberty Bell cars on eBay that are up for $30,?I paid $15?each for new in box unassembled kits only a few weeks ago (and they had $8?price tags on them).?

Cheers,

Martin

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On Sat., Sep. 28, 2019, 8:37 a.m. G.J. Irwin, <groups@...> wrote:

No... I don't think the asking price is realistic.? This seller has other more common A1G cars at similar price points.

--George

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:50:13 +0000 (UTC), "guitarrick_c1812 via Groups.Io" <guitarrick_c1812=[email protected]> wrote:

Hummmm,
? ? ?Does this mean will see a increase of the price of the A1G car s going up too ? ?
?
?
?

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:39 AM, Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io

<dgosha=[email protected]> wrote:

Yay for us!

?

Thanks George. I couldn't remember if I had both an a and b so I went down and checked my accumulation and yup, both versions are there,

?

Doug

?

In a message dated 9/26/2019 3:30:14 PM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:
?

Browsing through that Well-Known Internet Auction Community, I came across this listing:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-N-Scale-2288b-T-P-W-New-in-Jewel-Case/222949455086?hash=item33e8d2b4ee:g:TTcAAOSwQFNa4j3Z

I find it rather gratifying that the seller (with whom I am not affiliated) listed the car as "2288b" - as in, our A1G designation.??? Maybe people are noticing...

Cheers,
George
your list-owner

Re: Well, someone's paying attention...

#1148

No... I don't think the asking price is realistic.? This seller has other more common A1G cars at similar price points.

--George

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:50:13 +0000 (UTC), "guitarrick_c1812 via Groups.Io" <guitarrick_c1812@...> wrote:

Hummmm,

? ? ?Does this mean will see a increase of the price of the A1G car s going up too ? ?
?

?

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:39 AM, Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io

<dgosha@...> wrote:

Yay for us!

?

Thanks George. I couldn't remember if I had both an a and b so I went down and checked my accumulation and yup, both versions are there,

?

Doug

?

In a message dated 9/26/2019 3:30:14 PM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:
?

Browsing through that Well-Known Internet Auction Community, I came across this listing:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-N-Scale-2288b-T-P-W-New-in-Jewel-Case/222949455086?hash=item33e8d2b4ee:g:TTcAAOSwQFNa4j3Z

I find it rather gratifying that the seller (with whom I am not affiliated) listed the car as "2288b" - as in, our A1G designation.??? Maybe people are noticing...

Cheers,
George
your list-owner

Re: Well, someone's paying attention...

#1147

Hummmm,

? ? ?Does this mean will see a increase of the price of the A1G car s going up too ? ?

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:39 AM, Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io
<dgosha@...> wrote:

Yay for us!

Thanks George. I couldn't remember if I had both an a and b so I went down and checked my accumulation and yup, both versions are there,

Doug

In a message dated 9/26/2019 3:30:14 PM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:

Browsing through that Well-Known Internet Auction Community, I came across this listing:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-N-Scale-2288b-T-P-W-New-in-Jewel-Case/222949455086?hash=item33e8d2b4ee:g:TTcAAOSwQFNa4j3Z

I find it rather gratifying that the seller (with whom I am not affiliated) listed the car as "2288b" - as in, our A1G designation.??? Maybe people are noticing...

Cheers,
George
your list-owner

Re: Well, someone's paying attention...

#1146

Yay for us!

Thanks George. I couldn't remember if I had both an a and b so I went down and checked my accumulation and yup, both versions are there,

Doug

In a message dated 9/26/2019 3:30:14 PM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:

Browsing through that Well-Known Internet Auction Community, I came across this listing:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-N-Scale-2288b-T-P-W-New-in-Jewel-Case/222949455086?hash=item33e8d2b4ee:g:TTcAAOSwQFNa4j3Z

I find it rather gratifying that the seller (with whom I am not affiliated) listed the car as "2288b" - as in, our A1G designation.??? Maybe people are noticing...

Cheers,
George
your list-owner

Well, someone's paying attention...

#1145

Browsing through that Well-Known Internet Auction Community, I came across this listing:

I find it rather gratifying that the seller (with whom I am not affiliated) listed the car as "2288b" - as in, our A1G designation.??? Maybe people are noticing...

Cheers,
George
your list-owner

Re: Updating Atlas Wikipedia Page with A1G-any volunteers

igoldberg1

#1144

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Thanks Doug:

??? Ira

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On September 22, 2019 at 7:57 PM "Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io" <dgosha@...> wrote:

Hi Ira,

It was 1967 when Atlas started selling N scale, called N Gauge back then.

Doug

In a message dated 9/22/2019 11:36:33 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:

George:
? I can do that.? Was'nt it about 1965 that Atlas produced their the first N scale cars?
?
????? Ira
On September 22, 2019 at 12:30 PM "G.J. Irwin" <groups@...> wrote:

Hey gang,

I wandered over to the Wikipedia page for Atlas...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Model_Railroad

...and believe it or not, there is not a single mention of their N Scale Rolling Stock, starting of course with A1G in the late 1960s.? (I don't have a precise date.)

I have a Wikipedia editing login that I rarely used.? I would have updated the page myself, citing the A1G site as a source... but Wikipedia does not allow you to cite yourself as a source.? (Gee, I wonder why...)

If someone would like to volunteer add a few lines about how Atlas started with A1G, moved the production to the USA and then to China, I think that would be a start.? Who knows, maybe we'll get a little more traffic out of it.

Cheers,
George
your group owner

Re: Updating Atlas Wikipedia Page with A1G-any volunteers

#1143

Hi Ira,

It was 1967 when Atlas started selling N scale, called N Gauge back then.

Doug

In a message dated 9/22/2019 11:36:33 AM Central Standard Time, igoldberg1@... writes:

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George:

? I can do that.? Was'nt it about 1965 that Atlas produced their the first N scale cars?

?

????? Ira

On September 22, 2019 at 12:30 PM "G.J. Irwin" <groups@...> wrote:

Hey gang,

I wandered over to the Wikipedia page for Atlas...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Model_Railroad

...and believe it or not, there is not a single mention of their N Scale Rolling Stock, starting of course with A1G in the late 1960s.? (I don't have a precise date.)

I have a Wikipedia editing login that I rarely used.? I would have updated the page myself, citing the A1G site as a source... but Wikipedia does not allow you to cite yourself as a source.? (Gee, I wonder why...)

If someone would like to volunteer add a few lines about how Atlas started with A1G, moved the production to the USA and then to China, I think that would be a start.? Who knows, maybe we'll get a little more traffic out of it.

Cheers,
George
your group owner

Re: Updating Atlas Wikipedia Page with A1G-any volunteers

igoldberg1

#1142

开云体育

George:

? I can do that.? Was'nt it about 1965 that Atlas produced their the first N scale cars?

????? Ira

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On September 22, 2019 at 12:30 PM "G.J. Irwin" <groups@...> wrote:

Hey gang,

I wandered over to the Wikipedia page for Atlas...

...and believe it or not, there is not a single mention of their N Scale Rolling Stock, starting of course with A1G in the late 1960s.? (I don't have a precise date.)

I have a Wikipedia editing login that I rarely used.? I would have updated the page myself, citing the A1G site as a source... but Wikipedia does not allow you to cite yourself as a source.? (Gee, I wonder why...)

If someone would like to volunteer add a few lines about how Atlas started with A1G, moved the production to the USA and then to China, I think that would be a start.? Who knows, maybe we'll get a little more traffic out of it.

Cheers,
George
your group owner